No, if they win it will get swept aside, until the first loss.

I'm not even talking about that, I'm just saying that Bryzgalov doesn't sound like he's all that excited to remain a Flyer or stay in Philly. It's not even about the resulting issues that such comments could bring. He seems like he'd like to be elsewhere. It's all my opinion.

I could be wrong, but he does know how to simply say, "No comment"
- Jsaquella

I think Bryz is probably the sort of person who isnt terribly happy anywhere.

I'm going to go all politically incorrect here, but does anyone ever remember seeing a Happy-go-Lucky Russian? Its like they've made brooding into a performance art or national characteristic.

He isn't planting any seeds. He's just being who he is. This situation is becoming eerily familiar. And it's as much nonsense that is being overblown as that was.
- MJL

All I'm saying is he seems like a guy who doesn't want to be here. Not saying the media will drive him out or that fans will jump ship and not buy tickets. Just saying that IMO, Bryzgalov seems like a guy is would be happy to take a CBO and head elsewhere.

Really doesn't have anything to do with the team or organization.

I think Bryz is probably the sort of person who isnt terribly happy anywhere.

I'm going to go all politically incorrect here, but does anyone ever remember seeing a Happy-go-Lucky Russian? Its like they've made brooding into a performance art or national characteristic.
- Doc_Sarcasm

No, the Russian people are not traditionally a "fun" people.

That said, Bryzgalov isn't a typical Russian athlete, who are often times much more guarded than Bryzgalov.

No, if they win it will get swept aside, until the first loss.

I'm not even talking about that, I'm just saying that Bryzgalov doesn't sound like he's all that excited to remain a Flyer or stay in Philly. It's not even about the resulting issues that such comments could bring. He seems like he'd like to be elsewhere. It's all my opinion.

I could be wrong, but he does know how to simply say, "No comment"
- Jsaquella

It's more like he doesn't know how to say "no comment". He speaks his mind. I like that about him.

I think Bryz is probably the sort of person who isnt terribly happy anywhere.

I'm going to go all politically incorrect here, but does anyone ever remember seeing a Happy-go-Lucky Russian? Its like they've made brooding into a performance art or national characteristic.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I keep saying the same thing. The guy is a strange guy. And he has a lot of quirks to his personality. And has trouble relating what he wants to say, and so he is misunderstood at times.

I keep saying the same thing. The guy is a strange guy. And he has a lot of quirks to his personality. And has trouble relating what he wants to say, and so he is misunderstood at times.
- MJL

I remember Les Bowen saying, back when he was a Flyers beat writer, that the only Russian player that he knew of who was sincerely happy to play in Philly was Dmitri Yushkevich.


And speaking of Flyers beat writers, is it possible that two or three of them could be bought out and sent elsewhere? I could do without Carchidi, Seravalli and that guy who writes for the Wilmingtion Snooze Journal.

It's more like he doesn't know how to say "no comment". He speaks his mind. I like that about him.
- MJL

Liking him and having the opinion that he doesn't want to stay aren't mutually exclusive. I like him, quite a lot. I think he's an interesting guy with a really interesting take on things. I also think he's a good goalie.

That said, I feel his preference is to be elsewhere next season. Not saying it'll happen, not saying I want it to happen, not saying that his comments will cause it to happen.

I remember Les Bowen saying, back when he was a Flyers beat writer, that the only Russian player that he knew of who was sincerely happy to play in Philly was Dmitri Yushkevich.


And speaking of Flyers beat writers, is it possible that two or three of them could be bought out and sent elsewhere? I could do without Carchidi, Seravalli and that guy who writes for the Wilmingtion Snooze Journal.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I'd like to see most of them gone. I'll read Meltzer before any of the MSM.

Liking him and having the opinion that he doesn't want to stay aren't mutually exclusive. I like him, quite a lot. I think he's an interesting guy with a really interesting take on things. I also think he's a good goalie.

