Another idea for Edler that I'd like MG to look at is Dubinsky.

Simmonds is exactly what this team needs
- VANTEL

Too bad it was our 2nd second pick that LA used to select him

Too bad it was our 2nd second pick that LA used to select him
- Chest Rockwell

Then it's about time we got him back isn't it!

Yeah, players don't always develop in a straight line. Hell, this was Couts' second year, and he fell into the sophomore slump, same as most players do. The Flyers have a tendency to try making the big splash, trading or signing guys to fill hole after hole, and it leaves the cupboard bare, the roster mismatched, and the cap stretched to bursting, since we're always adding expensive vets rather than cost-effective youth. If Edler was that one guy to make the team a Cup favorite, and cost concerns wouldn't bite us in the ass, I'd make that trade, too. However, there comes a point where you have to pick some young players and say "these are the guys we want to build the team upon." For me, Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, the Schenns, and Couturier are those guys. I probably do overvalue him for that reason, but that doesn't mean I should just go "Oh, I'm overvaluing him" and drop him.

I agree that you can't expect to fill major holes by trading spare parts, but the thing is, we weren't talking about spare parts to begin with. The original suggestion was Scott Hartnell, a fairly consistent 20 goal scorer with 30 goal potential, who's been an All-Star, and fills a fairly significant hole the Canucks have, just as Edler would fill a hole in Philly.

Also, where the heck did you get that defensive roster from? That may be what the Flyers iced in one game this season, but the full team defense without the spate of injuries that knocked out 5 or 6 guys from our D looks more like this:

Kimmo Timonen
Luke Schenn
Brayden Coburn
Andrej Meszaros
Nicklas Grossmann
Erik Gustafsson

Honestly, Edler may be on the top pairing with Timonen, but the way Luke grew this past year, the top pair might be Timonen-Schenn, with Edler still being our #3 defenseman.
- dilbert719

whether or not edler is better than schenn doesnt mean u put him with timonen. Edler can move the puck so does timonen... so it would be

Timonen - Schenn
Edler - Grossman/Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossman/Coburn

Gervais/Laurdson/Manning 7th D

Then it's about time we got him back isn't it!
- LeftCoaster

No, that's quite alright. You can have him when we're done with him. Give us a call in about 7 years and we'll see what we're feeling about him then.

2-Martin Hanzal and a 2nd rd pick

He has a good contract and is the type of guy that Vancouver needs. He is big, physical and he can score a little. Phoenix needs help on the back-end and Edler would round out that D nicely. If they could sign Smith, Edler, Yandle and OEL along with some of the kids is a good D.


ehhh.....?
- AdamFrench

whether or not edler is better than schenn doesnt mean u put him with timonen. Edler can move the puck so does timonen... so it would be

Timonen - Schenn
Edler - Grossman/Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossman/Coburn

Gervais/Laurdson/Manning 7th D
- BernieKorch

Who cares where Philly puts him. Just give the Canucks Simmonds and you can do whatever you want with him. Hell, put him in goal for all I care.

It's going to be a worse fire sale than Chicago except Chi won the cup. Vancouver isn't dealing from a position of strength and everyone knows it except Gillis.

Holy sh!t, some of the trades being thrown around here(from Canuck and non-Canuck fans) are just horrible, one way or another.

Holy sh!t, some of the trades being thrown around here(from Canuck and non-Canuck fans) are just horrible, one way or another.
- Nucker101

Isn't that the norm around here? I'll trade you Luongo for Franson, Bozak, Kadri and 3 1sts. I'll counter with Komi and Connolly.... Ah the memories

Too bad it was our 2nd second pick that LA used to select him
- Chest Rockwell

Doubt the Canucks would have picked him anyways, chances are slim after the first 20-25 picks or so that many teams have the same draft boards, and after the first 40 picks or so they're usually much different.

Isn't that the norm around here? I'll trade you Luongo for Franson, Bozak, Kadri and 3 1sts. I'll counter with Komi and Connolly.... Ah the memories
- Canuckleafer

True, but it's scary when people are actually being serious.

Holy sh!t, some of the trades being thrown around here(from Canuck and non-Canuck fans) are just horrible, one way or another.
- Nucker101

Edler for Phaneuf

One big hit big play idiot for another!

I'll be honest I too thought that offer was a bit charitable as you put it, but then again I'm not a scout and don't know what might be around at #7. One thing I will say is all picks at this point should be on the table for the Oil for help now type players, especially of Edler's age, as I think you're cupboards are full.

