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Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 11:01 AM ET
He's not that bad, but he's failed to have a good playoff run, despite having two of the 5 best players in the world on his roster. He's made some fantastic trades on paper, that haven't been enough to push them over the top.

He's made a lot of big, bold moves that haven't gotten his team to the mountaintop.


His draft record isn't that great, with Jordan Staal being the lone player drafted under Shero to play more than 100 NHL games. In fact, in the last 5 years, the Penguins have drafted 3 players that have even seen a NHL shift-and one of those was Alexander Pechurski, who played 36 minutes in goal for the Pens in 2009-10

- Jsaquella



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 13 @ 11:01 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?

- MrBigglesworth


In which way is Shero so much better at asset management?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 11:04 AM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet


In the same 5 year period, the Flyers have drafted 7 players who reached the NHL, with 2 of them playing over 100 NHL games(Couturier & Sbisa).

To be fair, the Pens have some highly rated picks that simply haven't reached the NHL yet(Derrick Pouliot, Olli Maatta, the since traded Joe Morrow), but over the width and breadth of Shero's run, he's been a subpar drafter.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 11:08 AM ET
In the same 5 year period, the Flyers have drafted 7 players who reached the NHL, with 2 of them playing over 100 NHL games(Couturier & Sbisa).

To be fair, the Pens have some highly rated picks that simply haven't reached the NHL(Derrick Pouliot, Olli Maatta, the since traded Joe Morrow), but over the width and breadth of Shero's run, he's been a subpar drafter.

- Jsaquella



flyers have 8 if you count laughton
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 11:12 AM ET
flyers have 8 if you count laughton
- Don'tForgetTocchet


I counted him, but missed Oliver Lauridsen
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
He's not that bad, but he's failed to have a good playoff run, despite having two of the 5 best players in the world on his roster. He's made some fantastic trades on paper, that haven't been enough to push them over the top.

He's made a lot of big, bold moves that haven't gotten his team to the mountaintop.


His draft record isn't that great, with Jordan Staal being the lone player drafted under Shero to play more than 100 NHL games. In fact, in the last 5 years, the Penguins have drafted 3 players that have even seen a NHL shift-and one of those was Alexander Pechurski, who played 36 minutes in goal for the Pens in 2009-10

- Jsaquella

I was mostly being obnoxious, but this illustrates pretty well how over-rated Shero is. Having said two players, as well as a recognizable hockey name, has served him well.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

May 13 @ 11:28 AM ET
Why is Shero sooo much better GM than Homer ?

Even with Flower being horrid every single playoffs after they won the cup, Shero still is far better at asset management than Homer.. what gives ?

- MrBigglesworth


I'm not a big Holmgren fan and agree with the sentiment that he is bad at cap/asset management but it's a lot easier to GM if you get the 1st overall pick for a few years in a row.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 13 @ 11:43 AM ET
Shero is by far an inferior GM. To name a few:

Gifted Crosby and Malkin.

Took Jordan Staal over Jonathan Toews in the draft. (I understand the rationale for doing it, just wholeheartedly disagree with it)

Grossly overpaid for stiffs Douglas Murray and Brendan Morrow this past deadline. Overpaid for Iginla, too (relative to what the Bruins gave up for Jagr).

Overvalued and overpaid MAF.

To be fair, had some good moves though, too: the Pascal Dupuis/Hossa trade. Signing Vokoun. Building a strong defense. James Neal trade.

- bradleyc4


I'm still amazed that deal was even offered. There were 28 other GMs who would have done that deal. Also, kinda crazy that Dupuis has become the centerpiece of the Hossa deal.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

May 13 @ 11:45 AM ET
I'm not a big Holmgren fan and agree with the sentiment that he is bad at cap/asset management but it's a lot easier to GM if you get the 1st overall pick for a few years in a row.
- phillydentist



Holmgren has done a good job as gm, he's not ken holland but hes certainly in the top 3rd of gms.
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

May 13 @ 11:49 AM ET
I'm still amazed that deal was even offered. There were 28 other GMs who would have done that deal. Also, kinda crazy that Dupuis has become the centerpiece of the Hossa deal.
- jmatchett383


Thats how speculative trades work though. Goligoski was supposed to be a letang like player and neal was a tough 20 goal power forward. Sometimes they work out sometimes they don't.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 13 @ 11:53 AM ET
If he can't rebound from a minor setback, then he was never going to be a stud.

Pelle Lindbergh was sent back to the AHL the season before he won the Vezina

- Jsaquella


he even wore a horrible billy smith helmet/cage while doing it. surprised it didn't ruin him.
puckhog
Joined: 08.29.2008

May 13 @ 12:05 PM ET
When are you ever going to write a comprehensive blog? Your drivel is baseless and amateurish at best.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 13 @ 12:06 PM ET
I'm still amazed that deal was even offered. There were 28 other GMs who would have done that deal. Also, kinda crazy that Dupuis has become the centerpiece of the Hossa deal.
- jmatchett383


I still think James Neal is a bit overrated (how hard is it to bang home 25 Malkin rebounds a season?), but you can't argue with the results.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

May 13 @ 12:07 PM ET
He's the Ruin Tomorrow Jr of hockey.
- BulliesPhan87


If even hockey fans know how bad Amaro is, why does he still have a job?

Atrocious. IMO, most positions in the real world are not filled by the most qualified people. Philly.com "journalists" barely write at a high school level.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 13 @ 12:10 PM ET
When are you ever going to write a comprehensive blog? Your drivel is baseless and amateurish at best.
- puckhog

dafuq?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 12:11 PM ET
dafuq?
- aightwebang17



random
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

May 13 @ 12:19 PM ET
When are you ever going to write a comprehensive blog? Your drivel is baseless and amateurish at best.
- puckhog


Troll...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 12:20 PM ET
When are you ever going to write a comprehensive blog? Your drivel is baseless and amateurish at best.
- puckhog


Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 12:22 PM ET

- bmeltzer



friend of yours?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 13 @ 12:26 PM ET
Troll...
- WarriorHockey21


i think puckhog is jesting. surely.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 13 @ 12:27 PM ET
friend of yours?
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Nope, just a random troll who won't be trolling again for awhile.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

May 13 @ 12:27 PM ET
i think puckhog is jesting. surely.
- hammarby31


Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

May 13 @ 12:31 PM ET
Nope, just a random troll who won't be trolling again for awhile.
- bmeltzer



whoopsie
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 13 @ 12:34 PM ET
Nope, just a random troll who won't be trolling again for awhile.
- bmeltzer


Well to be fair, you've never given us a Cloutier-like glimpse into your physical shortcomings and have yet to suggest a trade of Max Talbot for Henrik Lundqvist
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 13 @ 12:41 PM ET
Watching the Ducks Red Wings game last night, it made me think the Flyers defense was no worse then those two teams. The Ducks had Ben Lovejoy on the point for their first PP unit. Those two have some pretty good goaltending and forwards, but the D was not that great.

It made me think the Flyers had a good enough team to make the play offs and I got mad at Lavi. Useless exercise in frustration.

That Emerson Etem looked very good in a losing cause, one of the best Ducks last night.

The crowd outside watching the big screen in Toronto looked like they had a blast yesterday. All they needed was some Pitbull action.
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