For Schneider they'd be stupid to turn that down IMO. That's two relatively young core players under contract for two promising, but unproven prospects. I agree if it's Luongo though.
- Nucker101

Totally agree. A young All-Star + Schneider for a disgruntled prospect + a promising prospect (neither of which currently play in the NHL). That's a good deal.

Iggy's but buddy rejects every single trade proposed on this site by default.

We are getting the ball moving
Keep it up

Were you really that impressed with his 2 points in 7 games against NYR?
- AlexF

Honestly iwas seeing if anyone was even paying attention

Honestly iwas seeing if anyone was even paying attention
- thundachunk

It's gone a bit quiet here. Golf season will do that to a fan base.

It's gone a bit quiet here. Golf season will do that to a fan base.
- AlexF

I'm staying.

They got some interesting players. Tatar, and Landon Ferraro as well

I like my duck deal for edler.
Edler for Foligno and Ennis
As for the earlier deal with the Islanders with Lu and Rocky D, I believe we would need more then Nino. Bailey and Nino perhaps?

You can't tell me if we offered Lu for Bryz that the Flyers wouldn't give us a great piece in return
- Bieksa#3

Buff deal isn't bad ... Philly might not be too eager to pick up another long goalie deal ...I know Lu looks much better then bryz .. But remember bryz looked a lot better then almost anyone in Phoenix ... If the isles where a cap team then they might want to get rid of dipietro... But once again a team burned by a long term goalie deal might not want one back .... If Cory is on the table then snow may listen

Buff deal isn't bad ... Philly might not be too eager to pick up another long goalie deal ...I know Lu looks much better then bryz .. But remember bryz looked a lot better then almost anyone in Phoenix ... If the isles where a cap team then they might want to get rid of dipietro... But once again a team burned by a long term goalie deal might not want one back .... If Cory is on the table then snow may listen
- Redmile247

Would like to see Gillis make a push for Bobby Ryan with Edler as the center piece. Foligno and Ennis...not sure how much they help us in the playoffs.

Totally agree. A young All-Star + Schneider for a disgruntled prospect + a promising prospect (neither of which currently play in the NHL). That's a good deal.

Iggy's but buddy rejects every single trade proposed on this site by default.
- AlexF

IMO, if Schneider is involved in that NYI deal instead of Lou, the Canucks get burned bad. Would maybe make the deal for Schneider or Edler alone, not both.

Iggysbff has so much Canuck hate it blinds him even when he is actually trying to contribute to a hockey discussion—it would be best for everyone if he just stayed off this forum...

Would like to see Gillis make a push for Bobby Ryan with Edler as the center piece. Foligno and Ennis...not sure how much they help us in the playoffs.
- AlexF

Who do you throw in with edler for Ryan tho ? I think there is a deal but what each team sees as extra piece could be far apart

They got some interesting players. Tatar, and Landon Ferraro as well

I like my duck deal for edler.
Edler for Foligno and Ennis
As for the earlier deal with the Islanders with Lu and Rocky D, I believe we would need more then Nino. Bailey and Nino perhaps?

You can't tell me if we offered Lu for Bryz that the Flyers wouldn't give us a great piece in return
- Bieksa#3

Tatar and Ferraro are good, but have considerably less offensive upside than Nyquist.

I don't mind Ennis, but isn't he smaller than Schroeder (taller but more slight)? Not sure that would be a good fit unless Schroeder was on his way out in another trade.

IMO, if Schneider is involved in that NYI deal instead of Lou, the Canucks get burned bad. Would maybe make the deal for Schneider or Edler alone, not both.

Iggysbff has so much Canuck hate it blinds him even when he is actually trying to contribute to a hockey discussion—it would be best for everyone if he just stayed off this forum...
- Fosco

I like the idea of Schneider getting dealt to the NYI for a few good prospects, this would be good for the franchise.

By that I mean Niederrieter and Brock Nelson.

I like the idea of Schneider getting dealt to the NYI for a few good prospects, this would be good for the franchise.
- LeftCoaster

Not opposed to it.

But if two quality young NHLers are being traded, then there needs to be more than two unproven prospects coming back, no matter how good the prospects are.

IMO, if Schneider is involved in that NYI deal instead of Lou, the Canucks get burned bad. Would maybe make the deal for Schneider or Edler alone, not both.

Iggysbff has so much Canuck hate it blinds him even when he is actually trying to contribute to a hockey discussion—it would be best for everyone if he just stayed off this forum...
- Fosco

Agreed (with both points ). I meant by my "good deal" comment that it was good for NYI, as it was being argued that it was somehow horrible for them. The trouble with prospects (especially how they're valued on HB) is that they all seem to be franchise players to be on paper.One or both of those projects may be mediocre or total busts. Actually, the odds are in favor that one or both may be mediocre or busts.

We have a few key assets available for potential trade. We need to make them count.

Agreed (with both points ). I meant by my "good deal" comment that it was good for NYI, as it was being argued that it was somehow horrible for them. The trouble with prospects (especially how they're valued on HB) is that they all seem to be franchise players to be on paper.One or both of those projects may be mediocre or total busts. Actually, the odds are in favor that one or both may be mediocre or busts.

We have a few key assets available for potential trade. We need to make them count.
- AlexF

I got that.

I only quoted your post because it was on this page, and in reference to the same trade.

Agreed on the second bolded part, as well, especially since the Grabner + the 1st in 2010 set the prospect pool back far enough that they can't rally sacrifice any more of their 1st round prospects or picks in the future.

Iggsbff only comes here with the intention of stirring poop up. It's pretty sad.

