I agree. The Canucks have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.

Their powerplay was a thing of beauty in years past so it made sense for them to try and draw as many penalties as possible, but they did it at the expense of their team integrity and overall respect factor. Not to mention it made them one of the most hated teams in the league according to numerous opponents and fans league-wide.

I really think they're trying to rehab that image but the curve to do that will be a long and steep one. At his presser, Gillis suggested it's the media's job to make sure everyone knows other teams are diving too. I say, screw that. That's nothing but a diversion.

I'm hoping the Canucks have paid the price in the world of karma, but we'll have to wait and see I guess. All I can say as a fan is...the way they acted in the cup run postseason was pretty fricken embarrassing.

As Flyers coach Mike Keenan used to say to Wayne Gretzky's Oilers and Co...

'Earn your chances!'
- Phratz

Well, that was an unexpected reply...

I think that having a few too many players and a GM who focus on officiating, diving, chirping, etc., can create a questionable team culture. It's all distracting. A team needs to disengage from that stuff and honestly outwork and outplay its opponent.

As far as my Kings go, I won't deny that Brown and Doughty dive and I won't act like the Kings are the the poster child of perfect behavior. But, at the end of the day, I think that my team's culture is one of accountability and not blame.

It's not consistent and really has never been.

I just learned to deal with it and actually try to enjoy games instead of sitting around sulking about it
- FinAddict

Were you saying the same thing last season? How about the season before that? Or for that matter any season the Sharks have made the playoffs?

Well, that was an unexpected reply...

I think that having a few too many players and a GM who focus on officiating, diving, chirping, etc., can create a questionable team culture. It's all distracting. A team needs to disengage from that stuff and honestly outwork and outplay its oppponent.

As far as my Kings go, I won't deny that Brown and Doughty dive and I won't act like the Kings are the the poster child of perfect behavior. But, at the end of the day, I think that my team's culture is one of accountability and not blame.
- GregDM

Agree, that's probably been one of Canucks fans biggest frustrations. Even in post game interviews after a loss, it's rare to see Canucks players say they weren't good enough and that they need to work harder. I do think AV has a lot to do with this and I really hope he gets canned and they hire someone who emphasizes work ethic.

If both panels are talking about it, I think it's worth a blog. These playoffs have stood out for the poor officiating and the NHL has to do something about it. Great that you have accepted it, but some of us would like to see something done about it.
- hankthetank

He's a Sharks fan so he's used to mediocrity. Shark fans set their expectations real low…

Nice to see Blackhawks and Kings fans still enjoy posting in here. Everyone likes a desperate troll.
I think the Canucks need to become squeaky clean like the Kings and Hawks. I don't know how they do it, but not one single player on either of those teams dives or has done anything dirty in their NHL careers.
- hankthetank

Dustin Brown???

Dustin Brown???
- rugdnit

A model player. Ask Kings fans. He never dives.

A model player. Ask Kings fans. He never dives.
- hankthetank

It's all about the Kool Aid. I have never been happy with some of the Canucks antics and knew it would bight us in the arse eventually. The problem is that so many players from so many clubs are guilty of douchey play. Whether it's the diving or faking near death to draw a suspension / penalty. Everybody was so busy calling the Canucks divers in the 11' finals that nobody mentioned Boston was just as bad. This is really on the Refs to get some ball$ and man up. Call it or don't, but be CONSISTENT. If it's a penalty in the first period... It's a penalty in OT. This crap is worse than a blind umps floating strike zone.

Well, that was an unexpected reply...

I think that having a few too many players and a GM who focus on officiating, diving, chirping, etc., can create a questionable team culture. It's all distracting. A team needs to disengage from that stuff and honestly outwork and outplay its opponent.

As far as my Kings go, I won't deny that Brown and Doughty dive and I won't act like the Kings are the the poster child of perfect behavior. But, at the end of the day, I think that my team's culture is one of accountability and not blame.
- GregDM

Don't forget Scuderi in game 6.

I kid I kid.

Sort of.

He's a Sharks fan so he's used to mediocrity. Shark fans set their expectations real low…
- bloatedmosquito

Refs have always sucked. Do yiu think the nucks are the first team to get (frank)ed over by poopty officials? And do you think whining about it on hockeybuzz will change anything? No.

So relax, sit back and enjoy what has been an awesome playoff so far

I'm not saying every game should be called exactly the same (if it were possible, I would love that) but surely there must be something they can do. Whether it's coaches being able to have a challenge flag or video replay on penalties, I don't know.
I know the Canucks have a reputation for diving, but it looks like other teams (Couture) are doing the same thing. It's embarrassing as a fan.
- hankthetank

What if the NHLOA and NHLPA each selected a group of current players and officials (say two referees and two linesmen, a goalie, a offensive defenseman, a stay-at-home defenseman, a checking forward, scoring forward, and an enforcer), put them all up in a hotel somewhere for a month and had them go over each and every rule in the book to tweak, remove, or add? Instead of having the GMs and league officials come up with what works, have the people most affected by the rules decide what should be fair practice.

Once they have worked out a newly streamlined rule book, have the two unions vote on it, cut the GMs out of the process entirely, and have it in place for the start of next season. If the refs and the players can hammer it out, then there is likely to be better compliance to the rules by the players and increased consistency from the refs.

Refs have always sucked. Do yiu think the nucks are the first team to get (frank)ed over by poopty officials? And do you think whining about it on hockeybuzz will change anything? No.

