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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:02 PM ET
it is said that fasthing can have salutary health effects.....
- isaiah520



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 17 @ 6:04 PM ET
I suppose. I guess, in the future, unless I know something for sure, I'll have to say it's not possible. Since I can't say for sure that wife isn't cheating on me while I'm at work, it's not possible that she isn't cheating on me. Guess I'll have to go home and get a divorce. (yes, extreme case)
- jmatchett383


I just want to pop in and say, you've got a lovely home
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:05 PM ET
You forgot to preface this "with the exception of Zherdev"
- Just5



Explain what you mean by this.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

May 17 @ 6:06 PM ET
I would buyout Briere and Bryzgalov.
- stveshdy

i'm open to one more yr of bryz if the options to pair w/ mason are poor, but they project to be decent enuf as it stands right now. i'm wondering if homer fails to land a real upgrade on d, will he shift his focus to one in goal and go after bernier? i wouldn't agree w/ that mindset, but i do like the plyr.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 17 @ 6:08 PM ET
Still adorable.
- bodiva88


ty.

You're still quite the looker yourself
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:08 PM ET
I'm not saying judge him. I'm open to all things.

For instance, I don't believe in God. However, since I can't prove that God (or some all-powerful being) doesn't exist 100%, I can't say it's not a possibility.

Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean you can't say it's a possibility.

- jmatchett383


That doesn't make sense in this context. Using the Carter/Hartnell rumor example that you gave. It's possible that he could've slept with his Wife, so you give the rumor some validity?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:09 PM ET
I did, you're right, and I'll admit I was incorrect in what I said.
What I meant was, is he playing the kind of hockey where the team is winning mainly because of his brilliance (Thomas, Quick) or winning because he's playign just well enough to not lose (Luongo, Niemi, Khabibulin)? You say a goalie letting in 5 goals a game instead of 8 makes him worth it. What if he only faces about 6 hard chances per night, and lets in 5 of them because the team is playing at an elite level, but the goalie is not?

- jmatchett383


You would have to take each situation on it's own merit. In the overwhelming majority of cases. If a team wins the Cup, the Goalie has generally played at a high level.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:13 PM ET
I suppose. I guess, in the future, unless I know something for sure, I'll have to say it's not possible. Since I can't say for sure that wife isn't cheating on me while I'm at work, it's not possible that she isn't cheating on me. Guess I'll have to go home and get a divorce. (yes, extreme case)
- jmatchett383


This is where you've got it wrong. I never stated that it wasn't possible for Carter to have slept with Hartnell's Wife. What I stated is that I'm not going to judge him from a far for it, when I don't know if it even happened. There is a clear distinction there.

I don't know what standard you use to judge a person. But I don't judge a player on a team, as far as off ice matters, based on rumor, speculation, or hearsay. I need more then that. I'll judge his play on the ice, because I can see that with my own eyes. Maybe you have a different standard. That's for you to decide.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 17 @ 6:13 PM ET
When you hear a rumor of off ice stuff, it's best to strongly consider the source.

For instance, if Bill writes that something is amiss between Bryz and the other players, I'm going to lean towards believing it, because he doesn't normally deal in those kind of stories.

As far as The Legion Of Poon, well, those guys party. They young, wealthy and honestly, probably are no worse than the Bullies era players or the mid 1980's guys who took the Oilers dynasty to a game seven.

But when idiots like Carchidi or Seravalli or Crossing Broad harp on that stuff, I ignore it, because they're farming for hits and readers and have nothing else to offer but salacious BS.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:14 PM ET
Set a very low price. I don't think they want Buff that bad there, and I don't think we should want him that badly here. Offer them nothing but Laughton. If they don't accept or come close to that value, then we continue in another direction. The only way we would want him here is if he comes at an incredibly cheap price.
- JAKEw1234



I wouldn't trade Laughton for Byfuglien.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:21 PM ET
It appears there will be a free live feed for tonight's Memorial Cup (not sure if it will include announcers)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/memorial-cup/
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 6:23 PM ET
When you hear a rumor of off ice stuff, it's best to strongly consider the source.

For instance, if Bill writes that something is amiss between Bryz and the other players, I'm going to lean towards believing it, because he doesn't normally deal in those kind of stories.


- Jsaquella


I believe it also. As Bill reported previously that there are some teammates who don't like Bryzgalov. I don't doubt that. But that's all it means. Nothing more. And it's made into more then that. And morphs into he's a bad guy and an off ice issue. In a locker room, there's a lot of different personalities. There is bound to be personalities that don't mesh. And won't become friendly. But they don't need to be. They just need to coexist professionally and do their jobs, and what they're paid to do. And there is no real information that points out that any fracture between Bryzgalov and any teammate, is preventing him or the other players from doing their job. And in turn hurting the team.

