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section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

May 10 @ 7:14 AM ET
Love seeing the Flyers updates from the Worlds, Bill. Thanks. So, Frank Sevaralli mentioned a rumor that we may be chasing Weber again. http://mobile.philly.com/...ports/flyers&id=206692161

Had you heard this as well? Any legs to it or is it just "stir the pot speculation" because there is no Flyers hockey to report on and that's my job...type of thing. And while Nashville didn't fair well this year and will have paid Weber $26 MM by July 1... Why on earth would they consider trading the league's best #1 D man after already paying so much of that contract? And the there is the other half of the equation. Who they want in return. Frank mentioned Read or Schenn or Coots. Would you do Coots, Laughton, and a 1st? I think that may not even get it done. Although Weber had an off season.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 7:32 AM ET
Any chance that the New York Islanders might take Bryz off our hands? They seem to have both the need and the cap space to take him on, and I think he would be a nice match for them. But then again, maybe the owners aren't willing to take on that huge contract?

I don't know, I have enjoyed his honesty this season, and most of his games. Tough choices to be made.

Edit: Or for that matter: any chance that anyone might take Bryz off our hands?

- Bearintheforest


If Bryz is traded, the Flyers still face cap recapture penalties if he retires early. I doubt, highly, that there is a market for him
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 10 @ 7:35 AM ET
Love seeing the Flyers updates from the Worlds, Bill. Thanks. So, Frank Sevaralli mentioned a rumor that we may be chasing Weber again. http://mobile.philly.com/...ports/flyers&id=206692161

Had you heard this as well? Any legs to it or is it just "stir the pot speculation" because there is no Flyers hockey to report on and that's my job...type of thing. And while Nashville didn't fair well this year and will have paid Weber $26 MM by July 1... Why on earth would they consider trading the league's best #1 D man after already paying so much of that contract? And the there is the other half of the equation. Who they want in return. Frank mentioned Read or Schenn or Coots. Would you do Coots, Laughton, and a 1st? I think that may not even get it done. Although Weber had an off season.

- section32

The cost is much higher as they already turned down much more. Youre looking at Coots and three 1sts at least.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

May 10 @ 7:39 AM ET
Love seeing the Flyers updates from the Worlds, Bill. Thanks. So, Frank Sevaralli mentioned a rumor that we may be chasing Weber again. http://mobile.philly.com/...ports/flyers&id=206692161

Had you heard this as well? Any legs to it or is it just "stir the pot speculation" because there is no Flyers hockey to report on and that's my job...type of thing. And while Nashville didn't fair well this year and will have paid Weber $26 MM by July 1... Why on earth would they consider trading the league's best #1 D man after already paying so much of that contract? And the there is the other half of the equation. Who they want in return. Frank mentioned Read or Schenn or Coots. Would you do Coots, Laughton, and a 1st? I think that may not even get it done. Although Weber had an off season.

- section32


By my count, there are only 11 such No. 1 defensemen in the NHL. My list (in no particular order): Weber, Suter, Duncan Keith, Brian Campbell, Drew Doughty, Zdeno Chara, Erik Karlsson, Keith Yandle, Mike Green, Dustin Byfuglien, Kris Letang. Whether you'd like to include Jay Bouwmeester, Dion Phaneuf or even Jack Johnson is your prerogative

Frank thinks Brian Campbell, Yandle, Green & Byfuglien are number one defensemen. This is kinda what Bryz means when he says there's media guys that don't understand the game.

Frank deals in half-assed speculation. Nashville isn't trading Weber, and if they do, the Flyers would likely be the last team they move him to. The cost would likely gut the team's depth.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 10 @ 8:01 AM ET
We've seen this before.

- MJL

Dubious journalism + Lack of hockey knowledge + Have to write *something* to sell copy = Wag the Dog
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 10 @ 8:04 AM ET
thanks Bill

TGIF!!!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 10 @ 8:55 AM ET
YAWN
Is it draft day yet, I'm bored!

