Emotion can't be dictating management decisions. If a great deal for a 32 year old Burrows comes along, Gillis has to jump on it. His message is that he wants your team to get bigger and younger; trading Burrows when his value is at its peak might just be a smart idea. This is about winning. You'll be loyal to the guys who bring Vancouver a cup.
- Michael_Stuart

Well said. But who knows what his trade value is so it's hard to say for sure if it's a good idea or not.

Emotion can't be dictating management decisions. If a great deal for a 32 year old Burrows comes along, Gillis has to jump on it. His message is that he wants your team to get bigger and younger; trading Burrows when his value is at its peak might just be a smart idea. This is about winning. You'll be loyal to the guys who bring Vancouver a cup.
- Michael_Stuart

I don't think that will be a problem.

Burrows value on the trade market will never come close to his value on the ice.

The Sedins are another story...

The only way I'd ever be OK with them being traded is if they asked for a trade. They deserve that.

Incompatible. Kesler's skillset doesn't mesh with an east west time & space game where chances are generated off the cycle. Not even close.
- DrChristianTroy

Have they actually tried it in recent years ?

This. Burrows contract scares me a bit, just like Edler's. Higgins to a lesser extent.
- Nucker101

I think the Higgins extension was the worst of the bunch. No matter how many roster mock-ups I do, I can never bring myself to give him a priority spot on the 3rd line. I'd rather see Jensen & Kassian get sheltered offensive minutes in that role & be ready to step into the top 6 if necessary.

These are all ridiculous.

Hey guys.

Just a quick question here. Rumors seem to be coming up that Edler may be on the table.

I've seen a decent amount of him, and I'd say the biggest knock is his inconsistency. Anyone care to give a little bit more on him?

Who would the Canucks be interested in more. Simmonds or Hartnell?

These are all ridiculous.
- kingsfirstcup

Hmmm, is that why some Phi fans have posted that they'd make the trade? And why other fans have commented that a number of them are plausible?

A couple aren't realistic, but most are.

Emotion can't be dictating management decisions. If a great deal for a 32 year old Burrows comes along, Gillis has to jump on it. His message is that he wants your team to get bigger and younger; trading Burrows when his value is at its peak might just be a smart idea. This is about winning. You'll be loyal to the guys who bring Vancouver a cup.
- Michael_Stuart

If Gillis just does minor tweaks to the team, he will be forever be considered full of sh!t ,and go down in Canuck history as one of the biggest mistakes ,that sunk the team. He better be lifting every paper and looking under every stone to make this team contenders again.

His rope is tightening fast and he has little time left IMO .

Hey guys.

Just a quick question here. Rumors seem to be coming up that Edler may be on the table.

I've seen a decent amount of him, and I'd say the biggest knock is his inconsistency. Anyone care to give a little bit more on him?

Who would the Canucks be interested in more. Simmonds or Hartnell?
- flyer_nutter

Yeah, he's a bit streaky and is prone to some blown coverage in the defensive zone. But IMO he's at his best with either a safe, reliable d-man to cover up his mistakes like Salo was or a pure puck moving d-man to take some of the offensive loadd off of him and focus more on D, like Ehrhoff was. Definitely needs to play the left side with a righty as his aprtner or he'll struggle. Pretty good on the PP when used by a decent PP coach and obviously he racks up the points pretty good for a d-man. Despite his defensive mistakes he plays in all situations(PP, PK, 4on4). Got a good slap shot, good with the stretch pass when he uses it and a good passer that can move the puck out of his zone effectively, physical when he needs to be and blocks shots, but not a tough guy when it comes to the after the whistle stuff.


And Simmonds over Hartnell because of age and contract.

Hey guys.

Just a quick question here. Rumors seem to be coming up that Edler may be on the table.

I've seen a decent amount of him, and I'd say the biggest knock is his inconsistency. Anyone care to give a little bit more on him?

Who would the Canucks be interested in more. Simmonds or Hartnell?
- flyer_nutter

He looked like a sure bet to be an elite number one D two years ago, but halfway through the 2011/12 season he seems to have started to regress a bit.

Used to look much more confident in his own end, and there's some speculation that his back was never the same after surgery.

Still very capable at putting up points, still a solid physical D, blocks shots, and when paired with certain guys (Tanev and Corrado) has still looked decent defensively.

Hey guys.

Just a quick question here. Rumors seem to be coming up that Edler may be on the table.

I've seen a decent amount of him, and I'd say the biggest knock is his inconsistency. Anyone care to give a little bit more on him?

Who would the Canucks be interested in more. Simmonds or Hartnell?
- flyer_nutter

He has nights when he is all world and other nights that he is all pee wee . His true game is most nights he is a good solid Dman

If Gillis just does minor tweaks to the team, he will be forever be considered full of sh!t ,and go down in Canuck history as one of the biggest mistakes ,that sunk the team. He better be lifting every paper and looking under every stone to make this team contenders again.

