Edler, Booth and Luongo (14ish) for Vanek, Meyers and Kaleta (13.8ish)

BUF could then trade Miller for an immediate return.

Both Meyers and Edler get a new start.
- immature_male

No, Buffalo does not remotely consider that. Take on two huge salary dumps and potential compliance buyouts plus a pretty good young dman, for a top goal scorer, one of the highest potential young dmen around, and their resident douchebag? Not a chance.

I wouldn't want to part with Schenn, my best offer would be Simmonds, this years 2nd pick #41 and a prospect.
- BiggE

For Edler straight up? Done and done...where do we sign?

No, Buffalo does not remotely consider that. Take on two huge salary dumps and potential compliance buyouts plus a pretty good young dman, for a top goal scorer, one of the highest potential young dmen around, and their resident douchebag? Not a chance.
- Dirte

Agreed. The only way any team takes a chance on Booth is if he is bought out first by Vancouver. No one would trade for him as is. And (frank) Kaleta, I don't want him on the Canucks.

The Bruins could actually use a Dman. Chara is turning 37 next year and it appears Ference may be on his way out this summer during free agency. That only leaves Hamilton, Boychuck and Seidenberg with a 37 year old Chara.
- fudd1689

In that case who would you trade for Edler?

Wise to put Paajarvi and a 1st. That's actually charitable in not asking for one of the other kids or Gagner. The Oilers may not be prepared to make that move this year with the 7th to a division rival, but this is actually one of the more fair in terms of value.

As alternatives to that list, I'd look for either straight up or a package around:

Bobby Ryan
Brayden Schenn
Sean Coutourier
Kyle Okposo
Mark Schieffle
Nino Neidereiter
Nick Bjugstad

It's early, can't think of any more of the top of my head

First order of business for the Canucks this off season should be to resolve your goalie situation.
- KeithM

There is NO goalie controversy in Vancouver, never has been, never will be right ?

Wise to put Paajarvi and a 1st. That's actually charitable in not asking for one of the other kids or Gagner. The Oilers may not be prepared to make that move this year with the 7th to a division rival, but this is actually one of the more fair in terms of value.
- Morris

MPS looks like he'll top out as a low top 6er, skilled top 9er. What are your thoughts?

As alternatives to that list, I'd look for either straight up or a package around:

Bobby Ryan
Brayden Schenn
Sean Coutourier
Kyle Okposo
Mark Schieffle
Nino Neidereiter
Nick Bjugstad

It's early, can't think of any more of the top of my head
- AlexF

Wow. Some of Esplen's trades were... aspirational, to say the least. This here? Not so much aspirational as delusional. I'm not sure there's anyone on the Canucks roster who I would trade Schenn for (in part because I'm leery of what happens to Luke's play if Brayden goes), and there's no way in the world Alex Edler is enough for Couturier. Kassian would have to be part of the deal at a minimum for me to even consider it. I'm less interested in trading Schenn and Couturier than most Flyers fans, but I have to think that even those who are willing to trade them wouldn't be comfortable with this.

Now, the Edler for Hartnell deal I could get behind. Simmonds isn't a player I'm interested in moving.

I'd hardly call 38 points in 54 games as an AHL rookie doing nothing.

He'll be a big-bodied, 50-70 point guy one day and he is a cheap cap number.

The first pick will very likely be around 18-20 in a good draft.

the value wouldn't be that bad.
- IanEsplen

Unless the pick is in the top 10 I have no confidence in Gillis' ability to draft.

MPS looks like he'll top out as a low top 6er, skilled top 9er. What are your thoughts?
- AlexF

I'd say that's absolutely correct. He's valuable to us insofar as he's starting to learn how to crash and bang, and he's got a decent two-way game -- something a lot of our players lack. But I'd absolutely trade him for the right return.

Wow. Some of Esplen's trades were... aspirational, to say the least. This here? Not so much aspirational as delusional. I'm not sure there's anyone on the Canucks roster who I would trade Schenn for (in part because I'm leery of what happens to Luke's play if Brayden goes), and there's no way in the world Alex Edler is enough for Couturier. Kassian would have to be part of the deal at a minimum for me to even consider it. I'm less interested in trading Schenn and Couturier than most Flyers fans, but I have to think that even those who are willing to trade them wouldn't be comfortable with this.

Now, the Edler for Hartnell deal I could get behind. Simmonds isn't a player I'm interested in moving.
- dilbert719

You do realize I prefaced all those trades by "either straight up or a package around" to get a discussion going? Before you go off on someone as being delusional take the time to read their post.

And for the record, if you think Couturier is "no way in the world enough for Edler" I think you sir might be overvaluing your players a tad. They're closer in ability than you think and top end D are always more expensive than forwards. One look at your roster would indicate your team might immediately improve by making that deal, but hey if Snider prefers to comb for 37 year old over-priced UFAs then feel free.

