Your mom's in that jumble of guys in the 12-25 region.
- laughs2907

- Morris

Can't believe I got burned by him after all my history with his sister

Can't believe I got burned by him after all my history with his sister
- AdamFrench

He's not willing to deny anything about his sister so it's actually hard to burn him on that subject

Can't believe I got burned by him after all my history with his sister
- AdamFrench

*Insert joke about Gonorrhea*

Mackinnon is best overall, he missed next years draft by a couple days so will be the youngest of all eligible players. Drouin great hands and vision but might get his head tore off pulling these moves in the NHL. Fucale is a cant miss prospect, if halifax wins the memorial cup he will likely move himself into a top 10 pick I hope he is around when the flyers pick. Gauthier is solid, similar to couturier. Ernie is one to watch, just needs to be around better attitudes in Quebec, if he were on halifax he would be in the top 10 without question. Duclair will be a late 2nd pick because of attitude, sent home at one point.

I like the sounds of Carrier for that 37th overall pick.

Any chance Fucale falls to the second round? If so, here's to hoping it's to 37th

I like the sounds of Carrier for that 37th overall pick.

Any chance Fucale falls to the second round? If so, here's to hoping it's to 37th
- ystoil

yeah i suspect he might even be gone before 13 comes around.

Mackinnon is best overall, he missed next years draft by a couple days so will be the youngest of all eligible players. Drouin great hands and vision but might get his head tore off pulling these moves in the NHL. Fucale is a cant miss prospect, if halifax wins the memorial cup he will likely move himself into a top 10 pick I hope he is around when the flyers pick. Gauthier is solid, similar to couturier. Ernie is one to watch, just needs to be around better attitudes in Quebec, if he were on halifax he would be in the top 10 without question. Duclair will be a late 2nd pick because of attitude, sent home at one point.
- MrPerfect316

I like Fucale but goalies are falling farther and farther because they are serious gambles, top-13 with the guys around him would require a desperate for a goalie team, or a team going with 2 firsts kind of situation.

I like Fucale but goalies are falling farther and farther because they are serious gambles, top-13 with the guys around him would require a desperate for a goalie team, or a team going with 2 firsts kind of situation.
- AdamFrench

Yeah but I think fucale has brodeur like attributes. Shuts the door when needed and can be sharp when getting no shots. Halifax is not where they are without him. I think he might be the steal of the draft.

Yeah but I think fucale has brodeur like attributes. Shuts the door when needed and can be sharp when getting no shots. Halifax is not where they are without him. I think he might be the steal of the draft.
- MrPerfect316

It won't go mentioned that much in this game that Fucale nabbed 37 saves to start against Portland.

It won't go mentioned that much in this game that Fucale nabbed 37 saves to start against Portland.
- Morris

In the first period fucale allowed the mooseheads to stay in the game. Mackinnon wanted to show he still should be considered first overall.

I agree, Mantha is one of the pure finishers in the draft and at 6'3/6'4...gotta love it.
- AdamFrench

Also stuff you gotta NOT love about him...

You know, he sat in the first round of my seven round Mock Draft until I decided that I could look at his size, stats and over-all package and convince myslef he was a sold first rounder except for one main missing ingredient:
He plays a very uninvolved physical game and when the chips are down doesn't look to go unearth pucks or challenge for pucks. Granted, you get him the puck and he has shown he has the solution to the QMJHL goalers. He can make junior defenders look bad, out reaching them and getting body position as they are for the most part smaller.

...and I actually wish him well in hopes he builds his game to be a pro.

But you have to wonder.

Over the course of the NHL Draft History, there have been plenty of teams selecting big men with hefty totals. But...nowadays, players must develop a strong defensive game as a reason to get them in the big leagues. Unless a team is starving offensievely, they don't elevate a guy like Mantha and say, "Don't worry about anything but scoring..."

Young guys buld a strong forecheck and defnesiev game so that the parent club has no reservations about calling them up, as they can be thought of as go "go-getters" until they actually show some scoring prowess, or is that offensive stalls in the bigs, they aren't a weak link, one trick pony.

So Mantha to me plays with no urgency or passion and if he isn't scoring, he isn't helping. He so reminds me of Eric Daze, who teams really never feared, because eventually his tail was beween his legs or he was disinterested in the game soutcome in terms of his on-ice passion.

If he is there when my favorite NHL club picks would I be excited if they take him?
In terms of the package, and possibe long term potential, maybe.

I think in respects the same goes for Frédérik Gauthier, who seemed to run out of gas in his season, but finally sucked it up and put out in the post season.

No one is draftng size if it comes in a package were the guys plays smaller.

