I'd do it for a young proven forward like Eriksson.

By mid level prospect I meant like one of the LHD who project to be 5-7 D, like Andersson or Polasek.
- Fosco

I'd be okay with that, but would prefer to keep all picks. Eriksson isn't that young since he'll be 28 to start next season but he should be really solid for another 3-4 years. Trading Edler and a prospect for Eriksson definitely isn't the first step of a youth movement. Plus D-men seem to last longer than forwards as well.


Edit:

Edler's been on pace for 53, 49, and 40 points these past 3 years.

Eriksson's been on pace for 75, 71, and 50 points.


I know that Edler racks up a lot of points with the Twins, but that's something to consider if you're giving up Edler+ for Eriksson to increase offensive firepower. There are a lot of teams that would love to have a d-man like Edler, since offensive forwards aren't as good without d-men to get them the puck. Losing Ehrhoff was already bad enough and trading Edler for a top 6 forward might not help the offense as much as we'd all like to hope.

I'd do that. Might have to add a mid grade prospect on top of that (Edler, 2nd, prospect).

Eriksson would be good with Kesler—he's got some decent playmaking ability.
- Fosco

I'd do that too. That's more or less an old fashioned "hockey trade" swapping need for need.

I'd be weary of trading yet another pick/prospect, a 2nd might not seem to exciting but picks are like lottery tickets so the Canucks would continue to have very low odds of drafting a solid NHL'er after the first round compared to most teams. Gillis himself said that he's going to change his approach on keeping and potentially adding picks instead of moving them.
- Nucker101

I have very little confidence in Gillis and his team's ability to draft NHL talent. Apart from that I'd agree with your position but as Fosco said, Eriksson is a 70pt player that can score and create and is on a great contract ($4.25m). 2nd rd picks rarely reach those heights.

I don't think Dallas would do another Neal/Gologoski type deal. IMO they'd want to replace Eriksson with Kassian or Jensen, plus a guy like Corrado (they'd ask for Tanev, but we compromise with Corrado).

I'd be okay with that, but would prefer to keep all picks. Eriksson isn't that young since he'll be 28 to start next season but he should be really solid for another 3-4 years. Trading Edler and a prospect for Eriksson definitely isn't the first step of a youth movement. Plus D-men seem to last longer than forwards as well.


Edit:

Edler's been on pace for 53, 49, and 40 points these past 3 years.

Eriksson's been on pace for 75, 71, and 50 points.


I know that Edler racks up a lot of points with the Twins, but that's something to consider if you're giving up Edler+ for Eriksson to increase offensive firepower. There are a lot of teams that would love to have a d-man like Edler, since offensive forwards aren't as good without d-men to get them the puck. Losing Ehrhoff was already bad enough and trading Edler for a top 6 forward might not help the offense as much as we'd all like to hope.
- Nucker101

Younger than I am

The Canucks need to turn the 2nd line into a threat. That automatically makes the Sedin line more effective, since teams can't just focus on them.

I don't think it's a secret that I'm a huge Edler fan, but I think they can afford to lose a few points from the blue line to bolster the forward corps.

A D of;

Hamhuis Bieksa
Garrison Tanev
FA Corrado

Would still be very good.

Edler is their only asset that will land a legit top 6 forward.

I'd obviously be OK with him staying, but the D is in much better shape than the F, and the Canucks will never be contenders with only 4 top 6 forwards, and one that can't play a full season or improve the play of his linemates.

Younger than I am

The Canucks need to turn the 2nd line into a threat. That automatically makes the Sedin line more effective, since teams can't just focus on them.

I don't think it's a secret that I'm a huge Edler fan, but I think they can afford to lose a few points from the blue line to bolster the forward corps.

A D of;

Hamhuis Bieksa
Garrison Tanev
FA Corrado

Would still be very good.

Edler is their only asset that will land a legit top 6 forward.

I'd obviously be OK with him staying, but the D is in much better shape than the F, and the Canucks will never be contenders with only 4 top 6 forwards, and one that can't play a full season or improve the play of his linemates.
- Fosco

So...

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Eriksson-Schroeder-Kesler
Higgins-Gaunce-Hansen
Pinnizotto-?-?

Kassian

If we trade Kesler for a younger C then Kassian could slot in as the 2nd line RW.

So...

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Eriksson-Schroeder-Kesler
Higgins-Gaunce-Hansen
Pinnizotto-?-?

Kassian

If we trade Kesler for a younger C then Kassian could slot in as the 2nd line RW.
- AlexF

Sedins Burrows
Eriksson Kesler Kassian (after the FO Kesler shifts to wing. Eriksson has the playmaking skills and two-way ability to play centre after the FO)
Higgins Schroeder Hansen
Archibald/Blomstrand Lapierre Weise/Sestito (Laps is probably gone, though).