That said, I feel his preference is to be elsewhere next season. Not saying it'll happen, not saying I want it to happen, not saying that his comments will cause it to happen.
- Jsaquella

Unless a free feed is available you will miss them on Saturday

Liking him and having the opinion that he doesn't want to stay aren't mutually exclusive. I like him, quite a lot. I think he's an interesting guy with a really interesting take on things. I also think he's a good goalie.

That said, I feel his preference is to be elsewhere next season. Not saying it'll happen, not saying I want it to happen, not saying that his comments will cause it to happen.
- Jsaquella

I agree they aren't mutually exclusive. But I don't see anything that points to him having a preference to be elsewhere. Like I said previously, if he wanted out. I don't think we'd have to speculate. We'd know it.

Here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you

Firstly, let me say that I think we'll be keeping Bryz for next year and buying him out the year after. Here's my theory. It's obvious that Bryz doesn't like the media here, and we all here can agree that Bryz is a very intelligent person naturally. What if he understands his situation so well that this is part of a plan. He understands the enormous size of his contract better than anyone. He understands that he hasn't met expectations up to this point. He knows that he is being considered for being bought out, just as Briere realizes it. All he would have to do is open the internet to figure that out. Maybe he is fueling the media on purpose. He knows that there are other teams that will be willing to make a new contract. He most likely knows that Mason is a serious competitor for his starting spot, and knows that he is not the goalie of the Flyers' future. He can tell that just from looking at how old Mason is vs. Mason's level of play so far. He know's he's on his way out, so he's just trying to fuel the media and create another reason for management to buy him out so he can take his massive payday all at once and move on to another team. Maybe all of this fire is intentional and he's actually duping everyone right now

Here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you

Firstly, let me say that I think we'll be keeping Bryz for next year and buying him out the year after. Here's my theory. It's obvious that Bryz doesn't like the media here, and we all here can agree that Bryz is a very intelligent person naturally. What if he understands his situation so well that this is part of a plan. He understands the enormous size of his contract better than anyone. He understands that he hasn't met expectations up to this point. He knows that he is being considered for being bought out, just as Briere realizes it. All he would have to do is open the internet to figure that out. Maybe he is fueling the media on purpose. He knows that there are other teams that will be willing to make a new contract. He most likely knows that Mason is a serious competitor for his starting spot, and knows that he is not the goalie of the Flyers' future. He can tell that just from looking at how old Mason is vs. Mason's level of play so far. He know's he's on his way out, so he's just trying to fuel the media and create another reason for management to buy him out so he can take his massive payday all at once and move on to another team. Maybe all of this fire is intentional and he's actually duping everyone right now
- JAKEw1234

You know if he burns his bridges behind him here, there probably won't be a massive payday anywhere else. Not only will have had a mediocre track record in the supposed prime of his career, but he's going to be labelled as a malcontent as well. There are already two former teammates in Phoenix who ripped him, and you know he'll have his share of detractors from teammates here as well. I dont think there is any chance of a big payday down the road.

You know if he burns his bridges behind him here, there probably won't be a massive payday anywhere else. Not only will have had a mediocre track record in the supposed prime of his career, but he's going to be labelled as a malcontent as well. There are already two former teammates in Phoenix who ripped him, and you know he'll have his share of detractors from teammates here as well. I dont think there is any chance of a big payday down the road.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Yea, if that's Bryzgalov's master plan. It's not a good one. But honestly, he's not that calculated. And doesn't put much thought into what he says. He just fires from the hip.

He has the same genetic defect that I have. There is no filter between his brain and his mouth!

He isn't planting any seeds. He's just being who he is. This situation is becoming eerily familiar. And it's as much nonsense that is being overblown as that was.
- MJL

i usually agree with this line of thinking, but I also dont think you can 100% discount this kind of stuff

you are right with it becoming eerily familiar.
I remember myself, you and others spending months ripping the Carter/Richards will be traded rumors as ridiculous (whether it be for off-ice stuff or hockey reasons). We both said how there is no way the team would trade its young captain and top goal scorer shortly after extending them to massive deals.