But in this one of the strongest Drafts ever, you BETTER be right on him or any one of these kids, because your opponents may choice correctly and get qualitative jumps in personel while you are hoping for it.

See my entire 211 player mock at:

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2013/

Click on the player's name for the evaluation.

I like the sounds of Carrier for that 37th overall pick.

Any chance Fucale falls to the second round? If so, here's to hoping it's to 37th
- ystoil

I have Carrier at 37 and that was because of the injury, and Fucale as an early second rounder.

There are far to many good forwards and intriging defenders to select, but there is always one team that falls in love with netminder prospect and select him early.

I am polishing up and article about the Draft Tiers (and how this particular draft has more candidates in the top six tiers than any draft ever.


The only reason I am mentioning here is in reference to Fucale.

Tier Four: Players that are good value through the late first round as players who may have signficant upside in some areas, and may have solid NHL careers.

I am of the opinion there are an unprecedented sixteen players that fit this category,
That means there are easily nine players who will not be selected in that first round and translates to a group of mid-first round possibles that extends almost to the middle of the second round!

In 2003, we saw three late second rounders Patrice Bergeron, Shea Weber, and David Backus who easily could be considered impact players, along with Corey Crawford, Jimmy Howard, Matt Carle, along with early second rounder, Loui Eriksson. No other draft could compare to the second round output of 2003, but in my humble opinion 2013 may do just that. So many hockey analysts view second round picks as low rush trade currency, based on the overall success rates. These percentages are based on the overall total of "successful picks" of all recent drafts. It is important to note that each NHL draft is unique to the class of prospects that fill it.

You know, he sat in the first round of my seven round Mock Draft until I decided that I could look at his size, stats and over-all package and convince myslef he was a sold first rounder except for one main missing ingredient:
He plays a very uninvolved physical game and when the chips are down doesn't look to go unearth pucks or challenge for pucks. Granted, you get him the puck and he has shown he has the solution to the QMJHL goalers. He can make junior defenders look bad, out reaching them and getting body position as they are for the most part smaller.

...and I actually wish him well in hopes he builds his game to be a pro.

But you have to wonder.

Over the course of the NHL Draft History, there have been plenty of teams selecting big men with hefty totals. But...nowadays, players must develop a strong defensive game as a reason to get them in the big leagues. Unless a team is starving offensievely, they don't elevate a guy like Mantha and say, "Don't worry about anything but scoring..."

Young guys buld a strong forecheck and defnesiev game so that the parent club has no reservations about calling them up, as they can be thought of as go "go-getters" until they actually show some scoring prowess, or is that offensive stalls in the bigs, they aren't a weak link, one trick pony.

So Mantha to me plays with no urgency or passion and if he isn't scoring, he isn't helping. He so reminds me of Eric Daze, who teams really never feared, because eventually his tail was beween his legs or he was disinterested in the game soutcome in terms of his on-ice passion.

If he is there when my favorite NHL club picks would I be excited if they take him?
In terms of the package, and possibe long term potential, maybe.

I think in respects the same goes for Frédérik Gauthier, who seemed to run out of gas in his season, but finally sucked it up and put out in the post season.

No one is draftng size if it comes in a package were the guys plays smaller.

But in this one of the strongest Drafts ever, you BETTER be right on him or any one of these kids, because your opponents may choice correctly and get qualitative jumps in personel while you are hoping for it.

See my entire 211 player mock at:

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2013/

Click on the player's name for the evaluation.
- wiz1901

I'm not sure about Daze as the worst case, I might be more inclined to think Steve Bernier as a worst case, a guy with the size, skill, finish and net presence to BE a major factor, but if that doesn't work he'd still be a 3rd/4th line NHLer...similar as well to Eric Fehr.

But you're right, his role as primary scorer and singular scorer has detracted from his overall game in some areas and like many he isn't a "Power Forward" as we always wish to discuss it (Backes, Iginla, Lucic, Doan, Callahan, Brown and so on) but he has some major upside and his skating has drastically improved in the right direction which was critical for him.

This definition of power forward is being diluted as anybody who is 6'2 and up who can hold onto the puck seems to be a "power forward" these days.

I'm not sure about Daze as the worst case, I might be more inclined to think Steve Bernier as a worst case, a guy with the size, skill, finish and net presence to BE a major factor, but if that doesn't work he'd still be a 3rd/4th line NHLer...similar as well to Eric Fehr.

But you're right, his role as primary scorer and singular scorer has detracted from his overall game in some areas and like many he isn't a "Power Forward" as we always wish to discuss it (Backes, Iginla, Lucic, Doan, Callahan, Brown and so on) but he has some major upside and his skating has drastically improved in the right direction which was critical for him.

