It's the stupidity that unites us all
- Yeti1181

Really can't understand what's so great about Weiss.


...Could almost say the same for Stats, but he's one of those guys who could really benefit from a change of scenery, just as long as it's not Toronto

All the Grabs talk aside, I really do think that there's a chance Nonis moves Dion.

I just think that Nonis won't be afraid to really clean up what parts of BB's work that he didn't approve of.

I'd like a guy like Bieksa back there, and wouldn't mind seeing something along the lines of a Dion & Grabs(may Ashton and a 2nd too) for Bieksa and Kesler. There may still be a lot of work for Nonis to do in order to pull this off, but I think it'd be awsome.

We could also look at a guy like Hedman or Kulikov out of the two FLA teams. I'm sure Dion's wife would like life down south.

Also, would Eriksson and Robidas for Dion be appealing?
- AngryWhiteMale

Is it so widely believed that Bieksa is a better player than Phaneuf? Really?

Is it so widely believed that Bieksa is a better player than Phaneuf? Really?
- BetterCallSaul

I don't want a high-risk high-reward Dman back there in the mould of Dion, it isn't a case of who's better in an overall sense

We'll get enough of that over the coming years from Gardiner and Reilly.

What we should be looking for are the steady-headed types who are able to make more sensible plays in tense moments.

Robidas, Bieksa etc. Guys who will help provide cover for the high-risk youngsters, and perhaps make Reimer's job a little easier

All the Grabs talk aside, I really do think that there's a chance Nonis moves Dion.

I just think that Nonis won't be afraid to really clean up what parts of BB's work that he didn't approve of.

I'd like a guy like Bieksa back there, and wouldn't mind seeing something along the lines of a Dion & Grabs(maybe Ashton and a 2nd too) for Bieksa and Kesler. There may still be a lot of work for Nonis to do in order to pull this off, but I think it'd be awsome.

We could also look at a guy like Hedman or Kulikov out of the two FLA teams. I'm sure Dion's wife would like life down south.

Also, would Eriksson and Robidas for Dion be appealing?
- AngryWhiteMale

Van would not be able to take on that much salary.... we'd need somehting very different to make it happen

Is it so widely believed that Bieksa is a better player than Phaneuf? Really?
- BetterCallSaul

Bieksa is cheaper... thats about it

- The_Vark

If we want a 1st pairing D to play with Dion, it will cost at least that much.

Deep-fried onions with garlic salt.

Van would not be able to take on that much salary.... we'd need somehting very different to make it happen
- lumlums

I'm still of the opinion that the Leafs could snag Kesler for a cheap price if we agree to take Luongo and use one of our buy-outs on him.

Carlyle admitted his mistake :

"we should have kept skating".

The leafs are a speed team, and were skating circles around Boston throughout the series. When they were using their speed they couldn't handle them.

I don't think one guy (clarkson) changes the outcome of game 7. The only way to change it is continue what got them in that position in the first place. They stopped doing it, and got burned.
- burn

Let's just be clear: nothing the Leafs did or didn't do affected the outcome of game seven. Yes, they may have acted like they had it in the bag and let up a bit, but even if they tried to lose on purpose, most of the time they still would have won that game. So if you use a little logic and common sense, the reason they lost game seven was noting but terrible luck. Riemer had a .950 save percentage with ten minutes to go in the game and they scored 4 on him in 15 minutes. Total fluke.
The Leafs basically beat Boston. 3 games they lost could have gone the other way. They carried the play, won the battles and out skated them. They are the youngest team in the league and they just got a s_load of experiance. Sure the way they lost sucked, but they took a recent Championship team and one of the leagues best rosters to the very limit. An amazing year by the Leafs and 10 minutes shouldnt make people resort to panic.

If we want a 1st pairing D to play with Dion, it will cost at least that much.
- The Shrike

Its way too much... Booth will get bought out or be a salary dump... no way we give up rielly unless its as part of a deal for a franchise D, which Bieksa is not.

Van would not be able to take on that much salary.... we'd need somehting very different to make it happen
- lumlums

We'd take on Ballard and buy him out?

I'm still of the opinion that the Leafs could snag Kesler for a cheap price if we agree to take Luongo and use one of our buy-outs on him.
- BetterCallSaul

I may be wrong but I don't think that you can use a buyout on somebody that you acquire after the CBA was signed...

They stopped skating. that's what happened.
- burn

No, they were the victim of a 1 in 10, 000 chance. They were just unlucky. They won the series but got unfathomly unlucky. Skating, refs, wattle bottles on the ice, Lucic, faceoffs, whatever. The Leafs won in spite of those things then they got super unlucky. Whatever. Brian Burke should be named GM of the year.