Maybe a 4th line upgrade.

I'd imagine if teams have no issue selling tickets there would be an increase. It's pretty normal to raise them a few bucks from something like 50-to-52 dollars.

I read somewhere (unsure if it's true) that the cheapest ticket at a Canucks game is $85. that's a little high and honestly, i wouldn't pay that for the crap that was on the ice this season.
- IanEsplen

The canucks are actually quite sneaky with their ticket costs. They charge a ton of money for tickets. However they then offer charitable organizations, kids groups and other such small promotions that allow certain people to buy nose bleeds for 40 a ticket. This greatly reduces their average ticket cost while increasing public image and sometimes even giving them a tax break. So this skews the average ticket prices when the league does their tally.

However you are right. From a purely economic perspective they most money to be made for the team is a point where they just barely don't sell out every game. That is the price point where you are maximizing your money. Then you fill the seats with charities and write off the give aways. Its a douche thing to do but if you are trying to make money (I am in finance) that is what I would recommend. There are enough corporate and rich buyers that can buy the average fan right out of the arena.

If you can find a way to do it, by all means, as a BC resident, I am all for supporting you. I would do it if it was my team as well. However my team is the opposite. Our blue collar workers are pricing us average joes out.

My advice. Bellingham flights to Phoenix. You can get 4 tickets, 4 beers, 4 hotdogs and all in the lower bowl for 100 on certain games. Plus the flight is 30-50 dollars and their rink is nicer.

Sedins Burrows
Eriksson Kesler Kassian (after the FO Kesler shifts to wing. Eriksson has the playmaking skills to play centre after the FO)
Higgins Schroeder Hansen
Archibald/Blomstrand Lapierre (probably gone) Weise/Sestito

Maybe a 4th line upgrade.
- Fosco

Based on our last 2 playoffs I would think only the top line perhaps doesn't require an immediate upgrade. Higgins and Hansen are playoff MIAs and the 4th line, the few minutes it played every night, seemed ineffectual.

Based on our last 2 playoffs I would think only the top line perhaps doesn't require an immediate upgrade. Higgins and Hansen are playoff MIAs and the 4th line, the few minutes it played every night, seemed ineffectual.
- AlexF

Higgins is signed long term—gotta slot him in. I think that's an effective 3rd that can score—a bit small but you gotta work with what you have, and those big two-way players are hard to come by, but Blomtrand (6' 2" 220, and skates like the wind) has the skill to play 3rd line with some more experience. Also, there's the trickle down effect from having a dangerous 2nd line.

Like I said, they could use a 4th line upgrade.

Based on our last 2 playoffs I would think only the top line perhaps doesn't require an immediate upgrade. Higgins and Hansen are playoff MIAs and the 4th line, the few minutes it played every night, seemed ineffectual.
- AlexF

You forget that half your teams salary is wrapped up in 5 d and 3 goalies. You only get 2 buyouts and even then that leaves you with 20 mill in dmen. 20 mill with Burrows the sedins and Kesler. 5 mill for schnieder and I hope Lack isn't the answer for backup. Luckily I think you can get something for Lou but not much so that won't be a cap hit. So all you have to do is buyout ballard and booth. So that is 45 of 64 million of 4 forwards, 4 d and 1 goalie. After that you have just over 5 mill in 4 forwards and a dman. Which leaves you 14 mill to sign 6 fowards, 2 dman and a back up. This also doesn't include the marginal cap hit to the other players in the minors which I believe is 10% which really brings you to under 5 million to sign a 2 dmen, 6 forwards and you can probably just stick with Lack but that leaves you at about 4 million. So if you can sign 8 players at the league min, you will still be over the cap.

Its time to start talking about how much you love your 4 dmen and to spoil the ending, the only way garrison is going anywhere is with a buyout as well. However if you trade higgins you will be able to sign enough players at just over the league minimum. You might find enough. I hear pat fallon and Alexandre daigle are looking to come back.

You forget that half your teams salary is wrapped up in 5 d and 3 goalies. You only get 2 buyouts and even then that leaves you with 20 mill in dmen. 20 mill with Burrows the sedins and Kesler. 5 mill for schnieder and I hope Lack isn't the answer for backup. Luckily I think you can get something for Lou but not much so that won't be a cap hit. So all you have to do is buyout ballard and booth. So that is 45 of 64 million of 4 forwards, 4 d and 1 goalie. After that you have just over 5 mill in 4 forwards and a dman. Which leaves you 14 mill to sign 6 fowards, 2 dman and a back up. This also doesn't include the marginal cap hit to the other players in the minors which I believe is 10% which really brings you to under 5 million to sign a 2 dmen, 6 forwards and you can probably just stick with Lack but that leaves you at about 4 million. So if you can sign 8 players at the league min, you will still be over the cap.

