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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 15 @ 12:31 PM ET
Sure, its 8 years, but its only 4 million a year. Can you sit there and say a team like Columbus or Florida, or any small market team that would have difficulty signing him, wouldn't want to give something just to get him... And wouldn't buffalo rather take a 7th rounder then playing 2/3rds of his salary?
- youarewrong

I could be mistaken, but Buffalo's new(ish?) ownership doesn't seem to mind slinging cash dollars to improve their team. I just don't see trading him as an easy task. That's a lot of years for a trade partner to accept.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
Three words: Cap. Advantage. Recapture.
- Tomahawk

Hadn't thought of that, yikes.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
Can e hire neidermeyer to coach d how to join the play responsibly. Like voynov goal last night
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
I think Buffalo could trade Ehrhoff so a buyout seems unlikely, IMO. I don't think we'll see all that many good players get bought out.
- NickTheKid87



You have to figure that only guys with significant cap-hits will be considered for compliance buyouts, and in most cases, they must have been pretty good players (at one point, at least) to get offered big contracts. So, I'd content, aside from the odd Komisarek or Ville Leino, there will probably be some decent players without a home with the cap coming down 10% abruptly.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 15 @ 12:42 PM ET
So the Flyers are getting Erhoff and Shattenkirk? Who are they trading to get those players besides Coburn and Meszaros?
- MJL


Actually I'll take the bait and a crack at this...

For unsigned Shattenkirk. Couturier and 2013 second rounder. Hitchcock would kill for Couturier, they need forwards more then defense, and they have too many FA's. Good deal for both teams.

For Ehrhoff, Flyers 2013 11th overall pick for Ehroff and Buffalo 16th overall pick.

Then hopefully you can trade Coburn for 1st and 3rd and Meszaros for 2nd and 3rd.

NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 15 @ 12:47 PM ET
You have to figure that only guys with significant cap-hits will be considered for compliance buyouts, and in most cases, they must have been pretty good players (at one point, at least) to get offered big contracts. So, I'd content, aside from the odd Komisarek or Ville Leino, there will probably be some decent players without a home with the cap coming down 10% abruptly.
- Tomahawk


I just don't know if we'll see anyone better than a Komisarek or a Leino.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 15 @ 12:49 PM ET
For unsigned Shattenkirk. Couturier and 2013 second rounder. Hitchcock would kill for Couturier, they need forwards more then defense, and they have too many FA's. Good deal for both teams.
- youarewrong


Hitch already has a perennial Selke candidate in David Backes... where's the burning need to add Couturier?

Not to mention they don't have anybody groomed to replace Shattenkirk.



Ehrhoff and Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo? More likely, the Flyers will end up with their choice of Liles, Kaberle and Ballard, lol.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

May 15 @ 12:49 PM ET
Not sure if anyone saw Bryz comments or latest ones...but anyhow. There is no way he plays another season in Philly just cant see it. To me Bryz has been making to many underhanded comments, just seems like a guy that doesnt want to play here anymore. I think you see Mason as the starter and a veteran backup. For one Mason is a better one on one goaltender which is important when playing Lavy's system plus a much better puck handler. I think the Flyers can find a taker for Bryz too especially if they eat say 1 mil or 1.5mil of his deal.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 15 @ 12:49 PM ET
Actually I'll take the bait and a crack at this...

For unsigned Shattenkirk. Couturier and 2013 second rounder. Hitchcock would kill for Couturier, they need forwards more then defense, and they have too many FA's. Good deal for both teams.

For Ehrhoff, Flyers 2013 11th overall pick for Ehroff and Buffalo 16th overall pick.

Then hopefully you can trade Coburn for 1st and 3rd and Meszaros for 2nd and 3rd.

- youarewrong

Buff would not give up ehroff and 16 to move up 5 spots. Coburn not getting a 1st.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 15 @ 12:52 PM ET
Anthony SF has an excellent interview with Marc-Andre Bourdon on the Flyers' official site. Lots of in-depth stuff on the hell MAB has been going through in his attempt to recover from post-concussion syndrome:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=670514

- bmeltzer


Wow. Great article. Some of my favorites from it.

"Bourdon has to endure the monotony of eye exercises for five hours each day. It’s an incredibly lonely and tedious endeavor, but one that Bourdon has accepted." (emphasis added)

"When they were on the ice last year and practicing and playing in the playoffs and I was off to the side throwing a tennis ball to myself against a wall, it was not fun. It was lonely. Yes, when you are hurt you have to recover by yourself. Even though you have the trainers the exercises and all the resources, you still have to do it by yourself. Nobody can force you to do it. You have to do it. You have to do it at home, where nobody sees you.”