His rope is tightening fast and he has little time left IMO .
- VANTEL

What if makes minor tweaks(one new second liner, a 2nd or 3rd pairing d-man, and a bottom 6 forward), but he hires a completely new coaching staff and this team turns it around next year? Are you saying that this group is so hopeless that a new coach can't help turn this team around? Or are you saying that AV, Bowness and Brown were a good coaches and were not the problem?

What if makes minor tweaks(one new second liner, a 2nd or 3rd pairing d-man, and a bottom 6 forward), but he hires a completely new coaching staff and this team turns it around next year? Are you saying that this group is so hopeless that a new coach can't help turn this team around? Or are you saying that AV, Bowness and Brown were a good coaches and were not the problem?
- Nucker101

Like the Canuck I thought AV and his staff we ok during the regular season. When it came to playing a series the coaching staff and team were outplayed outhustled outcoached and out scored.

I think this team was not that good as every one said , and the defensive style of the coaching staff saved some victories.

Do I think they are good, not at all. Do I think this team is elite? Not at all I have this team in somewhere between 13 - 18 in power rankings


TSN had us ranked 14 th

If we want schenn in the mix, who would you guys want coming back?
- RF_4eva

I though I was supposed to be afraid last night
Ibaka and Martin were on fire I thought

Honest question, do you think the Thunder get another game?

I say it ends in 6

I though I was supposed to be afraid last night
Ibaka and Martin were on fire I thought

Honest question, do you think the Thunder get another game?

I say it ends in 6
- Bieksa#3

Would be a much different series with Westbrook. Take Conley out of the Grizzlies lineup and give the Thunder back Westbrook and OKC would dominate. I've actually been impressed with how OKC is holding up in these games with a rookie PG and no inside scorers.


I agree it ends in 6.

Pffft. Would need to be Yak and Nugefor Tavares
- Iggysbff

In all honesty as good as the oilers young guns are, none of them could hold Tavaras' jock strap. Tavaras has an MVP season with brad Boyes and M Moulson. Guy is top 5 players in the world. I would take JT over Stamkos in a second

Like the Canuck I thought AV and his staff we ok during the regular season. When it came to playing a series the coaching staff and team were outplayed outhustled outcoached and out scored.

I think this team was not that good as every one said , and the defensive style of the coaching staff saved some victories.

Do I think they are good, not at all. Do I think this team is elite? Not at all I have this team in somewhere between 13 - 18 in power rankings


TSN had us ranked 14 th
- VANTEL

I agree that AV had to play a defensive style while Kesler was out and before Roy got here, but once they were both in the lineup he stuck with that system and that made zero sense. I don't agree that there are 12 teams better than this roster. The Sedins are PPG players(close to PPG in the playoffs in recent years too. Kesler is still pretty damn good. Derek Roy has been a 60 point guy throughout his career. Booth's been a 20+ goal scorer for multiple years. Edler, Ballard, Bieksa, Garrison, Hamhuis have all had multiple season where they have been solid top 4 d-men. They had two very good goalies to work with. Higgins, Hansen have been quality role players. Tanev and Corrado showed that they were both capable young nhl d-men. Kassian and Schroeder showed good upside and abililty.

A good coaching staff could have made this team look pretty damn good IMO. And I couldn't care less about the TSN power rankings, they basically just react to the latest hot and cold streaks. I'd rather look at 5on5 puck possession numbers(The teams with better puck possession numbers won 7 of the first 8 series in round 1, people who followed those stats also knew that Detroit was actually the favourite in the ANA series and made some good money off it ).

Would be a much different series with Westbrook. Take Conley out of the Grizzlies lineup and give the Thunder back Westbrook and OKC would dominate. I've actually been impressed with how OKC is holding up in these games with a rookie PG and no inside scorers.


I agree it ends in 6.
- Nucker101

Leave Conley in and bring back Westbrook and Memphis still wins. Memphis is so god damn good defensively it amazing.

Leave Conley in and bring back Westbrook and Memphis still wins. Memphis is so god damn good defensively it amazing.
- Bieksa#3

They're great defensively, no doubt but bring back Westbrook and it goes 7 games either way IMO. OKC has been right in it without him and he's a great player. He makes Durant better since teams can't focus on him as much either. At least some idiot fans will stop with the Durant doesn't need Westbrook BS now.