Who do you throw in with edler for Ryan tho ? I think there is a deal but what each team sees as extra piece could be far apart
- Redmile247

It can be argued that they are both closer in value than the common perception (or HB perception) might be. They're both about the same age (Ryan 26, Edler 27), carry about the same salary (Ryan 5.1, Edler 5.0). Apart from his career year (81 points 3 seasons ago) Ryan's per game average equates to about 55-60 pts per season. Edler about 40-50. Edler actually had more points (37) than Ryan (30) this season.

In terms of needs, ANA need D it's no secret just like VAN need scoring forwards. What's more, ANA like VAN also need to shed some cap this summer so would either need to make a like for like trade to acquire D or get an impact D for less (unlikely).

Given that Ryan is only signed on for 2 more seasons before UFA and Edler has another 6, I'd say an offer for Ryan straight up for Edler is closer than we'd think.

It can be argued that they are both closer in value than the common perception (or HB perception) might be. They're both about the same age (Ryan 26, Edler 27), carry about the same salary (Ryan 5.1, Edler 5.0). Apart from his career year (81 points 3 seasons ago) Ryan's per game average equates to about 55-60 pts per season. Edler about 40-50. Edler actually had more points (37) than Ryan (30) this season.

In terms of needs, ANA need D it's no secret just like VAN need scoring forwards. What's more, ANA like VAN also need to shed some cap this summer so would either need to make a like for like trade to acquire D or get an impact D for less (unlikely).

Given that Ryan is only signed on for 2 more seasons before UFA and Edler has another 6, I'd say an offer for Ryan straight up for Edler is closer than we'd think.
- AlexF

A risk trade for both teams but will benefit them

Thunder is gone...
KD needs to work on his ball handling skills...
This show how poop this team really is with really no bench...
Better bench and KD stepping his game up is needed for next year

I got that.

I only quoted your post because it was on this page, and in reference to the same trade.

Agreed on the second bolded part, as well, especially since the Grabner + the 1st in 2010 set the prospect pool back far enough that they can't rally sacrifice any more of their 1st round prospects or picks in the future.

Iggsbff only comes here with the intention of stirring poop up. It's pretty sad.
- Fosco

That trade only ever gets mentioned in passing as "not good" but in reality it was horrific. We lost Grabner for Ballard, which is bad enough, but also lost that pick which Florida used to pick Quinton Howden. Keep in mind that Charlie Coyle, Emerson Etem, Brock Nelson, and Kuznetsov were also on the board at that time.

Trade Ballard for Grabner and Howden and tell me how much better we are right now and in the future.

It can be argued that they are both closer in value than the common perception (or HB perception) might be. They're both about the same age (Ryan 26, Edler 27), carry about the same salary (Ryan 5.1, Edler 5.0). Apart from his career year (81 points 3 seasons ago) Ryan's per game average equates to about 55-60 pts per season. Edler about 40-50. Edler actually had more points (37) than Ryan (30) this season.

In terms of needs, ANA need D it's no secret just like VAN need scoring forwards. What's more, ANA like VAN also need to shed some cap this summer so would either need to make a like for like trade to acquire D or get an impact D for less (unlikely).

Given that Ryan is only signed on for 2 more seasons before UFA and Edler has another 6, I'd say an offer for Ryan straight up for Edler is closer than we'd think.
- AlexF

I would rather get players on ELC's. I would be worried that Ryan would bolt back to the States and a better tax rate in 2 years.

It can be argued that they are both closer in value than the common perception (or HB perception) might be. They're both about the same age (Ryan 26, Edler 27), carry about the same salary (Ryan 5.1, Edler 5.0). Apart from his career year (81 points 3 seasons ago) Ryan's per game average equates to about 55-60 pts per season. Edler about 40-50. Edler actually had more points (37) than Ryan (30) this season.

In terms of needs, ANA need D it's no secret just like VAN need scoring forwards. What's more, ANA like VAN also need to shed some cap this summer so would either need to make a like for like trade to acquire D or get an impact D for less (unlikely).

Given that Ryan is only signed on for 2 more seasons before UFA and Edler has another 6, I'd say an offer for Ryan straight up for Edler is closer than we'd think.
- AlexF

You might not want to give up more and think they are closer ... But bobby Ryan's trade value is higher then Edlers

That trade only ever gets mentioned in passing as "not good" but in reality it was horrific. We lost Grabner for Ballard, which is bad enough, but also lost that pick which Florida used to pick Quinton Howden. Keep in mind that Charlie Coyle, Emerson Etem, Brock Nelson, and Kuznetsov were also on the board at that time.

Trade Ballard for Grabner and Howden and tell me how much better we are right now and in the future.
- AlexF

Future maybe but for right now we still have AV. I would have been happier if the trade hadn't happened and we had got Tinordi.

You might not want to give up more and think they are closer ... But bobby Ryan's trade value is higher then Edlers
- Redmile247

I'd agree but it's limited by its 2 year term.

I would rather get players on ELC's. I would be worried that Ryan would bolt back to the States and a better tax rate in 2 years.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'm not sure what ELC could possibly help us now like Bobby Ryan could but agreed that it would be better for our cap.

The way I see it, if we don't use our key trade chips for players that can help us now, we may as well trade the core immediately and start the rebuild.

NY would never do that deal.
- Iggysbff

Really?

If NYI could trade Reinhart/Nino for Edler/Schneider, they should take that AND RUN!!!

I'd agree but it's limited by its 2 year term.
- AlexF

Yeah and edlers is long term ... 5 mill is good value the old edler ... But if he can't find his game then that can turn into an ugly contract