I very much enjoyed watching the Sens knock out the Habs last night, however the Pens game was not nearly as much fun. Oh well
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

May 10 @ 8:56 AM ET
I don't care about the comments. I don't care if he and his teammates get along. Get him some blinking help on the blueline, some forwards that will commit to team D and play tough, and that's it. I didn't want Bryz here but he's the Flyers goalie. Maybe he shouldn't be, but that has nothing to do with the subjects the local media discusses. It should be about him giving the team a chance to win. Of course, this past season was about the team not giving him a chance to win because they were anemic offensively and porous defensively until it was too late.
- Flyskippy

bryz is very shrewd. he knows the team doesn't want him out there b1tching about the media. i think he wants out.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

May 10 @ 8:58 AM ET
Flyers will trade
Sean Couturier
player selected with the 2013th 11th overall
2014 1st
2015 1st
Cash
for
Shea Weber
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 10 @ 9:02 AM ET
Flyers will trade
Sean Couturier
player selected with the 2013th 11th overall
2014 1st
2015 1st
Cash
for
Shea Weber

- Winning

thoughts?
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

May 10 @ 9:02 AM ET
thoughts?
- Crimsoninja

i love u
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 10 @ 9:05 AM ET
Flyers will trade
Sean Couturier
player selected with the 2013th 11th overall
2014 1st
2015 1st
Cash
for
Shea Weber

- Winning

I would swing that, but it's going to take A LOT of cap moving to fit him in here on a competitive team, if in fact these rumors are true.

I'd give up the following for Weber:

Coburn and/or Meszaros
Read
Laughton
2013 1st
2014 1st
Cash
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:12 AM ET
I dont see why he cant just keep his mouth shut on the issue.

Whats he going to win exactly? Feeding them more, and more.

Are the odds that it will make it a better environment for him and the team? Or a worse one?

Rediculous. He showed earlier this season that he could just avoid the drama, but when things started to get bad on the ice, he couldnt keep his mouth shut or just stick to the cliche responses.

- flyer_nutter


The Bryz apologist brigade can certainly take issue with this, but the fact (yes, fact) is that from what we have seen and read from Bryz in the press, Bryz seems WAY too concerned with things he can't control (i.e.--the media, the actions of his teammates on the ice, Lavy) rather than those things he can control (i.e.-- his play on the ice).
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 10 @ 9:12 AM ET
As for all this Bryz-talk, good or bad, about his recent interview, it's just sad. I really feel for the guy. Sure, he didn't make it easy on himself when he first got here. But since then, he's really made an effort to curb his antics, and try and get on the same page as the team with respect to PR. The media takes literally everything he says or does and spins in it the worst possible way. He hasn't gotten a fair shakedown during his time here. He is a good enough goalie to win us a Cup, I'm sure of it. I pray they keep him this year and he maintains the form we saw early on in the year. In all honesty, I hope Mason plays well and his trade-value goes back up pretty high, and we can then maybe even deal Mason at the deadline or off-season to obtain some more assets we're in need of.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:14 AM ET
Are we really going to hold Angry Birds tweets against the guy? For real?
- BulliesPhan87


Not me.

Apparently, he was the only Russian hockey player in the World Championships to do anything of note with his new high score in Angry Birds Star Wars.

I wonder which Angry Bird is his favorite.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 10 @ 9:14 AM ET
The Bryz apologist brigade can certainly take issue with this, but the fact (yes, fact) is that from what we have seen and read from Bryz in the press, Bryz seems WAY too concerned with things he can't control (i.e.--the media, the actions of his teammates on the ice, Lavy) rather than those things he can control (i.e.-- his play on the ice).
- johndewar

Really? You think so? I think he's been discussing these issues so much because it's all the media seems to want to come at him with... I actually do believe him when he says he doesn't care about those things, despite the frequency at which he discusses them. However, I think this is largely due to the media and their inability to talk about things that can help the team, not distract them and cause issues.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:17 AM ET
Really? You think so? I think he's been discussing these issues so much because it's all the media seems to want to come at him with... I actually do believe him when he says he doesn't care about those things, despite the frequency at which he discusses them. However, I think this is largely due to the media and their inability to talk about things that can help the team, not distract them and cause issues.
- Flyers_V88