They're great defensively, no doubt but bring back Westbrook and it goes 7 games either way IMO. OKC has been right in it without him and he's a great player. He makes Durant better since teams can't focus on him as much either. At least some idiot fans will stop with the Durant doesn't need Westbrook BS now.
- Nucker101

OKC just isn't built to win. Been saying this for 2 yrs. Mavricks of 10 yrs ago orSuns. Memphis is a cross between the Spurs and mid decade Pistons. I said 3 months ago that the championship goes to one of 3 teams. Heat, Memphis or the Spurs, and that I believed Memphis would win it

OKC just isn't but to win. Been saying this for 2 yrs. Mavricks of 10 yrs ago orSuns. Memphis is a cross between the Supurs and mid decade Pistons. I said 3 months ago that the championship goes to one of 3 teams. Heat, Memphis or the Spurs, and that I believed Memphis would win it
- Bieksa#3

I don't agree with the OKC being the Mavs or Suns of old, they at least have a top 10 ranked defence this year, but an inside post scorer is still lacking. I like the MEM comparison to the old Pistons/Spurs though.

I still don't think anyone can beat MIA this year(as much as I hate them and would love to see it), adding someone like Ray Allen just made them that much better.

MIA vs MEM would be so interesting since MIA sometimes has LeBron playing PF and goes small with someone like Bosh or Haslem at C, meanwhile Memphis is probably the most physical team in the NBA.

I agree that AV had to play a defensive style while Kesler was out and before Roy got here, but once they were both in the lineup he stuck with that system and that made zero sense. I don't agree that there are 12 teams better than this roster. The Sedins are PPG players(close to PPG in the playoffs in recent years too. Kesler is still pretty damn good. Derek Roy has been a 60 point guy throughout his career. Booth's been a 20+ goal scorer for multiple years. Edler, Ballard, Bieksa, Garrison, Hamhuis have all had multiple season where they have been solid top 4 d-men. They had two very good goalies to work with. Higgins, Hansen have been quality role players. Tanev and Corrado showed that they were both capable young nhl d-men. Kassian and Schroeder showed good upside and abililty.

A good coaching staff could have made this team look pretty damn good IMO. And I couldn't care less about the TSN power rankings, they basically just react to the latest hot and cold streaks. I'd rather look at 5on5 puck possession numbers(The teams with better puck possession numbers won 7 of the first 8 series in round 1, people who followed those stats also knew that Detroit was actually the favourite in the ANA series and made some good money off it ).
- Nucker101

Ana
Chi
SJ
LA
Bos
Pitt
Ott
Tor
NYR
Phi
Det
ST.L

I believ all these teams are better equiped to win a cup over the Canucks. I would put us equal with Minny. We may have ended with more points than some of these teams but our division had something to do with that. I left MTl and Wash off the list but they may be better than us too.

I don't agree with the OKC being the Mavs or Suns of old, they at least have a top 10 ranked defence this year, but an inside post scorer is still lacking. I like the MEM comparison to the old Pistons/Spurs though.

I still don't think anyone can beat MIA this year(as much as I hate them and would love to see it), adding someone like Ray Allen just made them that much better.

MIA vs MEM would be so interesting since MIA sometimes has LeBron playing PF and goes small with someone like Bosh or Haslem at C, meanwhile Memphis is probably the most physical team in the NBA.
- Nucker101

Prince much like he is on Durant, is the perfect guy to defend Labron. Built like a guard but has the length and wingspan to defend the post.
Memphis has to be scare for Miami. Probably the only team that can but 5 guys on the floor that can defend their line up.
ThE only way to beat Miami is defend them and beat them up. Can't run-gun. Clippers/OKC/Knicks/Golden State etc would get smoked in a series. The Grizzilies get more of an advantage the longer any series goes because of their physical play
As far as the comparable, I think they are more like Spurs but Conley is Billups in his prime.His contributions are deeper then the stats sheet. And he takes the big shots and is a better defender

Ana
Chi
SJ
LA
Bos
Pitt
Ott
Tor
NYR
Phi
Det
ST.L

I believ all these teams are better equiped to win a cup over the Canucks. I would put us equal with Minny. We may have ended with more points than some of these teams but our division had something to do with that. I left MTl and Wash off the list but they may be better than us too.
- VANTEL

If this team wants to get better they have to make some serious moves and build. IMO Balllard Lou Booth contracts will hurt this team but others will hurt us as well.

If this team wants to get better they have to make some serious moves and build. IMO Balllard Lou Booth contracts will hurt this team but others will hurt us as well.
- thundachunk

Yep, this brings me back to my original point this morning - this core doesn't necessarily need a blow-up but it certainly needs a shake-up. We won't get what we're looking for in the UFA market and there's nothing of immediate note in the farm. Time for out-of-the-box trading which no one's role being safe if the value is right.

This is basically why I think Gillis should go because I seriously doubt his ability to change the tact he's been on for the past few years.