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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 22 @ 10:16 AM ET
Not true at all. Giroux is the best player on the Flyers, and is the player that the Organization is building it's future around. That's what makes him a franchise player.

The proper context of comparison, as it relates to the Selke award discussion, would be who's the best player in the League. And in that context, Giroux is not equal to Crosby. Although Giroux would likely make the list, if there was a vote.

In order to win the Selke trophy, you have to be considered the best under the parameters of the award. And although Kopitar is certainly among the upper echelon as a defensive forward. In my opinion he is not on the level of Bergeron and Toews.

- MJL


You said that the Kings don't have a Selke level forward. Is Kopitar not capable of being nominated for a Selke trophy in the future?

Yes, Bergeron is the best defensive forward in the league, with Toews, Datsyuk and Backes not far behind. But there are other who are capable of being nominated for the award in the future. Those would be Selke level forwards. And Anze Kopitar, a member of the LA Kings, is one of them.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 10:36 AM ET
to be fair, you said the kings dont have a selke level player on their team.

who are the selke level players - only bergeron and toews?

- Crimsoninja



I can see why that may be misleading. In the context I was using it, it's the players who are the best and have the realistic chance of winning the award. Just getting a few votes from the Media doesn't make you a Selke player. Winning it does. That's how I was viewing it. A better way of saying it would have been to compare LA's forwards to Bergeron and Toews specifically.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 22 @ 10:38 AM ET


good god
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 22 @ 10:38 AM ET
You said that the Kings don't have a Selke level forward. Is Kopitar not capable of being nominated for a Selke trophy in the future?

Yes, Bergeron is the best defensive forward in the league, with Toews, Datsyuk and Backes not far behind. But there are other who are capable of being nominated for the award in the future. Those would be Selke level forwards. And Anze Kopitar, a member of the LA Kings, is one of them.

- bradleyc4



I can't predict the future. Which is why I said maybe in the future. But right now, he is not on the level of Bergeron and Toews. In my opinion they are heads above everyone else. And I don't think that Kopitar is on their level. Maybe in the future.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 22 @ 10:48 AM ET
true. greater commitment could help most any team. im just saying that i think that a better puck mover than what the flyers currently have would go a longggg way towards curing ills on both sides of the puck
- stayinthefnnet


Sure, better puck movers are good to have on any team. Ideally, they could get the type of dynamic puck carrying type that deliver the puck into the offensive zone with aplomb and not merely a guy who can make a basic first pass fromt he defensive zone (we have those). Yandle would be nice.

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