I'd say that's absolutely correct. He's valuable to us insofar as he's starting to learn how to crash and bang, and he's got a decent two-way game -- something a lot of our players lack. But I'd absolutely trade him for the right return.
- Morris

I'll be honest I too thought that offer was a bit charitable as you put it, but then again I'm not a scout and don't know what might be around at #7. One thing I will say is all picks at this point should be on the table for the Oil for help now type players, especially of Edler's age, as I think you're cupboards are full.

Pretending like you didn't see Ian's offer, what would you offer for Edler?

Alex Edler has played 431GMS has 201Pts and is a +31 in that time. He's 6'3" 215lbs, hits like a freight train and he has all world skill...BUT...he's somewhat inconsistent. So are a lot of other players, actually all players have that to a certain degree.

He is absolutely worth a very good return, some of these guys are way over evaluating their young players. Every one does.

That said, if I were going to trade Edler it would be to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn and a 2nd round pick OR Wayne Simmonds str8 up.

Personally I'd rather trade Kesler & Edler to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a first round pick. This does an instant reset for the franchise.

Alex Edler has played 431GMS has 201Pts and is a +31 in that time. He's 6'3" 215lbs, hits like a freight train and he has all world skill...BUT...he's somewhat inconsistent. So are a lot of other players, actually all players have that to a certain degree.

He is absolutely worth a very good return, some of these guys are way over evaluating their young players. Every one does.

That said, if I were going to trade Edler it would be to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn and a 2nd round pick OR Wayne Simmonds str8 up.

Personally I'd rather trade Kesler & Edler to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a first round pick. This does an instant reset for the franchise.
- LeftCoaster

Painful to swallow but I like the courage and yes, it would help both teams. Canucks would lose their shutdown guy in Kesler but gain 2/3 of a 2nd line, which we have been struggling to attain for so long now. Flyers get their D and a shutdown guy with plenty of offensive upside which will help improve the GAA.

Alex Edler has played 431GMS has 201Pts and is a +31 in that time. He's 6'3" 215lbs, hits like a freight train and he has all world skill...BUT...he's somewhat inconsistent. So are a lot of other players, actually all players have that to a certain degree.

He is absolutely worth a very good return, some of these guys are way over evaluating their young players. Every one does.

That said, if I were going to trade Edler it would be to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn and a 2nd round pick OR Wayne Simmonds str8 up.

Personally I'd rather trade Kesler & Edler to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a first round pick. This does an instant reset for the franchise.
- LeftCoaster

Just curious....why do some people want to trade Kesler? Injury prone or because he'll bring a return?

Can't for the life of me figure out why some want him gone.

Ian Esplen: 10 Targets for Edler
Who do you want for him?
- IanEsplen

i think you can scratch off Wayne Simmonds and Patrice, that seems impossible unless you guys send ALOT

You do realize I prefaced all those trades by "either straight up or a package around" to get a discussion going? Before you go off on someone as being delusional take the time to read their post.

And for the record, if you think Couturier is "no way in the world enough for Edler" I think you sir might be overvaluing your players a tad. They're closer in ability than you think and top end D are always more expensive than forwards. One look at your roster would indicate your team might immediately improve by making that deal, but hey if Snider prefers to comb for 37 year old over-priced UFAs then feel free.
- AlexF

The delusional part was mostly in reference to "straight up," since I'm not sure there's a person on that list who Edler straight up is a logical fit for. Then again, I will admit to having my view of Vancouver players colored by the team's postseason struggles, since I usually don't get to see much of the Canucks outside of the playoffs. That was, perhaps, not fair of me, and I should have moderated my language.

Edler is talented, though I hardly think Vancouver's #3 defenseman (as Esplen pointed out) counts as "top-end." Top-end, to me, is reserved for #1-2 defensemen, though others may disagree. Also, Couturier is, as you say, close in ability to Edler, though it is a different type of ability since he's a forward (though an excellent defensive forward, if you ask Malkin) and Edler's a defenseman. He's also 20. I'm willing to bet that if a guy several years away from his prime is close in ability to a guy dead in the middle of his prime years, barring horrific injury, the younger player will end up being more valuable. I'll readily admit that the cost to acquire defensemen is exceptionally high, but cost and value are not the same thing.

I don't believe the Flyers roster as currently constituted, or with the addition of Edler, is an overwhelming favorite for the Cup next year, so giving up a guy who has 8-10 years before he leaves his prime for a guy who's probably got two or three years of prime ability left simply doesn't work for me. That's why I'd want Kassian in any deal involving Couts. At least that way, we're also getting someone who has similar long-term capacity for growth.

