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Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

May 16 @ 7:25 PM ET
I could see us trading him to ANA

for Fowler, Etem and a 1st. that wouldn't be a horrible deal IMO for either side.

- SuperHenderson13

Bobby Ryan!
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 7:31 PM ET
Which is why I said not to trade him. As good as he is, Malkin will always be second fiddle to Crosby (assuming he stays healthy). Plus, the return for Malkin would be...wow. If you traded him to a team that needs a Marquee player to promote the team (Florida), imagine the return. Huberdeau, the 2nd overall pick (MacKinnon), and Markstrom to start. Maybe also Weiss and another 1st rounder. I know it probably sounds crazy, but I think Letang is the smarter money.
- jmatchett383


Problem with that sort of trade for Malkin, is if Huberdeau and MacKinnon pan out like we hope, they together in 3 years would make more than Malkin. Instead of 2 forwards with big cap hits, you'd have 3.

You'll never get full value for a guy like Malkin, and if you did somehow, you'd be in a worse cap situation than if you just extended him.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 16 @ 7:37 PM ET
Bobby Ryan!
- Orpik44

no thanks. sounds like he wants to go to NJ or PHI. His contract expires at either the same time or the year after Letang's does. a risk I don't want to take.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 16 @ 7:41 PM ET
Problem with that sort of trade for Malkin, is if Huberdeau and MacKinnon pan out like we hope, they together in 3 years would make more than Malkin. Instead of 2 forwards with big cap hits, you'd have 3.

You'll never get full value for a guy like Malkin, and if you did somehow, you'd be in a worse cap situation than if you just extended him.

- rival22

you aren't going to get full value for Malkin. some teams don't have those kinds of assets and most others aren't willing to move those assets to get 1 guy.

IF we had to trade one, and I don't think now is that time (I think there will be a time when we will trade one), you trade letang. You have to trust the scouting of this organization.

one day, we could have,

Despres-Poliout (sp?)
Maata-Harrington
Dumolin-someone else

that's a pretty damn good defensive core if they all pan out the way they are expected to.

personally, I think you see guys like Oprik, Kennedy, Engelland, Niskanen, etc. traded before you see either Letang or Malkin.

Shero needs to be smart with the cap coming down. The Pens' assistant GM is one of the best in the business when it comes to number crunching. pemguins gotta figure out how to maximize their salary cap effectiveness.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 16 @ 8:36 PM ET
and of the following teams, who makes the big move first?

VAN, PHI, WSH, STL?

my money's on Vancouver.

- SuperHenderson13


Vancouver without question. One look at that roster, they have a mess in goal - Schneider might have anxiety problems in the playoffs all the sudden ... Kessler is on the IR more than he plays; when your leading goal scorer in a shortened season is Alex Burrows with 13 and you really don't have a top shelf Dman - they have a bunch of twos and threes.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 16 @ 8:37 PM ET
Bobby Ryan!
- Orpik44


This is a pass
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 16 @ 8:39 PM ET
Problem with that sort of trade for Malkin, is if Huberdeau and MacKinnon pan out like we hope, they together in 3 years would make more than Malkin. Instead of 2 forwards with big cap hits, you'd have 3.

You'll never get full value for a guy like Malkin, and if you did somehow, you'd be in a worse cap situation than if you just extended him.

- rival22



I don't know why people are even considering the notion of trading the second best player in the league. He is tougher to replace and you won't get fair value. Letang is a great Dman, but with our pipeline of defensemen and let's face it, you have a chance to replace Letang easier than Malkin - he is the guy you deal, if you have to.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 16 @ 8:43 PM ET
I do not want to play the rangers right now henrik is feeling it.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 16 @ 8:43 PM ET
I don't know why people are even considering the notion of trading the second best player in the league. He is tougher to replace and you won't get fair value. Letang is a great Dman, but with our pipeline of defensemen and let's face it, you have a chance to replace Letang easier than Malkin - he is the guy you deal, if you have to.
- Oneonta Penguin


Thankfully, Shero feels the same way you do.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 16 @ 8:44 PM ET
Vancouver without question. One look at that roster, they have a mess in goal - Schneider might have anxiety problems in the playoffs all the sudden ... Kessler is on the IR more than he plays; when your leading goal scorer in a shortened season is Alex Burrows with 13 and you really don't have a top shelf Dman - they have a bunch of twos and threes.
- Oneonta Penguin