Pretending like you didn't see Ian's offer, what would you offer for Edler?
- AlexF

Yeah charitable in the sense that I'm sure Tambs and MacT get deals floated their way for Nuge, Yaks and Eberle every single day, and one of them is the starting return price any time they float a trade. To get the current best player in a deal without giving up one of those guys is charitable, even though Paajarvi + 7th is equal value imo. It's the kind of deal MacT will have to consider if he's hell bent on keeping the "star 5".

If we could get Edler and not give up the 7th (not that we're planning on keeping it necessarily ) then I'd be happy. Paajarvi + 2014 1st (maybe toss in Anaheim's 2nd -- now a mid-round pick -- if need be) or a package surrounding Paajarvi -- Pitlcik, Gernat, 2nds this and next year are possibilities.

Maybe value wise but not need wise. MPS plus 7th overall would be an overpay for Edler because Edler is not the Dman Edmonton needs. Yes he's good, but he is not the top 2 two way guy. MPS plus one of our 2nds I would consider.
- Iggysbff

he's almost a two-way guy. It's tough to predict much growth out of a 27 year old on a pretty rich contract, but he's started a bit to make good on his tantalizing size-speed combination. But I agree, it's tough to give up the 2013 1st in a trade for a guy that "almost" fits the bill.For the right price, he's a guy worth targeting nonetheless.

Nice little treat that Anaheim's 2nd is going to be around 50th eh?

Who cares where Philly puts him. Just give the Canucks Simmonds and you can do whatever you want with him. Hell, put him in goal for all I care.
- Canuckleafer

Well oyur the one saying he'd play with Timonen so i was just pointing out that He wouldn't bc thats not naturally a good fit. And your not getting Simmonds...Most I'd say is Hartnell and a prospect or our 2nd rounder

I'd rather move Hartnell too. Wayne is on a really good deal cap-wise moving forward. As the cap eventually rises he'll be entering his prime making just under 4 mil. Hartnell will be on the eventual decline making just under 5 mil.
- hereticpride

Geez I'd trade Hartnell right now for some hockey bags and used jock straps to get him and the cap hit off the team!!

Geez I'd trade Hartnell right now for some hockey bags and used jock straps to get him and the cap hit off the team!!
- BernieKorch

Edmonton Oilers say Hi. Been in on Hartnell since the purported Souray trade.

no prayer of 1 or 6 happening.
3 isn't a bad trade.

Well oyur the one saying he'd play with Timonen so i was just pointing out that He wouldn't bc thats not naturally a good fit. And your not getting Simmonds...Most I'd say is Hartnell and a prospect or our 2nd rounder
- BernieKorch

I didn't say anything about him playing with anyone. It doesn't matter to me one bit.

Simmonds PT/G : 4.7
Edler. PT/G : 4.7
Timmonen PT/G : 4.2

If Philly is seriously considering submitting an offer for Edler, it's because he WILL be their #1 guy.

Simmonds ++ or B. Schenn + will be the starting point from Gillis' side, and he'll get close to that from someone for Edler. Especially since these kind players are almost never available.

no prayer of 1 or 6 happening.
3 isn't a bad trade.

- Aetherial

Raymond for your avatar (Hoping your a chick or your not straight)

I didn't say anything about him playing with anyone. It doesn't matter to me one bit.
- Canuckleafer

I didnt mean you my bad it was another canucks fan

Simmonds PT/G : 4.7
Edler. PT/G : 4.7
Timmonen PT/G : 4.2

If Philly is seriously considering submitting an offer for Edler, it's because he WILL be their #1 guy.

Simmonds ++ or B. Schenn + will be the starting point from Gillis' side, and he'll get close to that from someone for Edler. Especially since these kind players are almost never available.
- Gullzy

Keep in mind you need to get a Guy like Simmonds/Hartnell as Much as we need a D Man

MPS looks like he'll top out as a low top 6er, skilled top 9er. What are your thoughts?
- AlexF

I think with the promise he showed at the end of the year, at least that. If given the opportunity to play with top tier talent, and fellow Swedes the sedins, he would really flourish. That being said, I just couldn't see us trading him anywhere within the division. We definitely couldn't take back Edler in a trade for him. As good as Edler is, we can't afford to get any weaker to play against on the back end with all our small players up front