I think there are some things Snow has done well and some he has completely (frank)ed up but I can't expect to be enamored with everything a GM does it's unrealistic. As far as Wang is concerned I can care less how much money he is supposedly losing the guy is a crooked POS who IMO is a complete lunatic/moron. I have no idea how a guy can create what he has and leave Mike Milbury as his GM for as long as he did? Pretty much watch as someone destroys "his baby" like no other GM in the history of the sport could've done if they tried. A monkey would've fired him 9 years before Wang did(who actually did'nt fire him really). We squeaked into the PO's and the team showed a lot of mustard and I could'nt be happier with them. I think a lot of these waiver guys performed beyond expectations and were at the very least servicable. We've done nothing but draft in the top 5 for 6 years. I'm not going to sing Snow's praises until I actually see him do something besides draft. This offseason even though I'm not expecting much will still say a lot about what kind of GM he is. What he does with Boyes, Streit and with the possibility of replacing those two guys? What happens with Nino? This should be a good example of his decision making which in the past I was critical of and though I've softened a bit I am still shall I say cautiously optimisitic/negative( )of what we are in store for as far as Snow.
- Cptmjl

In regards to the Milbury/Wang relationship, while agree that Milbury was kept well beyond his reasonable tenure with the team, I think it's also important to put things in perspective. Wang purchased the Isles in 2000 (didn't become full owner until 2004). With Wang as owner, under Milbury the Isles made the playoffs in years 2,3 & 4, before missing in year 5 when Milbury was fired (yeah the claim was he stepped down but Wang pretty much confirmed he was fired on a radio appearance).
So it's not as though Wang watched the team miss the playoffs five years in a row before getting rid of Milbury, he made the playoffs 3 out of his final 4 years.

There's no questioning that Wang was less than a novice and made a lot of embarassing maneuvers ( DP, Yashin etc), but the guy has learned over the last few years to butt out and allow things to take shape despite losing over $180 million dollars.

Hey Mick... another one!


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

In regards to the Milbury/Wang relationship, while agree that Milbury was kept well beyond his reasonable tenure with the team, I think it's also important to put things in perspective. Wang purchased the Isles in 2000 (didn't become full owner until 2004). With Wang as owner, under Milbury the Isles made the playoffs in years 2,3 & 4, before missing in year 5 when Milbury was fired (yeah the claim was he stepped down but Wang pretty much confirmed he was fired on a radio appearance).
So it's not as though Wang watched the team miss the playoffs five years in a row before getting rid of Milbury, he made the playoffs 3 out of his final 4 years.

There's no questioning that Wang was less than a novice and made a lot of embarassing maneuvers ( DP, Yashin etc), but the guy has learned over the last few years to butt out and allow things to take shape despite losing over $180 million dollars.
- keaner17

Yet this was 3/4 of the people's argument(not saying yours) on this thread as the reason why Snow was ineffective as a GM? The fact(or should I say contrary to popular belief on here) that Wang did'nt "butt out" made Snow not able to perform his job as GM. As far as his losses are concerned I don't believe they are as high as some think. I've seen all the figures and Forbes charts, etc. don't need to see them again. Wang created a lot of his own problems with his other real estate ventures and buisnesses, there is a reason why the town and county were wishy washy with him and it was'nt all bcs their palms were getting greased by Roosovelt field and other buisness's in the area(though that was one of the reasons)plus Garden City. Wang is no angel(as most know)and has done his share of shady shat. He is very calculated yet obvious. Intelligent yet crazy. IMO the guy is a complete loon, I can care less how much cash he has made over the years. I don't feel bad for him in any way, I feel bad for the fans who had to endure yet another inept owner.