This definition of power forward is being diluted as anybody who is 6'2 and up who can hold onto the puck seems to be a "power forward" these days.
- AdamFrench

I agree, Adam.

I'm not sure about Daze as the worst case, I might be more inclined to think Steve Bernier as a worst case, a guy with the size, skill, finish and net presence to BE a major factor, but if that doesn't work he'd still be a 3rd/4th line NHLer...similar as well to Eric Fehr.
- AdamFrench

Worst case he is Bernier????

He has shown NO inclination to play like a guy that will get in there!

Adam, I am saying...he isn't even Bernier, or Fehr....and onece more, he is not showing any taste for being that guy...just the finesse big guy that wants YOU to gte him the puck.

They (Bernier & Fehr) make contact and go in looking FOR pucks, and this kid is hanging his hat on his scoring, with no "push" that is gonna make me as a GM select him.

If he had some Bernier, or Fehr. I take him.

Right now, he is in no way imspired or passionate enough to go in there and work, in my humble opinion.

A lot rides on how we PROJECT the entire player, because so few make a seemless transition to pro form junior, like Alex Galchenyuk a great example say for the fact he isn't a Q - drafted pick.

Does Galchenyuk NOT go in there and get pucks, make plays?
Yes he does.
Does he linger outside and expect the puck without equally baring responsibilty for turnovers? No he doesn't. Galchenyuk is not a guy anyone is ever going to called a power forward either.

There that is what Galchenyuk is ....what Mantha is unwilling to be at this point.

The term power forward never crossed my mind with him, but big guys always DO get projected that way.

I hate to keep jumping all over the place with examples, but did Logan Couture get promoted to the bigs as a one trick pony or did they slowly develop his all around game in the minor pros? AND HE played with PASSION in junior (before the mono anyway).

This kid seems lacking...and that was my entire point.

This definition of power forward is being diluted as anybody who is 6'2 and up who can hold onto the puck seems to be a "power forward" these days.
- AdamFrench

Power forward?

You misunderstand Adam.

I want him to be a regular hockey player who does all the stuff they are supposed from shift to shift, not a one way uninspired guy who isn't gonna get in there...I am not expecting a road grader...just something...and he hasn't shown it over and over and over...

Power forward?

You misunderstand Adam.

I want him to be a regular hockey player who does all the stuff they are supposed from shift to shift, not a one way uninspired guy who isn't gonna get in there...I am not expecting a road grader...just something...and he hasn't shown it over and over and over...
- wiz1901

Oh I understand, I was just pointing out my hatred of the new definition of "Power Forward" primarily. He was pretty physical in the Q playoffs which was the last time I saw him play so that has likely skewed my views on him.

Some interesting names on that list. Of course I don't suspect my Oilers to draft much more than one guy from the QMJHL and even then if it's not early I doubt they spend 4th rounders on role players from the QMJHL.

Some interesting names on that list. Of course I don't suspect my Oilers to draft much more than one guy from the QMJHL and even then if it's not early I doubt they spend 4th rounders on role players from the QMJHL.
- Lahey

If I'm not mistaken, the oilers have draft more players out of the BCHL than the QMJHL over the last five years.

Best chance would be if Fucale happened to slip to 37th. Other than that, I dunno...

If I'm not mistaken, the oilers have draft more players out of the BCHL than the QMJHL over the last five years.

Best chance would be if Fucale happened to slip to 37th. Other than that, I dunno...
- Morris

Meh they would pick some scrub from the Oil Kings for no apparent reason over him

If I'm not mistaken, the oilers have draft more players out of the BCHL than the QMJHL over the last five years.

Best chance would be if Fucale happened to slip to 37th. Other than that, I dunno...
- Morris

Just looking at some of the nasty d-men they look to be decent picks if you can get them later in the draft, but we'll end up taking those type of players out of the WHL unless someone in the Memorial Cup really catches the eye of our scouts.

Meh they would pick some scrub from the Oil Kings for no apparent reason over him
- AdamFrench

I don't think we take a goalie to be honest. MacT really wants to get some guys out of Europe that have a few more years of develop under their belt.

Just looking at some of the nasty d-men they look to be decent picks if you can get them later in the draft, but we'll end up taking those type of players out of the WHL unless someone in the Memorial Cup really catches the eye of our scouts.
- Lahey

This will be a tough draft to make good on, they'll need to have strong,realistic targets because of the hug gap between our first three and last three picks.

7th
37th
52nd
128th
158th
188th

This will be a tough draft to make good on, they'll need to have strong,realistic targets because of the hug gap between our first three and last three picks.

7th
37th
52nd
128th
158th
188th
- Morris

You guys might have a chance to actually get something done