Personally I'd rather trade Kesler & Edler to the Flyers for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a first round pick. This does an instant reset for the franchise.
- LeftCoaster

I think the issue with a trade scenario like this is, while it helps the Canucks salary cap issues, Philly is no position to help anyone with their salary cap problems. They can't take on any more salary than the Canucks can.

Just curious....why do some people want to trade Kesler? Injury prone or because he'll bring a return?

Can't for the life of me figure out why some want him gone.
- Phratz

It's not that I "want" him gone, the franchise needs to move in a different direction. The guy has the ability to be a tremendous player, he has great trade value. Never fall in love with a player, you need to move assets to keep the franchise moving forward and to stay relevant. Trevor Linden was traded for Bertuzzi, McCabe and Ruutu, Bert became one of the best power forwards in the game and McCabe was used to acquire the pick Burke used to get Henrik. Sometimes you gotta do what's best for the organization!

i think you can scratch off Wayne Simmonds and Patrice, that seems impossible unless you guys send ALOT
- Habitants98

A lot is two words.

I think the issue with a trade scenario like this is, while it helps the Canucks salary cap issues, Philly is no position to help anyone with their salary cap problems. They can't take on any more salary than the Canucks can.
- Dirte

This. It seems like the two teams certainly match up in terms of player needs, but if you add in VAN wanting to gain some cap flexibility, you couldn't pick a worse team to trade with.

However, they could use an Edler to PHI deal to pick up their power forward (Hartnell would be minimal cap savings, Simmonds a little more depending on the exact trade) and look at other parts of the roster to clear some cap space.

I think the issue with a trade scenario like this is, while it helps the Canucks salary cap issues, Philly is no position to help anyone with their salary cap problems. They can't take on any more salary than the Canucks can.
- Dirte

It's not a deal that the Canucks make to get cap relief, it's a deal to move the franchise forward. Philly is owned by a cable company, they have no money issues! Schenn is an RFA after next year I believe? He's gonna demand a larger salary.

This. It seems like the two teams certainly match up in terms of player needs, but if you add in VAN wanting to gain some cap flexibility, you couldn't pick a worse team to trade with.

However, they could use an Edler to PHI deal to pick up their power forward (Hartnell would be minimal cap savings, Simmonds a little more depending on the exact trade) and look at other parts of the roster to clear some cap space.
- five4fighting10

The Canucks, IMO, want no part of Hartnell nor do the Flyers wish to move him. Hartnell is 31 years old and he's signed for six more years, Gillis wants to get younger not older!

You need vets on your team and Hartnell is a true Flyer.

The delusional part was mostly in reference to "straight up," since I'm not sure there's a person on that list who Edler straight up is a logical fit for. Then again, I will admit to having my view of Vancouver players colored by the team's postseason struggles, since I usually don't get to see much of the Canucks outside of the playoffs. That was, perhaps, not fair of me, and I should have moderated my language.

Edler is talented, though I hardly think Vancouver's #3 defenseman (as Esplen pointed out) counts as "top-end." Top-end, to me, is reserved for #1-2 defensemen, though others may disagree. Also, Couturier is, as you say, close in ability to Edler, though it is a different type of ability since he's a forward (though an excellent defensive forward, if you ask Malkin) and Edler's a defenseman. He's also 20. I'm willing to bet that if a guy several years away from his prime is close in ability to a guy dead in the middle of his prime years, barring horrific injury, the younger player will end up being more valuable. I'll readily admit that the cost to acquire defensemen is exceptionally high, but cost and value are not the same thing.

I don't believe the Flyers roster as currently constituted, or with the addition of Edler, is an overwhelming favorite for the Cup next year, so giving up a guy who has 8-10 years before he leaves his prime for a guy who's probably got two or three years of prime ability left simply doesn't work for me. That's why I'd want Kassian in any deal involving Couts. At least that way, we're also getting someone who has similar long-term capacity for growth.
- dilbert719

Some good points you raise here but hockey development has proven time and again that it's far from linear. If it were that obvious, GM signing and draft selection mistakes would not be made so frequently. Because Couturier projects to have some upside in his development doesn't mean he's a guarantee to reach it in a few years or ever. Unless the young player in the conversation is an outrageous talent (which sorry but Couts is not) I would always take the player I see over the player I think I'll see some years down the road. That's just me perhaps.

PHI need some quality on the blueline and much like anything in life, you have to give to get. It's not that any Canuck fan wants to trade Edler but we realize that some type of reset is required and we may have to give up depth in certain areas (D in our case) for gain in others (FW). To think a team will solve their major gaps but signing UFAs or exchanging your spare parts in a trade is wishful thinking at best.

One look at this list tells me Edler would slot into your top pairing immediately:

Luke Schenn
Erik Gustafsson
Bruno Gervais
Andreas Lilja
Kimmo Timonen
Matt Konan