Fleury did have 2 pretty weak goals go in granted, but he is not totally to blame for our 2 losses.

Fleury should start game 1, if he doesn't I wouldn't be shocked; but I would be disappointed.
- nbartley9

No, he wasn't fully to blame for that series going six. The defense sucked among other things - energy level, patience level, discipline, effort at times. That said, Fleury makes the routine saves - the three or four goals that should have been stopped and we clinch in four, not six.

Two of Okposo's goals and a Cizakas goal was embarrassing to let in.

Quick and Thomas for us!
- kill.monsters

thomas?!?!?!?! are you serious?

there are a bunch of better options then him for team USA

anderson, miller, schneider......hell i'd probably even give the nod to bishop and elliott over thomas.

08' Cup Final, 2 wins away from holding the Cup, MAF was instrumental.
09' Won the Cup.
He practically won the WSH series single handedly for us.

He has had some success.
- nbartley9

You're livin in the past bro, 3 straight postseasons of disaster, end this experiment!

08' Cup Final, 2 wins away from holding the Cup, MAF was instrumental.
09' Won the Cup.
He practically won the WSH series single handedly for us.

He has had some success.
- nbartley9

Are you referring to the game where he gave up 4 goals or where he gave up 5 goals? Or the 2 games where he gave up 3 goals?

Also, I'll be about 35 minutes East of Pittsburgh from the 20th-24th. Any chance there might be Game either Wed/Thurs?

Also, do they still have that big 60' or whatever size monitor outside? I'd like to be able to watch Games 3/4 on it if so.
- jmatchett383

The big screen is still there. As for the games 20-24th its still to early for that. They don't even know when Game 2 is yet. A job well done by the NHL.

The big screen is still there. As for the games 20-24th its still to early for that. They don't even know when Game 2 is yet. A job well done by the NHL.
- kgrpitt

Do they show all of the games on it, or just home games? Also, didn't they have to shut it down at some point because of broadcast rights?

Are you referring to the game where he gave up 4 goals or where he gave up 5 goals? Or the 2 games where he gave up 3 goals?
- jmatchett383

Im referring to him making the countless saves on Ovie on the PP break aways and in over time that team was an offensive juggernaut. MAF was huge in that series.

I'm curious as to how many people bashing Fleury have ever goaltended at ANY level of hockey competition higher than a net in the street....

Im referring to him making the countless saves on Ovie on the PP break aways and in over time that team was an offensive juggernaut. MAF was huge in that series.
- nbartley9

He was very good in that series and made some big saves. He played fairly well in both the 2008 and 2009 runs. Outside of that, he has been average, at best.

Which isn't a bad thing. This team is so stacked that all you really need is slightly above-average goaltending to win when you're easily capable of potting 3-4 a night. And the team has done their goalies no favors with the horrid turnovers and a 1-and-dones in the offensive zone.

All that said, MAF, I think, has severe confidence issues right now. If there's a possible replacement out there (especially cheaper), you may want to move him for some picks/prospects, and move on. Would also make it easier to keep both Letang and Malkin.

Go back to Fleury!!! He's just better when he gets going and having Vokoun really takes the pressure off of Bylsma here.

Im referring to him making the countless saves on Ovie on the PP break aways and in over time that team was an offensive juggernaut. MAF was huge in that series.
- nbartley9

I would be very surprised if he is back in 13-14. Shero is too pro active and hockey smart to continue this. I have loved MAF for many years, perhaps one of my favorite players above Sid, Geno, anyone. I just can't defend him anymore and don't think he will ever overcome this obstacle

I'm curious as to how many people bashing Fleury have ever goaltended at ANY level of hockey competition higher than a net in the street....
- Kineada

I'm sure most of us have played either in the CHL or AHL, as you must be at a level akin to those to be able to tell the difference between high-quality scoring chances and low-quality scoring chances.

MAF is not some terrible goalie. He's extremely athletic, and has, in the past, been a world-class goalie. However, the 3 awful goals he allowed (among some other "iffy" at best ones) were the 3 goal margin that won NYI 2 games. He makes those saves, it's probably a 4 or 5 game series. I think he's damaged mentally right now.

Im referring to him making the countless saves on Ovie on the PP break aways and in over time that team was an offensive juggernaut. MAF was huge in that series.
- nbartley9

How many years ago was that? Remind me how he looked against Tampa; Philly and the Islanders.

Fleury is a very good regular-season goalie. Sure, he has won a Cup and got to the finals another year. That said, he isn't much of a play-off goalie right now. He isn't one you bank your hopes on. Then again, Vokoun isn't either. That said, I have more faith in one goalie over the other right now based on what I saw int he first series. It's not hard to comprehend, unless you didn't watch the series or are Stevie Wonderish.

How many years ago was that? Remind me how he looked against Tampa; Philly and the Islanders.
- Oneonta Penguin

And Montreal.

Do they show all of the games on it, or just home games? Also, didn't they have to shut it down at some point because of broadcast rights?
- jmatchett383

All the games should be played on it. I am not sure if Canada has different tv rights and since we are playing Ottawa I am unsure about that. They should be releasing something about it soon.

