Given the cap situation, and lack of tradable assets, the Canucks have to fill as many positions internally as is realistically possible—even if AV's back ((frank) no ), he'd be forced to use Schroeder.
- Fosco

Yes, even the way they managed to burn a year off of corrado's ELC reaks of mis-management. Ideally Schroeder, Corrado, Jensen, and perhaps even Lack and Gaunce should get a real opportunities next season.

Schroeder should have been in the lineup.

He was infinitely more effective than Ebbett, showed good chemistry with his linemates, and his dry spells were no worse than any of the Canucks other offensive players this season.

Another victim of AV's constant line shuffling and poor roster management.
- Fosco

He was dealing with a shoulder injury according to reports. I agree with Alex though, too many good young players/assets have been lost in recent years and I hope Gillis isn't just bullsh1tting about trying to acquire picks/prospects instead of trading them like he has since this prospect pool is still bottom 10 in the league IMO.

To be honest, given Gillis' trade record I'm not sure how valuable that 2nd would have been to us anyway. I'd give the odds of that cracking our line-up at less than a coin toss. I'm more disappointed by how many 1st rounders he's thrown away - Grabner, Hodgson, 1st to Florida (Howden), Schroeder (struggling to crack line-up).
- AlexF

Schroeder will continue to struggle; Gillis would spin it like "We know we have to get bigger" or "We know the game has changed" or “We know that flying saucer was going to fly under the Lions Gate Bridge....really? When did you figure that out Mike? Gillis is playing a real life game of Moneyball with this team. Rolling the dice and coming up with snake eyes. He will or has been in the process of presenting his plan to ownership. Let's keep our fingers crossed they are smarter than the current management team. I really don't think there is a quick fix out there for this team. Looking around at other organizations you just might be better off to blow it up and go into the tank for the next 5-6 years, with competent management, scouting and coaching.

Yes, even the way they managed to burn a year off of corrado's ELC reaks of mis-management. Ideally Schroeder, Corrado, Jensen, and perhaps even Lack and Gaunce should get a real opportunities next season.
- AlexF

I'm not against the Corrado decision.

They needed to try to ice the best lineup, and Corrado was the best option.

I don't think they'll have trouble re-signing him. Who knows, maybe that extra year gives him a breakout season and it would be the difference between a $1.5m and a $3.5m RFA contract.

He was dealing with a shoulder injury according to reports. I agree with Alex though, too many good young players/assets have been lost in recent years and I hope Gillis isn't just bullsh1tting about trying to acquire picks/prospects instead of trading them like he has since this prospect pool is still bottom 10 in the league IMO.
- Nucker101

I'm talking about during the season. I'm aware he was injured for the last few Wolves games and the playoffs.

Who knows.

Maybe the Aquilinis are still undecided as to whether Gillis is even the man for the job.
- Fosco

I'm guessing they'd have asked him for his roadmap for the next few seasons. Those meetings were supposedly held was last week, so it likely wouldn't have been until this week at the earliest that we'd get some news.

The other question is, if Gillis goes, who's out there to replace him? One thing for certain, we need someone who can draft. That Finnish guy that CLS got was a good pick-up in that regard.

He was dealing with a shoulder injury according to reports. I agree with Alex though, too many good young players/assets have been lost in recent years and I hope Gillis isn't just bullsh1tting about trying to acquire picks/prospects instead of trading them like he has since this prospect pool is still bottom 10 in the league IMO.
- Nucker101

Ranked 27th on Hockey Futures.

I'm guessing they'd have asked him for his roadmap for the next few seasons. Those meetings were supposedly held was last week, so it likely wouldn't have been until this week at the earliest that we'd get some news.

The other question is, if Gillis goes, who's out there to replace him? One thing for certain, we need someone who can draft. That Finnish guy that CLS got was a good pick-up in that regard.
- AlexF

I don't really have an issue with Gillis's drafting, outside of a couple of his 2nd round picks.

Unless they fire the scouts as well, the new guy likely wouldn't deviate from the plan in place when he arrived. And if they do that, they'd better make a move soon so the new GM/scouts can do their homework.

It's Gillis's trades that I hate, and that he allowed his coach to sabotage this team in several different ways, without stepping in enough.

Ranked 27th on Hockey Futures.
- AlexF

Their rankings are garbage. But yeah, the prospect pool lacks the elite prospects to bring it up to the top half of the league. Product of finishing high in the standings, and trading away picks.

Still much better than it was at the end of the Burke/Nonis era.

I don't really have an issue with Gillis's drafting, outside of a couple of his 2nd round picks.

Unless they fire the scouts as well, the new guy likely wouldn't deviate from the plan in place when he arrived. And if they do that, they'd better make a move soon so the new GM/scouts can do their homework.

It's Gillis's trades that I hate, and that he allowed his coach to sabotage this team in several different ways, without stepping in enough.
- Fosco

I have a problem with Gillis' drafting. But it's true, that fact he's traded away his good picks makes it all the more frustrating. Ironically this entire conversation would likely be much different had we won Game 7 2 years ago. "Gillis traded away much of the future but he did what he had to do to bring in the Cup." The difference one game can make on someone's legacy.

Their rankings are garbage. But yeah, the prospect pool lacks the elite prospects to bring it up to the top half of the league. Product of finishing high in the standings, and trading away picks.

Still much better than it was at the end of the Burke/Nonis era.
- Fosco

I'd be curious to know how many of the same scouts are still not employed under Gillis, that were here under Nonis as well. IMO a GM's drafting is only as good as his scouting. GM's probably all have good knowledge of the first round and early 2nd round players, but you'd have to think that the scouts have a major influence on the remaining picks.