You know if he burns his bridges behind him here, there probably won't be a massive payday anywhere else. Not only will have had a mediocre track record in the supposed prime of his career, but he's going to be labelled as a malcontent as well. There are already two former teammates in Phoenix who ripped him, and you know he'll have his share of detractors from teammates here as well. I dont think there is any chance of a big payday down the road.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I think T.O has taught us that it takes a lot of strikes before an entire league will give up on someone based on personality. He won't get a massive payday elsewhere, but maybe he believes that (what is it, 34mil?) upfront far makes up for that.

I think T.O has taught us that it takes a lot of strikes before an entire league will give up on someone based on personality. He won't get a massive payday elsewhere, but maybe he believes that (what is it, 34mil?) upfront far makes up for that.
- JAKEw1234

T.O. at one time had Hall of Fame level skills. I dont think anyone is accusing Bryzgalov of that kind of talent these days.

i usually agree with this line of thinking, but I also dont think you can 100% discount this kind of stuff

you are right with it becoming eerily familiar.
I remember myself, you and others spending months ripping the Carter/Richards will be traded rumors as ridiculous (whether it be for off-ice stuff or hockey reasons). We both said how there is no way the team would trade its young captain and top goal scorer shortly after extending them to massive deals.
- Crimsoninja

Two different subjects and point of views. There's looking at off ice stuff, and speculating on rumors, scuttlebutt, and gossip. And attacking a players character when there is no direct proof.

Versus strictly Hockey matters. I did say that I thought there was no way they would trade either player. That made sense to me at the time. Looking after the trades were made, in hindsight. It made sense for Hockey reasons to trade both players. Won't get into specifics.

In terms of Bryzgalov, and whether the Flyers keep him, or buy him out. There is enough to consider in terms of pure Hockey reasons. Such as the results, and the new contract rules that weren't in place when the deal was signed. Then to get involved in the same speculation. And I haven't said, other then I think he's going to get at least one more Season. That there is no way the Flyers are going to buyout Bryzgalov. In fact I said multiple times, that I would not be in the least surprised if they do buy him out in June. And roll the dice with Mason. That's seems like something they would do. But it would be for Hockey reasons, and the contract. And not about any of this other nonsense.

Two different subjects and point of views. There's looking at off ice stuff, and speculating on rumors, scuttlebutt, and gossip. And attacking a players character when there is no direct proof.

Versus strictly Hockey matters. I did say that I thought there was no way they would trade either player. That made sense to me at the time. Looking after the trades were made. It made sense for Hockey reasons to trade both players. Won't get into specifics.

In terms of Bryzgalov, and whether the Flyers keep him, or buy him out. There is enough to consider in terms of pure Hockey reasons. Such as the results, and the new contract rules that weren't in place when the deal was signed. Then to get involved in the same speculation. And I haven't said, other then I think he's going to get at least one more Season. That there is no way the Flyers are going to buyout Bryzgalov. In fact I said multiple times, that I would not be in the least surprised if they do buy him out in June. And roll the dice with Mason. That's seems like something they would do. But it would be for Hockey reasons, and the contract. And not about any of this other nonsense.
- MJL

that's all fine. I have no idea what bryz is thinking...and I agree, its foolish to assume the guy 100% wants out.. but I also think its foolish to assume a player does not want out of a situation because he hasnt said those exact words on the record.

you seem to want to put situations in black and white, which is a good perspective at times.. but it can obscure things at times as well, imo.

attitude and behavior and chemistry and willingness to buy into an organizational philosphy, etc -- im not sure if you consider those off-ice, non hockey related matters... but i'd be willing to bet that some of them factored into some of the recent major Flyers trades

Im not saying that Bryz is lacking or failing in any of these areas specifically
but if you dont think those things are considered by the front office when evaluating his situation, i think its shortsighted.