Yet this was 3/4 of the people's argument(not saying yours) on this thread as the reason why Snow was ineffective as a GM? The fact(or should I say contrary to popular belief on here) that Wang did'nt "butt out" made Snow not able to perform his job as GM. As far as his losses are concerned I don't believe they are as high as some think. I've seen all the figures and Forbes charts, etc. don't need to see them again. Wang created a lot of his own problems with his other real estate ventures and buisnesses, there is a reason why the town and county were wishy washy with him and it was'nt all bcs their palms were getting greased by Roosovelt field and other buisness's in the area(though that was one of the reasons)plus Garden City. Wang is no angel(as most know)and has done his share of shady shat. He is very calculated yet obvious. Intelligent yet crazy. IMO the guy is a complete loon, I can care less how much cash he has made over the years. I don't feel bad for him in any way, I feel bad for the fans who had to endure yet another inept owner.
- Cptmjl

The loss reports have been consistently reported. The books were opened to the media, local and national. Forbes is as trustable of a financial outlet as you'll find (IMO) so I'm pretty confident their reported $16 million (post TV contract) is accurate.
I can't blame anyone for their perceptions of Charles, he has a record of nepotistic decisions which I believe carried into his contract medlings. I think he started off as a novice owner who thought he was smarter than everyone else and could build a better mousetrap but found out over time that simple business models don't translate to successful sports organizations.
His overall legacy is yet to be complete (obviously) but in the end, I think he'll be seen as a guy who saved this franchise, maintainted it through a period where it should have become extinct and learned some very harsh lessons in humility along the way.
Unfortunately for Snow, he has faced a stacked deck from the get-go, one that no other GM before him has seen to such an extent. Yet here we are, improved, a promising future, reloaded and ready to take the next step. For that, Snow deserves some kudos. His job obviously isn't complete, and there other facets he needs to improve in order to claim complete successs, but 2012-13 was a big step in him ultimately proving his critics wrong.

The loss reports have been consistently reported. The books were opened to the media, local and national. Forbes is as trustable of a financial outlet as you'll find (IMO) so I'm pretty confident their reported $16 million (post TV contract) is accurate.
I can't blame anyone for their perceptions of Charles, he has a record of nepotistic decisions which I believe carried into his contract medlings. I think he started off as a novice owner who thought he was smarter than everyone else and could build a better mousetrap but found out over time that simple business models don't translate to successful sports organizations.
His overall legacy is yet to be complete (obviously) but in the end, I think he'll be seen as a guy who saved this franchise, maintainted it through a period where it should have become extinct and learned some very harsh lessons in humility along the way.
Unfortunately for Snow, he has faced a stacked deck from the get-go, one that no other GM before him has seen to such an extent. Yet here we are, improved, a promising future, reloaded and ready to take the next step. For that, Snow deserves some kudos. His job obviously isn't complete, and there other facets he needs to improve in order to claim complete successs, but 2012-13 was a big step in him ultimately proving his critics wrong.
- keaner17

It was a step in the right direction though he has a ways to go before proving his critics wrong IMO. If these kids coming up through the system over the next couple years perform even close to expectations than it will help bring him into a better light in a lot of fans/rest of the NHL's eyes. Next year I would say will be a measuring stick of sorts for a lot of people.

Because a year ago, Nashville didn't realize they would suck so much- I believe they basically matched that offer on principle alone. They would be far better served with a full rebuild at this point, and it can't hurt to ask.

As for Phoenix, aren't you tired of the hard earned money that you pay for Islander tickets going to fund their payroll? If anyone should have to have Tim Thomas, it should be them. If I was an owner, I would insist on league minimum there, until someone from Toronto/Hamilton/Quebec brings the suitcase full of cash and takes them back on the plane.

The point is that we NEED a big, strong, nasty defenseman who can play- I just don't see that in our future, unless we trade for that player. The idea of prospects is to build a core, not to rely on your drafting skills to build an entire team- you have to get too lucky in too short a period of time to be able to get every diverse part you need to field a "team" through the draft- with all of our top 5-10 draft picks in the last seven years, they have picked ONE defenseman, and ZERO goaltenders, because in the spots where they picked, they shouldn't have picked defensemen and goalies, so they did not.

However, those players are still needed...which means some of the forward prospects need to be moved for the things they don't have. I'd also rather not assume that all of the prospects we do have playing the needed positions are going to pan out, especially when most of them are middling draft picks. We clearly have a core that is capable of doing good things, and just needs some final pieces added to the puzzle. I just believe that once a team gets to be good, it's time to accelerate the process a little bit.
- dcb1

I understand the process of building a team, but
A. those 2 aren't available.
B. Im not saying he has called, I doubt he has because well.. they aren't available.. but you don't know if Garth has called about either of those players & you will never know if he called about either of those players except in the ultra slim chance they actually got traded to the Isles.
C. there is no rush to add a player like either of those guys at the expense of what we are building. If they could be had as free agents.. go for it... picks & prospects... pass

XxNYIxX

the fact you compared brett hull and matt moulson in the same breath makes my eyes and ears vomit.... you can over look defenseive short comings when you score 80 goals....you can't when you score 20...
- NYI78

what about 30?