Its time to start talking about how much you love your 4 dmen and to spoil the ending, the only way garrison is going anywhere is with a buyout as well. However if you trade higgins you will be able to sign enough players at just over the league minimum. You might find enough. I hear pat fallon and Alexandre daigle are looking to come back.
- bsteinley

Have you seen much of Lack?

He's a bit of a wildcard because of his injury, but before that many analysts commented that he was NHL starter material.

All depends how he's recovered from surgery.

I've been scratching my head for past little while thinking of how we can get that #2 pick from Florida. Would be great to have MacKinnon lining up as our 2nd or 3rd line center next season, eventually centering the top line.
- AlexF

We should try prying the 1st overall from Colorado.

Schneider, Tanev, Schroeder.

For

1st Overall, John Mitchell.

What does everyone think?

Perfect. Now, what do we give up to get him? Edler?
- AlexF

I'd actually look towards buffalo, and try selling them on Edler and Erhoffs chemistry for Tyler Myers.

We should try prying the 1st overall from Colorado.

Schneider, Tanev, Schroeder.

For

1st Overall, John Mitchell.

What does everyone think?
- Gullzy

I'd do it if they get Lou to agree to stay, and find a capable 3C through FA/trade.

I'd actually look towards buffalo, and try selling them on Edler and Erhoffs chemistry for Tyler Myers.
- Gullzy

Hell no, unless Ennis or Filigno are coming back too.

Edler > Myers, in every facet, and likely always will be.

Jones = Erik Johnson

Must admit I've never seen either of them play (until today), but that MacKinnon kid is good!!! Now I know what all the hype is about.
- LeftCoaster

Don't count on that. Jones is the better play, he just for dome reason plays fairly average.

He was pretty average at the WJHC for a couple of games at the start, but when it really mattered he cranked it up a few notches.

I also have a hard time ignoring how much Jones has won over his career already. I believe it's a U17, U18, World Jr and a WHL title in the past 3 years.

We should try prying the 1st overall from Colorado.

Schneider, Tanev, Schroeder.

For

1st Overall, John Mitchell.

What does everyone think?
- Gullzy

Not enough. Think about it. Would you trade Seth Jones and John Mitchell for Schneider, Tanev, and Schroeder? What holes would that trade fill for the Avs? They get a puck-moving top 6 Dman, but they already have what the other two bring.

Hell no, unless Ennis or Filigno are coming back too.

Edler > Myers, in every facet, and likely always will be.
- Fosco

Myers is bigger and a better skater

I'd do it if they get Lou to agree to stay, and find a capable 3C through FA/trade.
- Fosco

3rd line C is going to be the hardest position to fill. John Mitchell + re-signing Lappy would be a start. Even with those two though, not a comfortable position. Imagine landing MacKinnon though?

Not enough. Think about it. Would you trade Seth Jones and John Mitchell for Schneider, Tanev, and Schroeder? What holes would that trade fill for the Avs? They get a puck-moving top 6 Dman, but they already have what the other two bring.
- MaximumBone

They get an Elite goaltender, a top 6 D-Man, and a C+ Grade prospect in Shredder. All three players have NHL experience, and all of their respective positions are notoriously hard to fill.

Myers is bigger and a better skater
- MaximumBone

He's Canadian too.

We should try prying the 1st overall from Colorado.

Schneider, Tanev, Schroeder.

For

1st Overall, John Mitchell.

What does everyone think?
- Gullzy

No way COL deal that pick unless someone offers something ridiculous and screws over the team trading for the pick. They're gonna milk that Jones pick and make a lot of money off of him. Not to mention that Jones is probably already better than most of their d-men right now. I'd be shocked if he isn't playing 20+ mins a night next year for the Avs.

They get an Elite goaltender, a top 6 D-Man, and a C+ Grade prospect in Shredder. All three players have NHL experience, and all of their respective positions are notoriously hard to fill.
- Gullzy

Schneider is hell of goalie but he has yet to play a full 82 game season as a workhorse goalie, IMO he's not elite yet, although he definitely has the ability to be that guy. The Seth Jones story is just too perfect for the Avs with him living there as a kid, his dad playing for the Nuggets, his favourite player being Joe Sakic and the team desperately needing a d-man. Ownership in Colorado is probably already thinking of all the promotion ideas to build the hype and increase season ticket sales and jersey sales for next year.

No way COL deal that pick unless someone offers something ridiculous and screws over the team trading for the pick. They're gonna milk that Jones pick and make a lot of money off of him. Not to mention that Jones is probably already better than most of their d-men right now. I'd be shocked if he isn't playing 20+ mins a night next year for the Avs.
- Nucker101

I know that to be the truth, a good GM would try and convince the Avs otherwise though. Waiting till draft day so they could put their pray in a situation where they'd be vulnerable enough to consider it.