The following are rhetorical questions asked to illustrate a point. Anybody in you work, now or in the past, not like you? Or in school? Did that make you a problem or a bad guy?
What it really comes down to is the results on the ice. Are the results there or not. Are the results worthy of the investment made in the player. A sound argument can be made that so far, no it's not there. That is all that really matters. And the rest is just horsepoop!
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 17 @ 6:39 PM ET
I agree with what your saying but why would the Jets deal him away so cheap?
- stveshdy

If they don't like him enough and no other teams want him is the only scenario I can think of. The chances are incredibly low a deal like that would push, but that's almost the point. The deal should have to be ridiculously weighted in our direction for us to take him.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 17 @ 6:46 PM ET
I believe it also. As Bill reported previously that there are some teammates who don't like Bryzgalov. I don't doubt that. But that's all it means. Nothing more. And it's made into more then that. And morphs into he's a bad guy and an off ice issue. In a locker room, there's a lot of different personalities. There is bound to be personalities that don't mesh. And won't become friendly. But they don't need to be. They just need to coexist professionally and do their jobs, and what they're paid to do. And there is no real information that points out that any fracture between Bryzgalov and any teammate, is preventing him or the other players from doing their job. And in turn hurting the team.

The following are rhetorical questions asked to illustrate a point. Anybody in you work, now or in the past, not like you? Or in school? Did that make you a problem or a bad guy?
What it really comes down to is the results on the ice. Are the results there or not. Are the results worthy of the investment made in the player. A sound argument can be made that so far, no it's not there. That is all that really matters. And the rest is just horsepoop!

- MJL



SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 17 @ 6:50 PM ET
Whats the vibe today?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 17 @ 7:02 PM ET
Loosepucks.com ‏@loosepucks

Anthony Stolarz on the London roster sheet as the starting goalie.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 17 @ 7:07 PM ET
Loosepucks.com ‏@loosepucks

Anthony Stolarz on the London roster sheet as the starting goalie.

- ob18

Let's go Stolly!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

May 17 @ 7:10 PM ET
Let's go Stolly!
- JAKEw1234


Puck drop is just under 1 hour.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 17 @ 7:41 PM ET
I believe it also. As Bill reported previously that there are some teammates who don't like Bryzgalov. I don't doubt that. But that's all it means. Nothing more. And it's made into more then that. And morphs into he's a bad guy and an off ice issue. In a locker room, there's a lot of different personalities. There is bound to be personalities that don't mesh. And won't become friendly. But they don't need to be. They just need to coexist professionally and do their jobs, and what they're paid to do. And there is no real information that points out that any fracture between Bryzgalov and any teammate, is preventing him or the other players from doing their job. And in turn hurting the team.

The following are rhetorical questions asked to illustrate a point. Anybody in you work, now or in the past, not like you? Or in school? Did that make you a problem or a bad guy?
What it really comes down to is the results on the ice. Are the results there or not. Are the results worthy of the investment made in the player. A sound argument can be made that so far, no it's not there. That is all that really matters. And the rest is just horsepoop!

- MJL


His results are average at best.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 17 @ 7:46 PM ET
Weak goal let in by Anderson.

Crosby just took Karlsson to school.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

May 17 @ 7:51 PM ET
I don't care how many points a blue liner gets, if he is avg defensively and is not even part of the PK units, he doesn't deserve the friggin Norris
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

May 17 @ 7:56 PM ET
I don't care how many points a blue liner gets, if he is avg defensively and is not even part of the PK units, he doesn't deserve the friggin Norris
- KINGKENZO

don't forget, he's still a young plyr.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 17 @ 7:58 PM ET
His results are average at best.
- stveshdy


Agreed. The results need to get better. Regardless of the reasons why. That should be the only factor, because we know that for a fact, in deciding what to do with the goaltending situation. The rest is horse manure.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 17 @ 8:04 PM ET
Agreed. The results need to get better. Regardless of the reasons why. That should be the only factor, because we know that for a fact, in deciding what to do with the goaltending situation. The rest is horse manure.
- MJL


I honestly don't care about anything off the ice (unless the police are involved). I look at the production on the ice and the goaltender hasn't been good enough. We can put blame on the defense (team included) or the injuries but Bryz has been average at best since being signed here. The Flyers aren't getting enough production on the ice to warrant that contract. Sometimes you have to cut bait and move on from the mistake.

By the way this is just my speculation but some of his comments are coming off as if he wants to leave the Flyers.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

May 17 @ 8:05 PM ET
Loosepucks.com ‏@loosepucks

Anthony Stolarz on the London roster sheet as the starting goalie.

- ob18

Here's his shot, surprised they put him back out there after they won 3 (?) straight with patterson.

Don't give the coach another shot to put you on the bench kid.
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