XxNYIxX

what about 30?

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

no

no
- Cptmjl

To be fair, I don't think anyone is ever going to reach 80 goals again, defense is better, players are bigger, and goalies are much better

To be fair, I don't think anyone is ever going to reach 80 goals again, defense is better, players are bigger, and goalies are much better
- Danformo

yes

yes
- Cptmjl

I think 60 is the new 80

I think 60 is the new 80
- Danformo

Maybe

I think 60 is the new 80
- Danformo

so is 30 the new 50?

XxNYIxX

I never said boyes was top line player. And I don't think moulson is one either.
Boyes does give us the vet experience that isles always want but go out and get bums like reasoner and rolston.
For 1 mill in think boyes more than earned his paycheck. Also he feed Tavares some nice passes this year. That's a lot better than moulson who waits for jt to do all the dirty work for him.
Moulson is a good goal scorer but I think he showing early signs of Trent hunterism. Getting slower and lazier
- Spartiarti

I hate to say this but Rolston has more exp in the toe nail he cut a few days ago, then Boyes can ever dream to have.

XxNYIxX

Wow...had no idea!
It's taken on a persona/symbolism of it's own actually.
- keaner17

Tell me about it, Its hard for me to go out on the town anymore with all the paparazzi and fans that follow me everywhere.


XxNYIxX

In that case, why are you mentinoing Yandle. At 6'1" 190lbs, he's hardly big or nasty. In fact, with the few Phoenix fans I've spoken to, they feel his defensive play leaves a lot to be desired.
As for Webber, if he's a '5' on a scale of 1-5, I'd rather sign two to three 4's at 30% of his overall cost than tying up over 20% of my salary cap in his contract. No player is worth that type of money. It would be insane to sign a defenseman who is making $3 million more than the best player in the world.
If you look around the world of sports, the teams that are consistent contenders tend to be the one's who almost NEVER go overboard on any one player. While adding Webber may indeed make us a contender in the immediate, Nashville can attest that it offers no guarantee's and they will likely be suffering from his contract for many years to come.
We have several very strong defensive prospects in our system, a few of which have top pairing potential. I'd be more interested in taking on an additional 3-4 year contract for a very good dman capable of filling the role at a mid range price (say $5-6mil) while allowing guys like Reinhart, Donovan, Mayfield, Pedan and others to continue to mature into their roles.
We're building a team that will be able to send waves of talent at our opponents rather than one rogue. Ultimately those are the types of teams that are most difficult to defend against.
- keaner17

XxNYIxX

It was a step in the right direction though he has a ways to go before proving his critics wrong IMO. If these kids coming up through the system over the next couple years perform even close to expectations than it will help bring him into a better light in a lot of fans/rest of the NHL's eyes. Next year I would say will be a measuring stick of sorts for a lot of people.
- Cptmjl

Agreed...it can't be a one hit wonder. At the very least, another playoff performance is a must, but we have reason to even expect more just with the continued maturation of our skilled players

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#Isles Player Transaction: Forward Chris Bruton has agrees to terms with Islanders on a one-year, two-way contract. nyisl.es/lfCOy

To be fair, I don't think anyone is ever going to reach 80 goals again, defense is better, players are bigger, and goalies are much better
- Danformo

Tough to say. We had Ovechkin reach 65 and Stamkos has hit 60. I think Crosby could eventually see 60 as well. I agree it's far less likely and it would take a specific type of player to accomplish it. I don't think Gretzky in his prime would surpass 60 goals in todays league, but Lemieux, because of his size and stickhandling abilities might have still come close. Of course those are the two greatest players ever so it would have to be the real NEXT one.

