As long as it's not this guy:


- jmatchett383

Pshaw you say!

Jim Cramer told me that Dykstra is a financial genius!

Goaltending is also the most volatile position in terms of level of play from year-to-year, and there isn't that much difference in terms of talent from the 5th best goaltender to the 15th best goaltender.

There's a lot of room for value at this position. It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend big there unless you have a guy like Lundqvist.

Build a team that plays well in front of him, and you can make almost any NHL-caliber goalie look good.
- bradleyc4

I don't agree with that. If that was true, a lot of teams would walk away from a lot of Goalies. Instead of signing them to the deals they do. You get what you pay for sometimes. That's the risk. You sometimes don't get what you pay for. Also a risk. I do not suscribe to the theory that the goaltender position is an area where you should cut corners.

Could any of that money go towards resigning giroux, schenn, and coots?
- twotoekenn

For this upcoming Season, no? Future cap space could certainly be used for that.

I don't agree with that. If that was true, a lot of teams would walk away from a lot of Goalies. Instead of signing them to the deals they do. You get what you pay for sometimes. That's the risk. You sometimes don't get what you pay for. Also a risk. I do not describe to the theory that the goaltender position is an area where you should cut corners.
- MJL

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Let's recap... Briere doesn't want to move, and has no ill-will towards the Flyers (management or players). The Flyers hold no real ill-will towards Danny besides his cap hit (and some may argue his slightly declining level of play).

It's clear to me - what about... Buy out Briere. He becomes a UFA. He resigns with the Flyers for a reasonable, cap friendly amount. Sure Briere takes a potential large salary cut, but he's the one unwilling to move. This may sound good to him - especially if he gets an indication that no nearby teams want him. It's not like the Flyers won't pay him, just at a reduced amount. Briere at ~$3MM, is a lot better then $6MM cap hit.

I'm not sure if this is allow under the CBA?

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- Doc_Sarcasm

You got the point didn't you?

You got the point didn't you?
- MJL

do you have a newsletter? If so, I'm interested.

Goaltending is also the most volatile position in terms of level of play from year-to-year, and there isn't that much difference in terms of talent from the 5th best goaltender to the 15th best goaltender.

There's a lot of room for value at this position. It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend big there unless you have a guy like Lundqvist.

Build a team that plays well in front of him, and you can make almost any NHL-caliber goalie look good.
- bradleyc4

That sounds suspiciously like the approach of Robert Earl Clarke when he was the GM.

Let's recap... Briere doesn't want to move, and has no ill-will towards the Flyers (management or players). The Flyers hold no real ill-will towards Danny besides his cap hit (and some may argue his slightly declining level of play).

It's clear to me - what about... Buy out Briere. He becomes a UFA. He resigns with the Flyers for a reasonable, cap friendly amount. Sure Briere takes a potential large salary cut, but he's the one unwilling to move. This may sound good to him - especially if he gets an indication that no nearby teams want him. It's not like the Flyers won't pay him, just at a reduced amount. Briere at ~$3MM, is a lot better then $6MM cap hit.

I'm not sure if this is allow under the CBA?
- leon neon

A player cannot play for a team that bought him out for one Season after the buyout.
Think about how that would be blatant Cap circumvention.

Let's recap... Briere doesn't want to move, and has no ill-will towards the Flyers (management or players). The Flyers hold no real ill-will towards Danny besides his cap hit (and some may argue his slightly declining level of play).

It's clear to me - what about... Buy out Briere. He becomes a UFA. He resigns with the Flyers for a reasonable, cap friendly amount. Sure Briere takes a potential large salary cut, but he's the one unwilling to move. This may sound good to him - especially if he gets an indication that no nearby teams want him. It's not like the Flyers won't pay him, just at a reduced amount. Briere at ~$3MM, is a lot better then $6MM cap hit.

I'm not sure if this is allow under the CBA?
- leon neon

That's a no-no in the CBA

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That sounds suspiciously like the approach of Robert Earl Clarke when he was the GM.
- johndewar

Been tried many times. But yet the stigma is that goaltending is always an issue in Philly.

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That's a no-no in the CBA

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- Jimmygrazz

I like my idea better. Trade him and "future considerations" (or current considerations) to a team that is not in a place where they need a compliance buyout. Have them buy him out, and the Flyers can resign him.