Man you just want to gvie the kid a hug.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 15 @ 12:53 PM ET
Not sure if anyone saw Bryz comments or latest ones...but anyhow. There is no way he plays another season in Philly just cant see it. To me Bryz has been making to many underhanded comments, just seems like a guy that doesnt want to play here anymore. I think you see Mason as the starter and a veteran backup. For one Mason is a better one on one goaltender which is important when playing Lavy's system plus a much better puck handler. I think the Flyers can find a taker for Bryz too especially if they eat say 1 mil or 1.5mil of his deal.
- flyerfan28

Again, that interview isn't an exact translation. I also feel it's maybe become a journalist joke to talk to Bryz now. I think many, if not all media people, are looking for quirky and odd sound-bites from Bryz now, and are intentionally asking him stupid or irrelevant questions.

I also don't think the Stalin stuff should be taken out-of-context. Remember, Bryz actually literally probably is one of the smartest intellectual people in the league, albeit his communication deficiencies. The question was probably asked in all seriousness, in which Bryz could give a legit philosophical or personal answer. Bryz stays. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Mason at all yet. Sure he had a great 7-game run... 7 games... Do you trust your season on a guy with multiple terrible seasons who has just had ONE good 7-game run? Sorry, but any smart GM wouldn't.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 15 @ 12:55 PM ET
I just don't know if we'll see anyone better than a Komisarek or a Leino.
- NickTheKid87



There are plenty of teams that have a bit of housecleaning to do to get their player budgets in order before next season... the Flyers are talking about buying out players of the quality of Briere/Bryz... you have to figure that other teams are looking at similar scenarios.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 15 @ 12:57 PM ET
Wow. Great article. Some of my favorites from it.

"Bourdon has to endure the monotony of eye exercises for five hours each day. It’s an incredibly lonely and tedious endeavor, but one that Bourdon has accepted." (emphasis added)

"When they were on the ice last year and practicing and playing in the playoffs and I was off to the side throwing a tennis ball to myself against a wall, it was not fun. It was lonely. Yes, when you are hurt you have to recover by yourself. Even though you have the trainers the exercises and all the resources, you still have to do it by yourself. Nobody can force you to do it. You have to do it. You have to do it at home, where nobody sees you.”

Man you just want to gvie the kid a hug.

- FlyersGrace

I really feel bad for this kid... Honestly, I think he is pretty much done.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 15 @ 12:58 PM ET
There are plenty of teams that have a bit of housecleaning to do to get their player budgets in order before next season... the Flyers are talking about buying out players of the quality of Briere/Bryz... you have to figure that other teams are looking at similar scenarios.
- Tomahawk

Without question. Remember, this is all business now, all about the dollars and cap parameters. You can still be a great player, but if you don't project into a team's financial future, you're done. Many teams are going to be looking to balance come July 1st, and I'm sure some players will be traded or bought-out that don't merit it.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 15 @ 12:58 PM ET
Again, that interview isn't an exact translation. I also feel it's maybe become a journalist joke to talk to Bryz now. I think many, if not all media people, are looking for quirky and odd sound-bites from Bryz now, and are intentionally asking him stupid or irrelevant questions.

I also don't think the Stalin stuff should be taken out-of-context. Remember, Bryz actually literally probably is one of the smartest intellectual people in the league, albeit his communication deficiencies. The question was probably asked in all seriousness, in which Bryz could give a legit philosophical or personal answer. Bryz stays. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Mason at all yet. Sure he had a great 7-game run... 7 games... Do you trust your season on a guy with multiple terrible seasons who has just had ONE good 7-game run? Sorry, but any smart GM wouldn't.

- Flyers_V88

I agree with you 100%. Good post
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 15 @ 12:59 PM ET
So, on Hockey central Dregger is reading the google translation of quotes from Bryzgalofs interview verbatim. McLean says, are you making fun of him. Dregger says, No that's how he talks.