NYIslanders @NYIslanders 22m
#Isles Player Transaction: Forward Chris Bruton has agrees to terms with Islanders on a one-year, two-way contract. nyisl.es/lfCOy
- 1since40

Odd signing...especially after having just signed Boulton again. Bruton is a middleweight who had 17 fighting majors in the A last year.

I think there are some things Snow has done well and some he has completely (frank)ed up but I can't expect to be enamored with everything a GM does it's unrealistic. As far as Wang is concerned I can care less how much money he is supposedly losing the guy is a crooked POS who IMO is a complete lunatic/moron. I have no idea how a guy can create what he has and leave Mike Milbury as his GM for as long as he did? Pretty much watch as someone destroys "his baby" like no other GM in the history of the sport could've done if they tried. A monkey would've fired him 9 years before Wang did(who actually did'nt fire him really). We squeaked into the PO's and the team showed a lot of mustard and I could'nt be happier with them. I think a lot of these waiver guys performed beyond expectations and were at the very least servicable. We've done nothing but draft in the top 5 for 6 years. I'm not going to sing Snow's praises until I actually see him do something besides draft. This offseason even though I'm not expecting much will still say a lot about what kind of GM he is. What he does with Boyes, Streit and with the possibility of replacing those two guys? What happens with Nino? This should be a good example of his decision making which in the past I was critical of and though I've softened a bit I am still shall I say cautiously optimisitic/negative( )of what we are in store for as far as Snow.
- Cptmjl

MM was only GM of the Islanders for 5 seasons under Wang, where his team made the playoffs 3 of those 5 years. While under Wang's ownership MM's teams showed progress. It is not a stretch to say that Wang did the right thing keeping him as long as he did & that he got rid of him at the right time as well.

XxNYIxX

In regards to the Milbury/Wang relationship, while agree that Milbury was kept well beyond his reasonable tenure with the team, I think it's also important to put things in perspective. Wang purchased the Isles in 2000 (didn't become full owner until 2004). With Wang as owner, under Milbury the Isles made the playoffs in years 2,3 & 4, before missing in year 5 when Milbury was fired (yeah the claim was he stepped down but Wang pretty much confirmed he was fired on a radio appearance).
So it's not as though Wang watched the team miss the playoffs five years in a row before getting rid of Milbury, he made the playoffs 3 out of his final 4 years.

There's no questioning that Wang was less than a novice and made a lot of embarassing maneuvers ( DP, Yashin etc), but the guy has learned over the last few years to butt out and allow things to take shape despite losing over $180 million dollars.
- keaner17

LOFL... GMTA

XxNYIxX

Agreed...it can't be a one hit wonder. At the very least, another playoff performance is a must, but we have reason to even expect more just with the continued maturation of our skilled players
- keaner17

I'm looking foward to seeing what these kids coming up have got. I'm sick of hearing about them time to start seeing. What is Bailey going to want? How is Okposo going to come out the gate? What's going on with our goaltending? IS BOYES GOING TO BE RE-SIGNED!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Does Streit get another contract? Did this team truly turn a corner with the last month in a half(I think they did)? Is Strome ready for the NHL if not who is? Who is going to play on JT's wing knowing that Boyes is clearly not the answer? These are all big question marks which is why I said this is a big offseason for Snow. No, I'm not expecting any big trades or signings during the draft or free agency but what he does with some of these questions will give us a more clear description of what kind of GM he is.

Been reading alot on this kid Mitchell Theoret, isles prospect, seems like he could be really good, anybody know how far away this kid is from the big club and if he's gonna stick around?

I'm looking foward to seeing what these kids coming up have got. I'm sick of hearing about them time to start seeing. What is Bailey going to want? How is Okposo going to come out the gate? What's going on with our goaltending? IS BOYES GOING TO BE RE-SIGNED!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Does Streit get another contract? Did this team truly turn a corner with the last month in a half(I think they did)? Is Strome ready for the NHL if not who is? Who is going to play on JT's wing knowing that Boyes is clearly not the answer? These are all big question marks which is why I said this is a big offseason for Snow. No, I'm not expecting any big trades or signings during the draft or free agency but what he does with some of these questions will give us a more clear description of what kind of GM he is.
- Cptmjl

He has to sign some decent players. We are once again under the cap, especially if we let Streit walk.

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