Cap circumvention? Ablosutely. Specifically outlawed in the CBA? Not so sure.

I don't agree with that. If that was true, a lot of teams would walk away from a lot of Goalies. Instead of signing them to the deals they do. You get what you pay for sometimes. That's the risk. You sometimes don't get what you pay for. Also a risk. I do not suscribe to the theory that the goaltender position is an area where you should cut corners.
- MJL

Agree to disagree.

I like my idea better. Trade him and "future considerations" (or current considerations) to a team that is not in a place where they need a compliance buyout. Have them buy him out, and the Flyers can resign him.

Cap circumvention? Ablosutely. Specifically outlawed in the CBA? Not so sure.
- jmatchett383

Legal to my knowledge. No all you need to do is find a team willing to shell out about 3.5M or so for a player that isn't going to play for them. Those considerations better be lofty.

Agree to disagree.
- bradleyc4

All you have to do is look back at Flyers history. Don't have to go back that far.

The Rangers are the only remaining playoff team that has a starting goaltender with a cap hit over $3.8 million.
- bradleyc4

quick goes to $5.8MM nxt yr so...

Goaltending is also the most volatile position in terms of level of play from year-to-year, and there isn't that much difference in terms of talent from the 5th best goaltender to the 15th best goaltender.

There's a lot of room for value at this position. It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend big there unless you have a guy like Lundqvist.

Build a team that plays well in front of him, and you can make almost any NHL-caliber goalie look good.
- bradleyc4

This is just my idiot opinion and I reserve the right to be wrong*, but... In my idiot opinion, the Flyers would've won the Cup if they hadnt run out of healthy defensemen in the Conference Finals in '03/'04.






*memory is largely fiction, but in my fictitious memory I recall virtually everyone on the Flyers blueline going down by the end of that series against Tampa.

Legal to my knowledge. No all you need to do is find a team willing to shell out about 3.5M or so for a player that isn't going to play for them. Those considerations better be lofty.
- MJL

Can't you also include a a portion of a player's salary in a trade (like 1/3-2/3)?

I like my idea better. Trade him and "future considerations" (or current considerations) to a team that is not in a place where they need a compliance buyout. Have them buy him out, and the Flyers can resign him.

Cap circumvention? Ablosutely. Specifically outlawed in the CBA? Not so sure.
- jmatchett383

I think you have a better chance of buying him out, him signing with someone else, and possibly picking him back up at the TDL next season.

This is just my idiot opinion and I reserve the right to be wrong*, but... In my idiot opinion, the Flyers would've won the Cup if they hadnt run out of healthy defensemen in the Conference Finals in '03/'04.






*memory is largely fiction, but in my fictitious memory I recall virtually everyone on the Flyers blueline going down by the end of that series against Tampa.
- Doc_Sarcasm

They did. That's why Sami Kapanen was playing defense. Kim Jonsson played but was basically dead. I think Desjardins, Weinrich, and Therien were out.

Can't you also include a a portion of a player's salary in a trade (like 1/3-2/3)?
- jmatchett383

Sure, but that money goes on the team's cap that is retaining the salary.

By all means, trade him, buy him out, rocket him to the moon, whatever gets him off the team and off the ledger.

Nobody embodies the lack of discipline, inattention to detail, boneheadedness, and casual two-way play that has plagued the Flyers for years more than Hartsy.
- Tomahawk

and yet he has been the only constant on the first line, has been a 20 goal scorer over the course of his 6 seasons here. An average of 23 though he had 8 in an injury impacted season this year.
He fights, he scores, he adds personality.

The Flyers have issues to fix this offseason, those fixes should not start with Hartnell.

I think you have a better chance of buying him out, him signing with someone else, and possibly picking him back up at the TDL next season.
- Jimmygrazz

Well there's an even better option. Buy him out, have someone else sign him cheap (secret 3-way meeting) and have him traded back for said considerations.

I think you have a better chance of buying him out, him signing with someone else, and possibly picking him back up at the TDL next season.
- Jimmygrazz

The Flyers would not be allowed to trade for Briere at next Season's TDL if they buy him out in June.