i usually agree with this line of thinking, but I also dont think you can 100% discount this kind of stuff

you are right with it becoming eerily familiar.
I remember myself, you and others spending months ripping the Carter/Richards will be traded rumors as ridiculous (whether it be for off-ice stuff or hockey reasons). We both said how there is no way the team would trade its young captain and top goal scorer shortly after extending them to massive deals.
- Crimsoninja

I don't think he's planting any seeds. I think that he's being honest. Nobody's directly asked him about the team or organization. When they have asked about the possibility of a CBO, he's said it's not his decision.

I do agree that if it's done it will be because of performance/cap reasons and not because he ripped the media.

Having seen and read the interviews he's given since the season ended, I don't see a guy that really wants to stay. For a guy that wants to stay, he's sure taking quite a few potshots. Not just at the media, but saying the city is old, dirty and full of "ghettos" and "people who don't want to work" is hardly a ringing endorsement.

IMO, he sounds like a guy getting his shots in before he's gone.
- Jsaquella

It's pretty clear he is both smart and a (frank)ing idiot.

Yeah I think Letang walks...
- FlyersGrace

Memo to Max: GO TALK TO YOUR BOY!!!?

Memo to Max: GO TALK TO YOUR BOY!!!?
- KINGKENZO

sick player but god i hate him

I don't think he's planting any seeds. I think that he's being honest. Nobody's directly asked him about the team or organization. When they have asked about the possibility of a CBO, he's said it's not his decision.

I do agree that if it's done it will be because of performance/cap reasons and not because he ripped the media.
- Jsaquella

Anyone remember Bobby Clarke telling Panotch that the reason none of the Flyers' players or trainers wanted to talk to him was that he was an @-hole? Good times.

that's all fine. I have no idea what bryz is thinking...and I agree, its foolish to assume the guy 100% wants out.. but I also think its foolish to assume a player does not want out of a situation because he hasnt said those exact words on the record.


- Crimsoninja

I'm not assuming that he does not want out of a situation. I'm saying that there is nothing that he has said that leads me to believe that he wants out. And that based on his personality, I think he would make it clear if he wants out.

you seem to want to put situations in black and white, which is a good perspective at times.. but it can obscure things at times as well, imo.

attitude and behavior and chemistry and willingness to buy into an organizational philosphy, etc -- im not sure if you consider those off-ice, non hockey related matters... but i'd be willing to bet that some of them factored into some of the recent major Flyers trades


- Crimsoninja

I don't like to speculate on off ice matters and label and judge a player, based on hearsay, photos on the internet, rumors, gossip, etc. I don't think that's fair. Darren Daulton was on the radio the other day, saying he's glad the internet, cell phone cameras' etc, weren't around when he played. Because him and his teammates were out gallivanting around every night just about. And who knows what would have made it's way onto the internet. My basic philosophy is if I don't know it for a fact. I give the benefit of the doubt. I think that's the fair way to be. And there's been plenty of examples where off ice issues have caused teams to move players. So I do consider that. But only if I have the facts to do so.

Im not saying that Bryz is lacking or failing in any of these areas specifically
but if you dont think those things are considered by the front office when evaluating his situation, i think its shortsighted.
- Crimsoninja

I don't think things like the recent interview he gave, factors into managements decisions. Now how he behaves in the locker room, interacts with his teammates. That is most definitely considered. But again, I don't have the facts when it comes to that, to make an informed opinion on any of that. Which is why I stick to what I do know. And that's the play on the ice. Contract situations, and issues that I have the facts on.

I don't buy into any of the TMZ stuff. Same as with the Richard/Carter situation. Where after the fact, 98% of it, turned out to be complete crap.

Bottom line is Bryzgalov has to stop the puck. I'd much rather debate how that can happen, then any of this other nonsense.

my first ever segmented-MJL-response!
i will go read it now