So relax, sit back and enjoy what has been an awesome playoff so far
- FinAddict

Ian, nor any of us, are whining about the officials in the Canucks series. We're saying that in EVERY series the reffing has been awful and that we would like to see it be more consistent. Like I said, it's fine that you just accept it, but some of would actually like to see them do something about it. The diving etc is out of hand. It's embarrassing that you can put your team on the powerplay by taking a dive. Why would you not like to see the game improved?

Refs have always sucked. Do yiu think the nucks are the first team to get (frank)ed over by poopty officials? And do you think whining about it on hockeybuzz will change anything? No.

So relax, sit back and enjoy what has been an awesome playoff so far
- FinAddict

There is a difference between whining and discussion.

It's a big enough problem around the entire NHL to merit talking about. Don't take the cliche route and label it as whining.

Do you think whining about our "whining" on HB will change anything? Cmon man, why are even here then?

What if the NHLOA and NHLPA each selected a group of current players and officials (say two referees and two linesmen, a goalie, a offensive defenseman, a stay-at-home defenseman, a checking forward, scoring forward, and an enforcer), put them all up in a hotel somewhere for a month and had them go over each and every rule in the book to tweak, remove, or add? Instead of having the GMs and league officials come up with what works, have the people most affected by the rules decide what should be fair practice.

Once they have worked out a newly streamlined rule book, have the two unions vote on it, cut the GMs out of the process entirely, and have it in place for the start of next season. If the refs and the players can hammer it out, then there is likely to be better compliance to the rules by the players and increased consistency from the refs.
- salumba

At this point I would welcome any way of trying to improve it. I know it would be tedious, but what about something like the NFL where you're allowed to throw the challenge flag. If it really was a penalty, then that team loses their time out. If the review shows it was a dive or something then the other team gets penalized.
Or if after the game it is obvious that a player dove, they get fined. I think this would help.

Ian, nor any of us, are whining about the officials in the Canucks series. We're saying that in EVERY series the reffing has been awful and that we would like to see it be more consistent. Like I said, it's fine that you just accept it, but some of would actually like to see them do something about it. The diving etc is out of hand. It's embarrassing that you can put your team on the powerplay by taking a dive. Why would you not like to see the game improved?
- hankthetank

I would, I just don't see a solution

[quote=FinAddict]

That's what we're discussing and suggesting. Just because YOU don't see a solution it doesn't mean we can't discuss it. Some of us have offered solutions that I could see working. The officiating is notoriously bad and we want to see the NHL do something about it. I guess that is considered whining?

At this point I would welcome any way of trying to improve it. I know it would be tedious, but what about something like the NFL where you're allowed to throw the challenge flag. If it really was a penalty, then that team loses their time out. If the review shows it was a dive or something then the other team gets penalized.
Or if after the game it is obvious that a player dove, they get fined. I think this would help.
- hankthetank

I'm leery of the challenge flag, though the NFL has done most of the testing with it and managed to get it to a point where it doesn't slow things down too much. I think its application to hockey is problematic. I do like the idea of automatic fines for dives, though, and of increasing amounts for repeat offences.

One way to deal with diving is to just use rule 64.3 more often to fine players after league video review.

I'd consider this a good example of a play that should have drawn a fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvIKRmqnNmc

One way to deal with diving is to just use rule 64.3 more often to fine players after league video review.

I'd consider this a good example of a play that should have drawn a fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvIKRmqnNmc
- GregDM

Good example.

I like that approach.

That's what we're discussing and suggesting. Just because YOU don't see a solution it doesn't mean we can't discuss it. Some of us have offered solutions that I could see working. The officiating is notoriously bad and we want to see the NHL do something about it. I guess that is considered whining?
- hankthetank

I'm yet to see a suggestion about how to fix officiating. Just a collective female dog about it.

Troll thread by Ian

One way to deal with diving is to just use rule 64.3 more often to fine players after league video review.

I'd consider this a good example of a play that should have drawn a fine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvIKRmqnNmc
- GregDM

Ya, I think fining would be the best thing. It's very simple to implement. The NHL should just start doing it more. There are plenty of examples out there (Kesler, Doughty, Brown etc) that we could look at it.

I'm yet to see a suggestion about how to fix officiating. Just a collective female dog about it.

Troll thread by Ian
- FinAddict

Are you serious??
Look at the posts again. We're discussing it right now. Are you even reading anything?

We have to stop talking about the refs, the calls, the excuses.

And I am also talking about stopping blogging about it.

It is true the Canucks built their winning ways on a strong powerplay that in turn created a structure of head whipping, checking lips for blood, and flailing when touched, bumped or nudged.

I hate it and find it to be a disgrace to the game.

Now it is important to point out that the whole NHL has started the whinny divey antics, and some are better at it than others.

My dream would be to eliminate one ref from the game, take out the instigator rule and the 4 minutes if there is blood rule. Basically take us back to the 80's minus the clutching and grabbing.

As Canucks fans though, our management, team, fans and organization need to adapt to the game instead of whining about the outcomes that happened because we didn't adapt quick enough.

I'm yet to see a suggestion about how to fix officiating. Just a collective female dog about it.

Troll thread by Ian
- FinAddict

And you fell for it...?

So when is Vigneault getting canned? I'd like to throw a party!!

And you fell for it...?
- Mattjd123

He clearly didn't even read it, or any of the posts in here.