if they are still considering using one on Bryz, and I don't think they are, they may wait to see if strombone gets bought out early.
- wilsonecho91

I feel that Bryzgalov is coming back for next Season also. However, I would not be the least bit shocked if the Flyers decided to role the dice and buyout both Briere and Bryzgalov. And roll the dice and go with Mason and a cheap veteran backup. And use the money for other positions. That's just seems like something they would do.

Would anyone be opposed if the Flyers put a couple assets on top of Brayden Schenn and tried to acquire Evander Kane with that package? He's got that physical edge on top of that scoring ability to make life miserable for the other team. They're both 21 (Evander was picked 4th in 2009, Brayden picked 5th), Evander has developed a bit more quickly, and would be a menace of a 1st line LW with G and Jake imo.

Does that go the same for Bryz then too?
I would think trading Lu to Florida for futures would be better, no?
- coffee junkie

Orange juice futures?

Orange juice futures?
- wilsonecho91

Sorry I am late to this discussion on early retirement. Could someone please fill me in on the details of how the cap hit works if a player is traded and retires early for the new team?

Thanks.

Would anyone be opposed if the Flyers put a couple assets on top of Brayden Schenn and tried to acquire Evander Kane with that package? He's got that physical edge on top of that scoring ability to make life miserable for the other team. They're both 21 (Evander was picked 4th in 2009, Brayden picked 5th), Evander has developed a bit more quickly, and would be a menace of a 1st line LW with G and Jake imo.
- JAKEw1234

Who is your 2nd line center next year? Not opposed but I don't see it as filling a need without opening up another.

Orange juice futures?
- wilsonecho91

Perhaps.

Let me consult my Assistant GM, Mr. Clarence Beeks.

Who is your 2nd line center next year? Not opposed but I don't see it as filling a need without opening up another.
- coffee junkie

Mr. Coots.

Would anyone be opposed if the Flyers put a couple assets on top of Brayden Schenn and tried to acquire Evander Kane with that package? He's got that physical edge on top of that scoring ability to make life miserable for the other team. They're both 21 (Evander was picked 4th in 2009, Brayden picked 5th), Evander has developed a bit more quickly, and would be a menace of a 1st line LW with G and Jake imo.
- JAKEw1234

What are the couple of assets?

Would anyone be opposed if the Flyers put a couple assets on top of Brayden Schenn and tried to acquire Evander Kane with that package? He's got that physical edge on top of that scoring ability to make life miserable for the other team. They're both 21 (Evander was picked 4th in 2009, Brayden picked 5th), Evander has developed a bit more quickly, and would be a menace of a 1st line LW with G and Jake imo.
- JAKEw1234

If I'm going to move Brayden Schenn, I want a top 4 offensive defenseman coming back in the deal.

Would anyone be opposed if the Flyers put a couple assets on top of Brayden Schenn and tried to acquire Evander Kane with that package? He's got that physical edge on top of that scoring ability to make life miserable for the other team. They're both 21 (Evander was picked 4th in 2009, Brayden picked 5th), Evander has developed a bit more quickly, and would be a menace of a 1st line LW with G and Jake imo.
- JAKEw1234

Evander Kane is easily one of my favorite non-Flyers. I'd strongly consider such a deal.

Perhaps.

Let me consult my Assistant GM, Mr. Clarence Beeks.
- johndewar

Evander Kane is easily one of my favorite non-Flyers. I'd strongly consider such a deal.
- johndewar

plus he was a wheat king, so he's used to Manitoba.

Who is your 2nd line center next year? Not opposed but I don't see it as filling a need without opening up another.
- coffee junkie

You could potentially have the following center combos if one were to trade BSchenn:

Giroux
Couturier
(some vet we sign this summer at a reasonable price)
Laughton

Many have said that Laughton is ready for the NHL right now. (not sure I agree with that, fwiw).

Mr. Coots.
- JAKEw1234

Not in favor.

Sorry I am late to this discussion on early retirement. Could someone please fill me in on the details of how the cap hit works if a player is traded and retires early for the new team?

Thanks.
- coffee junkie

Go to Capgeek.com and use the Cap recapture calculator for a specific player.

But here's the rule.

For all existing SPCs with terms in excess of six (6) years (“long-term contracts”), a “Cap Advantage Recapture” provision will become applicable. Specifically, for years in which the Player under a long-term contract is no longer playing in the League by reason of retirement, “defection” from the
NHL or otherwise (such that he is not playing and is not receiving Salary pursuant to the terms of his SPC), any “Cap Advantage” that may have been gained by a Club during the time the Player was playing in the League under his SPC (defined as the amount by which a Player’s actual cash compensation exceeds his full Averaged Amount (“AA”)), both annually and in the aggregate, will be “Recaptured,” and charged against the Club’s Upper Limit from year-to-year in equal amounts over the remaining term of the Player’s SPC.
If the contract in question is ever traded or assigned to one or more other Clubs in the League, each Club will be subject to being charged with any and all “Cap Advantage” amounts it receives while being obligated pursuant the contract.
The “Cap Advantage Recapture” provision will not apply to “Cap Advantage” amounts a Club may have gained prior to trading a Player’s contract, where such trade occurred before the execution of the new Agreement (including any binding MOU).
On a “bona fide” mid-season retirement, the Cap Advantage Recapture charge shall begin accruing in the following League Year. The parties shall discuss the treatment of a Cap Advantage Recapture charge in the case of a retirement “orchestrated” for the sole purpose of delaying the cap
charge to the following year.