Edit: http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=670464

I'm sure most of us have played either in the CHL or AHL, as you must be at a level akin to those to be able to tell the difference between high-quality scoring chances and low-quality scoring chances.

MAF is not some terrible goalie. He's extremely athletic, and has, in the past, been a world-class goalie. However, the 3 awful goals he allowed (among some other "iffy" at best ones) were the 3 goal margin that won NYI 2 games. He makes those saves, it's probably a 4 or 5 game series. I think he's damaged mentally right now.
- jmatchett383

He's not a playoff goalie, part of MAF's greatness and downfall is he overcommits on EVERYTHING. If it equates to a save, it looks phenomenal. If it doesn't it looks like he overcommitted. In the reg season his overagressiveness is cute, in the playoffs it makes my stomach turn


The only way he stays in Pitt is if he changes his game. Can an old dog learn new tricks?

And Montreal.
- jmatchett383

We ran into a very hot goalie in Halak. If Halak didn't play like he did, we win that series going away.

Either way, you buyout Fleury in the offseason or trade him, dont want to see 29 in a Pens uni again
- ernmerica

So glad you're not Shero... Stanley Cup winning goaltenders are a dime a dozen I guess. There was a reason Vokoun was a UFA in the first place and he's not getting any younger. My god people the Flyers have had a good team for a decade but stuck with terrible goaltending and you want to dump Fleury without a replacement?

So glad you're not Shero... Stanley Cup winning goaltenders are a dime a dozen. There was a reason Vokoun was a UFA in the first place and he's not getting any younger. My god people the Flyers have had a good team for a decade but stuck with terrible goaltending and you want to dump Fleury without a replacement?
- lloyd095

That's fine, lets see the pens allow 5 goals a game nearly every postseason game for years to come, sounds good to me! This isn't an isolated situation

I'm sure most of us have played either in the CHL or AHL, as you must be at a level akin to those to be able to tell the difference between high-quality scoring chances and low-quality scoring chances.

MAF is not some terrible goalie. He's extremely athletic, and has, in the past, been a world-class goalie. However, the 3 awful goals he allowed (among some other "iffy" at best ones) were the 3 goal margin that won NYI 2 games. He makes those saves, it's probably a 4 or 5 game series. I think he's damaged mentally right now.
- jmatchett383

I've played enough organized hockey to know that when your team is playing zero defense in front of you, there's only so much you can do in net. When your so-called Norris calibre defenseman has a habit of gift-wrapping the puck for the other team directly in the slot, there's only so much you can do in net. When your wingers leave the opposing defensemen wide open on the point without ensuring no passes make it through, there's only so much you can do in net.

Yes, when Fleury has to see the same crap, year after year, that have led to a series of first-round exits and almost-first-round exits, then it's going to start messing with him a bit. Especially coming from a team that played well in the regular season, and then decided to completely slack off when the playoffs rolled around.

Fleury stinks. Anderson is one of the best goalies in the NHL this year, you can't afford to give you cheesy goals

So glad you're not Shero... Stanley Cup winning goaltenders are a dime a dozen I guess. There was a reason Vokoun was a UFA in the first place and he's not getting any younger. My god people the Flyers have had a good team for a decade but stuck with terrible goaltending and you want to dump Fleury without a replacement?
- lloyd095

Actually, Vokoun was acquired via trade and signed prior to free agency. But I agree, he's not a long-term solution.
I don't think buying out MAF is the answer, as he has significant trade value (hello, Calgary!) But I don't think he has another SC run in him either. As someone said, for every spectacular save, he lets in a horrid goal.

Fleury stinks. Anderson is one of the best goalies in the NHL this year, you can't afford to give you cheesy goals
- t_leafs21

Fleury doesn't stink. He is a very good regular-season goalie that has had little success in the play-offs outside of two years.

I've played enough organized hockey to know that when your team is playing zero defense in front of you, there's only so much you can do in net. When your so-called Norris calibre defenseman has a habit of gift-wrapping the puck for the other team directly in the slot, there's only so much you can do in net. When your wingers leave the opposing defensemen wide open on the point without ensuring no passes make it through, there's only so much you can do in net.

Yes, when Fleury has to see the same crap, year after year, that have led to a series of first-round exits and almost-first-round exits, then it's going to start messing with him a bit. Especially coming from a team that played well in the regular season, and then decided to completely slack off when the playoffs rolled around.
- Kineada

When their d-man shoots the puck off the glass and it rolls out infront of the net and goes in, theres only so much you can do as a team.

When their forward goes wide, you're d-man plays him to the outside and slips a backhander along the ice and youre goalie dives out for a pokecheck and it goes right through him and deflects into the net, there's only so much you can do as a team.


Won't be able to beat Ottawa 5-4 every game. Go with the winning goalie right now

Fleury doesn't stink. He is a very good regular-season goalie that has had little success in the play-offs outside of two years.
- Oneonta Penguin

Suggest you ride the hot goalie. Isn't that what you do in the playoffs? Vokoun for sure for now. Defense and goaltending won the last series and when and if Vokoun falters play MAF. But not until that time.