Excellent, I emailed and called him a dope.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 15 @ 12:59 PM ET
I really feel bad for this kid... Honestly, I think he is pretty much done.
- jak521

From the sounds of it, probably more likely than not. I think he really, really, really screwed up by not taking the initial concussion and taking the proper time off. He was concussed multiple times last year and kept trying to play
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
Buff would not give up ehroff and 16 to move up 5 spots. Coburn not getting a 1st.
- SMS4016


Its funny how wide everyone's opinion varies. Some people say Erhoff cant be traded and will be bought out, and other think that buffalo wouldnt use him to move up 5 spots....
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
Again, that interview isn't an exact translation. I also feel it's maybe become a journalist joke to talk to Bryz now. I think many, if not all media people, are looking for quirky and odd sound-bites from Bryz now, and are intentionally asking him stupid or irrelevant questions.

I also don't think the Stalin stuff should be taken out-of-context. Remember, Bryz actually literally probably is one of the smartest intellectual people in the league, albeit his communication deficiencies. The question was probably asked in all seriousness, in which Bryz could give a legit philosophical or personal answer. Bryz stays. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Mason at all yet. Sure he had a great 7-game run... 7 games... Do you trust your season on a guy with multiple terrible seasons who has just had ONE good 7-game run? Sorry, but any smart GM wouldn't.

- Flyers_V88

I agree. Keep him for one more season and then buy him out unless he single-handedly wins the cup. But with the Flyers nothing would surprise me.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
I really feel bad for this kid... Honestly, I think he is pretty much done.
- jak521

The rest of the article is much more optimistic - with the doctor's thinking that he can come back, how much the Flyers have done to help him, his exit interview with Homer who said he'd have been a help last season had he been healthy and that he still has a shot to make the team in training camp... But that's followed right up with a "I know I'm starting over" mentality.... That said it will be a really rough uphill climb.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

May 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
Again, that interview isn't an exact translation. I also feel it's maybe become a journalist joke to talk to Bryz now. I think many, if not all media people, are looking for quirky and odd sound-bites from Bryz now, and are intentionally asking him stupid or irrelevant questions.

I also don't think the Stalin stuff should be taken out-of-context. Remember, Bryz actually literally probably is one of the smartest intellectual people in the league, albeit his communication deficiencies. The question was probably asked in all seriousness, in which Bryz could give a legit philosophical or personal answer. Bryz stays. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Mason at all yet. Sure he had a great 7-game run... 7 games... Do you trust your season on a guy with multiple terrible seasons who has just had ONE good 7-game run? Sorry, but any smart GM wouldn't.

- Flyers_V88


Do you trust Bryz at this point? I dont im not sure this organization does either. Make all the excuses you want but he doesnt have to talk to Russian media or random journalist, he is bringing it on himself. So in that mindframe, he isnt as smart as you hype him to be. Mason had two below average seasons on a bad team but also had a very good season on that same team yet he is still developing. Bryz is who he is, never been great in the playoffs and is getting paid a boat load to play very average goaltending. Defend your boy all you want but it is what it is.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

May 15 @ 1:03 PM ET
There are plenty of teams that have a bit of housecleaning to do to get their player budgets in order before next season... the Flyers are talking about buying out players of the quality of Briere/Bryz... you have to figure that other teams are looking at similar scenarios.
- Tomahawk


Briere and Bryz are both exceptions to the typical players. Briere refuses to waive his NTC, and why not, he knows he as to be bought out because his cap. He can make his money on his remaining contract(2/3) of 3 million, and get a fresh contract. As for Bryz, sure he might get bought out, but he is completely untradable... just like DiPietro.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 15 @ 1:03 PM ET
So, on Hockey central Dregger is reading the google translation of quotes from Bryzgalofs interview verbatim. McLean says, are you making fun of him. Dregger says, No that's how he talks.

Excellent, I emailed and called him a dope.

- mayorofangrytown

Could you post some? Which ones make some feel he is over playing in Philly?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
There are plenty of teams that have a bit of housecleaning to do to get their player budgets in order before next season... the Flyers are talking about buying out players of the quality of Briere/Bryz... you have to figure that other teams are looking at similar scenarios.
- Tomahawk


That's the thing, Briere and Bryz haven't been all that good the last few years.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
Then once again you have missed the point of the original post by focuing on one small detail. The point is, as currently constructed, there isn't enough balance. Too many guys that play similiar games. Guys like Coburn and Meszaros being asked to do things they haven't done before, or in a long time. Too many big guys that are better at hitting and playing physical then passing and creating offense, and yes skating. That is one of the reasons the defense struggles against transition teams, and strong fore-checking teams.
- youarewrong



A healthy Meszaros can bring that balance to the lineup. And I know that's a big if. He is mobile, shoots the puck well. And can provide offense from the back end. Also if Gustafsson continues to improve, he will help out there also.
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