Also, I agree that their ranking system isn't too great, not much research done on the later picks and they place too much weight on ISS/Consensus rankings even a year or two after a player has been drafted, they usually don't pick up on a player's stock increasing/decreasing until it's really obvious.

I did not like Gillis' response to the question at the year ender presser. He snapped back to someone (I think it was from 1040) and said that "We did not know what their expenses are."

To be fair, this was an emotional conference and he will be the only one to publically discuss this but I still found his answer to be curt and off-putting.

I spend exactly 1.99 this year on the Canucks on a retro Car flag on the last day of Zellers.... and I think I paid too much.

Honestly, bottom line... the NHL does not live in an economic bubble. THEY THINK THEY DO.... but they do not. Go ahead and raise the price, double the price, triple the price, it all looks the same from my Hidef at home you greedy, selfish bastards.

It really depends on what happens during this off-season. New coach, a few new faces, then fans will want to go. If nothing changes then you see empty seats.
- bloatedmosquito

Exactly he waiting list is deep. Get rid of the coaching staff bring in Nino Simmonds Archibald Frankie and people will come and see the new look

I did not like Gillis' response to the question at the year ender presser. He snapped back to someone (I think it was from 1040) and said that "We did not know what their expenses are."

To be fair, this was an emotional conference and he will be the only one to publically discuss this but I still found his answer to be curt and off-putting.

I spend exactly 1.99 this year on the Canucks on a retro Car flag on the last day of Zellers.... and I think I paid too much.

Honestly, bottom line... the NHL does not live in an economic bubble. THEY THINK THEY DO.... but they do not. Go ahead and raise the price, double the price, triple the price, it all looks the same from my Hidef at home you greedy, selfish bastards.
- Beatle_john

gillis and burke are both curt and off-putting. as GMs of a business that relies on public opinion to drive its product's success, I find it funny that they choose this direction. it generally comes across as arrogance.

So what is Gillis waiting for. Fire the turd!
- bloatedmosquito

Tippet is the key domino

Exactly he waiting list is deep. Get rid of the coaching staff bring in Nino Simmonds Archibald Frankie and people will come and see the new look
- VANTEL

You're really setting yourself up for disappointment with this Simmonds thing. I wouldn't shocked to see a trade or two made, but I have yet to every hear any rumours of Simmonds since he's been in Philly. But if Gillis offered Edler straight up, Philly would be stupid to turn that down IMO.

gillis and burke are both curt and off-putting. as GMs of a business that relies on public opinion to drive its product's success, I find it funny that they choose this direction. it generally comes across as arrogance.
- bloatedmosquito

Is there much precedent of teams literally poaching GMs or coaches from other teams with higher offers? I wouldn't mind transplanting Ottawa's GM and coach into our organization.

Tippet is the key domino
- VANTEL

So you think AV stays if Tippett stays with Phoenix? I think AV is gone for sure no matter what, the only hold up is probably that the Gillis-ownership meeting took place just this past week apparently and so I now expect Gillis to make a decision on AV this upcoming week. I also expect Gillis to interview a few candidates instead of just hiring someone right away.

Exactly he waiting list is deep. Get rid of the coaching staff bring in Nino Simmonds Archibald Frankie and people will come and see the new look
- VANTEL

I want to see bold. whatever that means...
Based on what I've seen so far, I got a feeling gillis thinks the word 'bold' means 'stupid'. can someone call and clarify it for him?

You're really setting yourself up for disappointment with this Simmonds thing. I wouldn't shocked to see a trade or two made, but I have yet to every hear any rumours of Simmonds since he's been in Philly. But if Gillis offered Edler straight up, Philly would be stupid to turn that down IMO.
- Nucker101

I'd be much more into Brayden Schenn than Simmonds, who I view as more of a solid complementary piece as opposed to a potential difference maker. I think Schenn is about to bust out.

Is there much precedent of teams literally poaching GMs or coaches from other teams with higher offers? I wouldn't mind transplanting Ottawa's GM and coach into our organization.
- AlexF

Don't think that's realistic in the NHL. Even in all 4 major sports in North America, it's been extremely rare. Much more common in European soccer, and college sports. Assistant coaches and assistant GM's are another story though.

You're really setting yourself up for disappointment with this Simmonds thing. I wouldn't shocked to see a trade or two made, but I have yet to every hear any rumours of Simmonds since he's been in Philly. But if Gillis offered Edler straight up, Philly would be stupid to turn that down IMO.
- Nucker101

They will pick up Raffi and another Simmonds like player. If Clowe could put the puck in the net they would chase him.

I'd be much more into Brayden Schenn than Simmonds, who I view as more of a solid complementary piece as opposed to a potential difference maker. I think Schenn is about to bust out.
- AlexF

I agree. But I doubt Philly splits up the Schenn brothers. I'd have Couturier ahead of Simmonds as well.

So you think AV stays if Tippett stays with Phoenix? I think AV is gone for sure no matter what, the only hold up is probably that the Gillis-ownership meeting took place just this past week apparently and so I now expect Gillis to make a decision on AV this upcoming week. I also expect Gillis to interview a few candidates instead of just hiring someone right away.
- Nucker101

Repeating what Botch said.

Don't think that's realistic in the NHL. Even in all 4 major sports in North America, it's been extremely rare. Much more common in European soccer, and college sports. Assistant coaches and assistant GM's are another story though.
- Nucker101

Yeah I was thinking of European soccer when I made that comment and couldn't remember an NHL equivalent. When Burke went to TO or Babcock to DET, were their contracts over?