Then Bryz should stop answering the questions and stop making himself available. He can choose not to talk. He directly controls that.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 10 @ 9:20 AM ET
The Bryz apologist brigade can certainly take issue with this, but the fact (yes, fact) is that from what we have seen and read from Bryz in the press, Bryz seems WAY too concerned with things he can't control (i.e.--the media, the actions of his teammates on the ice, Lavy) rather than those things he can control (i.e.-- his play on the ice).
- johndewar

I'll agree it's fact that he's obviously concerned with the media. It's definitely an assumption that he cares more about the media than about his play, though.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'll agree it's fact that he's obviously concerned with the media. It's definitely an assumption that he cares more about the media than about his play, though.
- BulliesPhan87


Maybe, but here's the thing: He needs to let it go. Whatever has been written is there and there is nothing to be done about it at this point.

Really, I'm just glad he wasn't in net for that game yesterday. Can you imagine the hue and cry if he lost that game to France?
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

May 10 @ 9:29 AM ET
Then Bryz should stop answering the questions and stop making himself available. He can choose not to talk. He directly controls that.
- johndewar

This is true, I'd prefer if he said less than more, for his own good. But, I do believe he just wants to be given a fair chance and for the media to not take everything he says and try to find some alternate meaning or some crap. He was much, much, much better this year with his comments and rhetoric, yet, the media still found ways to spin or poke fun at whatever he said. I guess it's something he'll just have to deal with though.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 10 @ 9:32 AM ET
Maybe, but here's the thing: He needs to let it go. Whatever has been written is there and there is nothing to be done about it at this point.

Really, I'm just glad he wasn't in net for that game yesterday. Can you imagine the hue and cry if he lost that game to France?

- johndewar

But he didn't lose the game to France, so it doesn't matter. Look, he's not fixing his media problem by engaging it, but I'm not going to demand he cuts it out. He's human, he has a right to speak his mind, even if it might make waves. It's not like he's leaking locker room goings on. At this point, I don't think he's making things worse (they're troubled, and will remain troubled). Conversely, I don't expect he nor the media will make it better.

The only iota of speculation I'm buying into is this: He kind of sounds like a guy who knows his fate is sealed.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 10 @ 9:34 AM ET
bryz is very shrewd. he knows the team doesn't want him out there b1tching about the media. i think he wants out.
- isaiah520

Begging the question. A lot of assumption here.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:35 AM ET
This is true, I'd prefer if he said less than more, for his own good. But, I do believe he just wants to be given a fair chance and for the media to not take everything he says and try to find some alternate meaning or some crap. He was much, much, much better this year with his comments and rhetoric, yet, the media still found ways to spin or poke fun at whatever he said. I guess it's something he'll just have to deal with though.
- Flyers_V88


I agree, the local media seems vaguely obsessed with him because he came in here with a reputation as a good quote. The Barkann stuff, trying to get Bryz to sound like Borat was pretty awful and frankly, I kinda lost respect for Barkann because of that the same way I lost respect for guys like Mike Missannelli for his remarks about the Flyers and Flyers fans over the years.

But again, Bryz can't control all that. Just worry about stopping the puck.

Is there a single fan that would care if Bryz froze out the media? Probably not.

Beat writers will complain about it, but fans, at the end of the day, really don't care if professional athletes talk to the media or not.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 10 @ 9:35 AM ET
bryz is very shrewd. he knows the team doesn't want him out there b1tching about the media. i think he wants out.
- isaiah520


Well, if he really wants out, I want Holmgren to oblige him at this point.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

May 10 @ 9:36 AM ET
Maybe, but here's the thing: He needs to let it go. Whatever has been written is there and there is nothing to be done about it at this point.

Really, I'm just glad he wasn't in net for that game yesterday. Can you imagine the hue and cry if he lost that game to France?

- johndewar

Yes, the assumes would be doing even more assuming...
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