I feel that Bryzgalov is coming back for next Season also. However, I would not be the least bit shocked if the Flyers decided to role the dice and buyout both Briere and Bryzgalov. And roll the dice and go with Mason and a cheap veteran backup. And use the money for other positions. That's just seems like something they would do.
- MJL

flyers and going cheap on goaltending? no, never, never.

I would still rather try and make a deal for Edler. As much as I like Simmonds, he can be replaced in the free agent market (Clarkson, Clowe, Horton etc...). I'm not sure that Simmonds alone would get the deal done, but maybe Simmonds and next years 2nd?
I would be very happy going into next year with a D of
Edler
Schenn
Timonen
Coburn
Grossman
Gus/Mezaros

They could then perhaps move Mezaros in the fall to fill any other needs

Thoughts?

You could potentially have the following center combos if one were to trade BSchenn:

Giroux
Couturier
Talbot
Laughton

- johndewar

Fixed. Forgot about him or what?

Fixed. Forgot about him or what?
- JAKEw1234

Talbot is much better on the wing than at center. He is terrible on faceoffs and lacks the play making ability to really be effective in the middle. He is adequate as a 4th line center, but much better off as a 3rd line winger.

Go to Capgeek.com and use the Cap recapture calculator for a specific player.

But here's the rule.

For all existing SPCs with terms in excess of six (6) years (“long-term contracts”), a “Cap Advantage Recapture” provision will become applicable. Specifically, for years in which the Player under a long-term contract is no longer playing in the League by reason of retirement, “defection” from the
NHL or otherwise (such that he is not playing and is not receiving Salary pursuant to the terms of his SPC), any “Cap Advantage” that may have been gained by a Club during the time the Player was playing in the League under his SPC (defined as the amount by which a Player’s actual cash compensation exceeds his full Averaged Amount (“AA”)), both annually and in the aggregate, will be “Recaptured,” and charged against the Club’s Upper Limit from year-to-year in equal amounts over the remaining term of the Player’s SPC.
If the contract in question is ever traded or assigned to one or more other Clubs in the League, each Club will be subject to being charged with any and all “Cap Advantage” amounts it receives while being obligated pursuant the contract.
The “Cap Advantage Recapture” provision will not apply to “Cap Advantage” amounts a Club may have gained prior to trading a Player’s contract, where such trade occurred before the execution of the new Agreement (including any binding MOU).
On a “bona fide” mid-season retirement, the Cap Advantage Recapture charge shall begin accruing in the following League Year. The parties shall discuss the treatment of a Cap Advantage Recapture charge in the case of a retirement “orchestrated” for the sole purpose of delaying the cap
charge to the following year.
- MJL

I figure someone has done the math on what it would look like if Bryz decided to retire this year? Anyone have that math?

I figure that is also making people have an itchier finger for a buyout?

Why is this rule in place? To keep players from retiring early to help a club and keep contracts more reasonable?

Edit: Thanks BTW!

If I'm going to move Brayden Schenn, I want a top 4 offensive defenseman coming back in the deal.
- BiggE

Or we could just trade Scott Hartnell, Matt Read, and maybe one small asset for Alex Edler. A proven 40-goal scoring power forward is no small asset, and he's in the same age range as Edler so it's not an out of this world notion. I don't think it'd be able to fly 1 for 1, but at the same time I think it'd be possible to strike a deal and keep Read out of it, maybe in favor of some prospects or higher picks. Brandon Manning anyone?

Talbot is much better on the wing than at center. He is terrible on faceoffs and lacks the play making ability to really be effective in the middle. He is adequate as a 4th line center, but much better off as a 3rd line winger.
- BiggE

47.9% last year isn't terrible.

Or we could just trade Scott Hartnell, Matt Read, and maybe one small asset for Alex Edler. A proven 40-goal scoring power forward is no small asset, and he's in the same age range as Edler so it's not an out of this world notion. I don't think it'd be able to fly 1 for 1, but at the same time I think it'd be possible to strike a deal and keep Read out of it, maybe in favor of some prospects or higher picks. Brandon Manning anyone?
- JAKEw1234

Really want Edler, but that's a huge overpay.

Hartnell alone would be close, imo.

47.9% last year isn't terrible.
- JAKEw1234

You can find better than that on the open market somewhere.

I hear you about Talbot at center, but I'd rather have him at wing.

Really want Edler, but that's a huge overpay.

Hartnell alone would be close, imo.
- bradleyc4

Would be, my only concern would be that VAN realizes that Edler would be a franchise defenseman here and would try to pull an over payment. You're right though Hartnell by himself isn't far off.