Carter was the whole reason they won the cup had zero to do with jonathan quick playing out of his mind
- hubie

So again go back through everythign I said, and find out where I said those words. I said the two players Philly traded away now have cups they won together, but were not good enough to do so in Philly.

and Brown and Kopitar and Doughty

Long live Carter! The cup Champion!
- toddkac

To be fair Carter led the team in goals during the cup finals. They might not win it without him. Like I said the only team that lost out was Colombus

It is a fair point. They are critical pieces to that LA team. They are part of the new leadership group that helped LA get the cup, and are currently fighting for a second.

How can the trade work better for Philly when what the have is so unproven at this point. They missed the playoffs with all that "Superior" talent that they got for Richards and Carter.
- ImThatGuy

so if vanek goes to, say, new jersey and buffalo gets back whoever their best prospect is, a roster player, and a first round pick

new jersey wins the cup next year

you say buffalo SERIOUSLY lost the trade because vanek won the cup?

and Brown and Kopitar and Doughty

Long live Carter! The cup Champion!
- toddkac

Psst. Go lookup who lead the Kings in goals in the cup finals. . .

Edit: Late.

right, but thats still something a GM needs to ensure wont happen before he goes all in on a player.
- robz228

His NTC didn't kick in yet. Play where you're traded and shut your mouth.


It's called being an adult.

I have never nor will ever have respect for players like that.

Because the poster never said anything about LA Kings winning a cup what he said was The FLyers gave Richards and Carter away for nothing....

I guess you agree, the flyers got nothing in return.....hockeybuzz :thumbsup:
- toddkac

He didn't mean they gave him away for nothing. I think what he meant was that if they were willing to give up Carter and Richards they could be willing to give up hartnell (in response to me saying they wouldn't give him up because he's a fan favourite).

If you don't want to respect other peoples opinions and be condescending in every post you make, then just leave

so if vanek goes to, say, new jersey and buffalo gets back whoever their best prospect is, a roster player, and a first round pick

new jersey wins the cup next year

you say buffalo SERIOUSLY lost the trade because vanek won the cup?
- robz228

I completely agree with you. Guys here think they would rather have Jeff Carter and his 12 year 50 million dollar contract then Courturier, Voracek and a 3rd.
The fact that LA Kings won the cup has nothing to do with the ACTUAL VALUE of the trade

I don't know, they gave Richards and Carter away like a bunch of fools.

so if vanek goes to, say, new jersey and buffalo gets back whoever their best prospect is, a roster player, and a first round pick

new jersey wins the cup next year

you say buffalo SERIOUSLY lost the trade because vanek won the cup?
- robz228

At this point in time Philly lost that trade, because again Carter and Richards were very key parts in winning that cup.

so if vanek goes to, say, new jersey and buffalo gets back whoever their best prospect is, a roster player, and a first round pick

new jersey wins the cup next year

you say buffalo SERIOUSLY lost the trade because vanek won the cup?
- robz228

If that prospect, pick and roster player don't get me to the cup and we go into rebuilding again then yea..

His NTC didn't kick in yet. Play where you're traded and shut your mouth.


It's called being an adult.

I have never nor will ever have respect for players like that.
- dadeadhead

I know, i agree with you, its childish and stupid. Making guaranteed millions playing hockey and finding a way to complain, but its something they should have seen coming and avoided all together.

Like if buffalo traded for emerson etem.

He didn't mean they gave him away for nothing. I think what he meant was that if they were willing to give up Carter and Richards they could be willing to give up hartnell (in response to me saying they wouldn't give him up because he's a fan favourite).

If you don't want to respect other peoples opinions and be condescending in every post you make, then just leave
- Sabresfan-365

I don't know, they gave Richards and Carter away like a bunch of fools.

I do believe he said gave away....pretty sure that means nothing in return, am I leaping?

I completely agree with you. Guys here think they would rather have Jeff Carter and his 12 year 50 million dollar contract then Courturier, Voracek and a 3rd.
The fact that LA Kings won the cup has nothing to do with the ACTUAL VALUE of the trade
- toddkac

That contract is actually a very good one compared to what the current NHL salary inflation is. . .

I do believe he said gave away....pretty sure that means nothing in return, am I leaping?
- toddkac

I don't think he meant it in that context but whatever

At this point in time Philly lost that trade, because again Carter and Richards were very key parts in winning that cup.
- ImThatGuy

but Carter never went to LA from Philly he went from Columbus....

So what your saying is if a player gets passed around by a few teams and then a team wins the cup with that player all the teams that traded him away previously lost that trade??? Really? Seriously?

Is that where the deer and antelope play?
- dadeadhead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMQulBPzD9o

To be fair Carter led the team in goals during the cup finals. They might not win it without him. Like I said the only team that lost out was Colombus
- sbroads24

They win it with or without him.


4 goals in the 1st 15 games of the playoffs last year. 3 of which game in one game.

At this point in time Philly lost that trade, because again Carter and Richards were very key parts in winning that cup.
- ImThatGuy

"losing a trade" would mean they are worse off than they were before the trade happened. its irrelevant to the success the players had after they were gone.

I don't think he meant it in that context but whatever
- Sabresfan-365

here is his quote...

I don't know, they gave Richards and Carter away like a bunch of fools.


Please tell me, what did he mean?

That contract is actually a very good one compared to what the current NHL salary inflation is. . .
- ImThatGuy

I agree 5.3 is not a bad figure at all

so if vanek goes to, say, new jersey and buffalo gets back whoever their best prospect is, a roster player, and a first round pick

new jersey wins the cup next year

you say buffalo SERIOUSLY lost the trade because vanek won the cup?
- robz228

The only team Vanek should win a cup with is Buffalo. Becasue if he gets traded, he will be nowhere near the player he was when he was here. Sabres suck every last ounce of talent out of the players they trade. True Story.

"losing a trade" would mean they are worse off than they were before the trade happened. its irrelevant to the success the players had after they were gone.
- robz228

dude I will never argue with you again.....you have common sense.

here is his quote...

I don't know, they gave Richards and Carter away like a bunch of fools.


Please tell me, what did he mean?
- toddkac

Like I said before I believe he meant that as in they were willing to part ways with two key players without hesitation so it's entirely possible that they'd be willing to deal hartnell too (again in response to me saying that I don't think they'd deal hartnell because he's a fan favourite).

but Carter never went to LA from Philly he went from Columbus....

So what your saying is if a player gets passed around by a few teams and then a team wins the cup with that player all the teams that traded him away previously lost that trade??? Really? Seriously?
- toddkac

UGH. No, this is a special situation where two leaders of the SAME TEAM, were decided on by the MGMT group they were not good enough to win a cup. Within a year the very two same players wound up on the same team, playing very important roles and helped a team win a cup and are currently looking to go back to back. While the team that traded them away appears to be in worse shape.

Like I said before I believe he meant that as in they were willing to part ways with two key players without hesitation so it's entirely possible that they'd be willing to deal hartnell too (again in response to me saying that I don't think they'd deal hartnell because he's a fan favourite).
- Sabresfan-365

This

They win it with or without him.


4 goals in the 1st 15 games or the playoffs last year. 3 of which game in one game.
- dadeadhead

He had 8 goals. Including game winners. Can't say for sure they won without him.