I may be wrong but I don't think that you can use a buyout on somebody that you acquire after the CBA was signed...
- lumlums

Mother (frank)ing oiler fan calling me a troll I'm going to cyber kick his ass

I may be wrong but I don't think that you can use a buyout on somebody that you acquire after the CBA was signed...
- lumlums

Really? The NHL must hate their wealthy franchises.

Let's just be clear: nothing the Leafs did or didn't do affected the outcome of game seven. Yes, they may have acted like they had it in the bag and let up a bit, but even if they tried to lose on purpose, most of the time they still would have won that game. So if you use a little logic and common sense, the reason they lost game seven was noting but terrible luck. Riemer had a .950 save percentage with ten minutes to go in the game and they scored 4 on him in 15 minutes. Total fluke.
The Leafs basically beat Boston. 3 games they lost could have gone the other way. They carried the play, won the battles and out skated them. They are the youngest team in the league and they just got a s_load of experiance. Sure the way they lost sucked, but they took a recent Championship team and one of the leagues best rosters to the very limit. An amazing year by the Leafs and 10 minutes shouldnt make people resort to panic.
- Timmy_Bee

If Boston can overcome blowing a 3-0 series and a 3-0 game seven lead to win a cup, then it really boils down to how well they digest the loss and learn their lesson

We'd take on Ballard and buy him out?
- AngryWhiteMale

That might work with Tampa when they're in bankruptcy, not on Vancouver.

Also, taking on one year of $4M salary in Lombardi got us Franson, who, at the time, wasn't overly high value. That's really the benchmark you'd be looking at.

Its way too much... Booth will get bought out or be a salary dump... no way we give up rielly unless its as part of a deal for a franchise D, which Bieksa is not.
- lumlums

What's with the love of Bieska he garbage in my opinion nothing but a cheap shot artist.

Againo Weiss sucks.

So, in the last 3 years, how many times has he gone without a goal for 20 games? Didn't Kessel do that a couple of years ago? Should have dumped him that year, right?

I don't get why some Leaf fans are so quick to dump on players. The guy has been good for the Leafs for 2 years, he slumps for half of a shortened season, and a bunch of fools are frothing at the mouth to get rid of him, despite there not being any decent alternatives. And again, Weiss sucks. He's not a decent alternative, he's crap compared to Grabovski.

Get rid of him, and replace him (on the second line) with Boyd (frank)ing Gordon? Good lord people, pull your head out of your ass.
- Dirte

Agreed. I'm a Grabo supporter. he's had a bad half-year but goddamn who doesnt have bad stretches? Gve him a chance to redeem himself. whenever he falls he always gets back up. he fell pretty damn hard this season but nobody thinks he can get back up.
(frank) em all. he'll be great next season no matter where he plays.

Mother (frank)ing oiler fan calling me a troll I'm going to cyber kick his ass
- Yeti1181

Really? The NHL must hate their wealthy franchises.
- BetterCallSaul

I think its more stopping the richer franchises from essentially buying players/picks

That might work with Tampa when they're in bankruptcy, not on Vancouver.

Also, taking on one year of $4M salary in Lombardi got us Franson, who, at the time, wasn't overly high value. That's really the benchmark you'd be looking at.
- Dirte

Think we could take vinny out of Tampa and get a first or A prospect out of it. Kill two birds first line center And build our already stocked cupboards
Edit or a d man

Would you guys do a phaneuf for stastny swap? Just curious

I mean it's not like you guys don't have d to replace him. Plus if you guys bought out grabovski you could roll 3 solid centers in stastny Kadri and bozak. Plus have an all USA line
- NoobasaurusRex

No no no. Phaneuf is untouchable. Outside of Gardiner's potential, there is no on on the roster even in his league. The Leafs have one of the best forward groups in hockey and if they only had an NHL defense corps, they would one of the best 5 teams in the NHL. Lets face it, if Frasor has to play more than 12 minutes, he is terrible. Gunnerson is good, but not as your number 2. Franson makes a great nunber 5 but sucks if you have to play him too much. In fact, a third pairing of Frasor and Franson is great, Dion is number 1. So what you need is top pairing guy to play with Phaneuf and you need to replace Gunnerson - even though i like him - with someone with grit to pair with Gardner. A centre? not a concern. Grabbo is highly paid, but hes a great grinder and i'd hate to lose him. If we arent in cap trouble then our 3 centres are actually a strenght, especially with Colborne pushing everyone. FACE IT BOZAK IS A NUMBER ONE CENTRE.

- lumlums

I'm actually nice in there because they get trolled so much

Think we could take vinny out of Tampa and get a first or A prospect out of it. Kill two birds first line center And build our already stocked cupboards
- Yeti1181

nope. They still like Vinny down there, and I don't think they'd even entertain the idea of trading him.