If you consider Lou to be a big move because that's the first thing that team is doing.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 16 @ 8:47 PM ET
I do not want to play the rangers right now henrik is feeling it.
- Genev21


I'm not sure it's possible for 2 PP's to look worse than what the Rags and Bruins just put on the ice.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 16 @ 8:54 PM ET
I'm not sure it's possible for 2 PP's to look worse than what the Rags and Bruins just put on the ice.
- madmike71

Henrik can win series by himself when you play him right now it seems like all the rangers need is one
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 8:57 PM ET
I don't know why people are even considering the notion of trading the second best player in the league. He is tougher to replace and you won't get fair value. Letang is a great Dman, but with our pipeline of defensemen and let's face it, you have a chance to replace Letang easier than Malkin - he is the guy you deal, if you have to.
- Oneonta Penguin


Oh, absolutely.... you don't trade a player like Malkin unless your franchise goes to poop financially and you have to (see Gretzky & Jagr), or he makes it clear that he's not resigning.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 16 @ 9:00 PM ET
Henrik can win series by himself when you play him right now it seems like all the rangers need is one
- Genev21


You jinxed his ass... Keep it up!

No doubt he's a good goalie, but as far as this game goes, he's not exactly been challenged too much. He's not exactly stoned the Pens much.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 16 @ 9:04 PM ET
PP for Rags means Pooper play. Ouch....that was bad.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 16 @ 9:30 PM ET
You jinxed his ass... Keep it up!

No doubt he's a good goalie, but as far as this game goes, he's not exactly been challenged too much. He's not exactly stoned the Pens much.

- madmike71

Yea that was a fluky one
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 16 @ 9:33 PM ET
Henrik can win series by himself when you play him right now it seems like all the rangers need is one
- Genev21


While they have one tonight, in most cases the Rangers couldn't get score with a fist full of 50s in their hands.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 16 @ 9:41 PM ET
not going to lie, if we had to pick boston or ny rangers, i'd probably pick ny rangers.

rangers are not a great team outside of hank. we have decent numbers against hank. they are not to be taken lightly, but I still would prefer them over boston. boston would be a war.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
Neal must be the luckiest guy on earth. His carreer so far has been made playing with great stars/set up centermen. First B.Richards on his prime playing LW and now Malkin and occasionally Crosby.
- Orpik44


If you're 6'+, can skate well, have a canon shot and lightning quick release, you will always get a good center.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

May 16 @ 9:54 PM ET
not going to lie, if we had to pick boston or ny rangers, i'd probably pick ny rangers.

rangers are not a great team outside of hank. we have decent numbers against hank. they are not to be taken lightly, but I still would prefer them over boston. boston would be a war.

- SuperHenderson13

No doubt, Super. Boston is a more complete team than the Rangers. I want no part of them if I could choose...but again, we did quite well against them.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 16 @ 9:56 PM ET
No doubt, Super. Boston is a more complete team than the Rangers. I want no part of them if I could choose...but again, we did quite well against them.
- Orpik44



I go back and forth on this. It all depends on the mood of Lucic. If he cares, Boston is a tough out. If he doesn't, like he didn't for 85% of the season, I'd want to deal with them - even moreso than the Islanders.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 9:57 PM ET
Jagr looks as tired and wore out as he did last year in the playoffs.

If he finds work next season, he's gotta be given nights off during the season, and he probably won't go for that.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

May 16 @ 9:58 PM ET
If you're 6'+, can skate well, have a canon shot and lightning quick release, you will always get a good center.
- rival22

For sure...but he got two of the best at playmaking, that's what I meant. B.Richards is a great passer. Malkin is pretty good too. He could get Weiss, Roy or J.Staal instead...
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 10:02 PM ET
not going to lie, if we had to pick boston or ny rangers, i'd probably pick ny rangers.

rangers are not a great team outside of hank. we have decent numbers against hank. they are not to be taken lightly, but I still would prefer them over boston. boston would be a war.

- SuperHenderson13


It's tough.... Boston looked tired at the end of the season, and at times against the Leafs. If they make it through the physical Rangers, they could be spent, like the Canes in 2009.

Only thing that makes me hesitant, is that there are a lot of guys in that room who know what it takes to win a Cup. The rags don't have that.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 16 @ 10:04 PM ET
Hank has let in two somewhat softies.... Boston has to get a win out of this one tonight, it's not going to happen many more times this series.
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