Well crap, if you had not been such an incredible idiot back then, you could have called me and I would've told you that any team in the hands of Mike Keenan or Jacques Martin was a recipe for disaster. Your problem appears to be you believed in those buffoons. But if you cannot see the difference between present management (not ownership- management) and those clowns then there really actually is no reason to correspond with you here.
- clarkey

what's the difference between then and now?

We had really good talent with Weiss, Horton, Bouwmeester, Booth, Frolik, Olesz but never got a team around them. Always had good goaltending and still had no one around these guys.

Now we have Huby (because of his size, might not last long in the NHL), Markstrom (far from a starting goalie), Shore, Gudbranson (not even close to what Bouwmeester was) and that's basically it for now. You can't say Bjugstad, Howden Petrovic are part of the team yet until they earn a spot. Who has Tallon put around Huberdeau? please don't say Mueller, the guy is a 3rd line player at best. Flash, Steeger are good comp players but other than them we have a team full of 3rd/4th liners like Kopecky, Bergenhiem, Matthias.... If Weiss doesn't resign then Tallon would be following Martin by having our young guns take all the licks and pressure of an NHL season as first line players when they are not even close to being on that line. I see the this team going down that same path. Huberdeau is having hip surgery, I wonder why?? playing against top lines all season was not suppose to happen, that's a recipe for disaster in his rookie season.

Tallon already made a mistake with Grabner, already made a mistake by trading Horton, made the mistake in drafting Gudbranson 3rd overall when the Ducks drafted in the mid 20s and got a way better player in Flower. Made a mistake drafting Howden, his drafting in Chicago was abysmal as well. Other than the obvious guys like Towes and Kane, his other first rounders ended up being busts, Skille, Beach....

Next year is the year we'll know for sure what's going on with this team. If they are a bottom 5 team again, then something needs to be done. Dineen SHOULD NOT BE FIRED, it's not his fault Tallon can't put a competitive team on the ice.

In short, as a fan, I've been asking for a top line scorer ever since Bure got traded, the team STILL has yet to fill that void. It's a shame, and it's even more of a shame that you guys can't see it. It's pretty obvious Tallon is headed down the same path to failure.

Lets play the futures game, come back a few years from now and tell me how right I was on Bjugstad. Don't see anything special with this kid, doesn't produce at the junior level anymore and didn't play outstanding in the 15 or so games he played in this year.

Other than Huberdeau and Petrovic in my opinion of course, are the only two guys I'm really excited about because it stands out when both of them play. Howden shows flashes here and there but he reminds me of a young Skille, a guy with speed but is absolutely clueless on how to finish, gets pushed around all over the ice. Shore is a worker, I think he could be a strong 3rd/4th liner player for us down the line. Markstrom was inconsistent at best this season, some games he fell asleep and some he was a human wall. Gudbranson has played down to his capabilities, he's slow when he turns his hips, he gets burned a lot. Definitely not worth a 3rd overall selection (Tallon's first pick as GM of the Panthers).

Pick apart my assessments...

Lets play the futures game, come back a few years from now and tell me how right I was on Bjugstad. Don't see anything special with this kid, doesn't produce at the junior level anymore and didn't play outstanding in the 15 or so games he played in this year.

Other than Huberdeau and Petrovic in my opinion of course, are the only two guys I'm really excited about because it stands out when both of them play. Howden shows flashes here and there but he reminds me of a young Skille, a guy with speed but is absolutely clueless on how to finish, gets pushed around all over the ice. Shore is a worker, I think he could be a strong 3rd/4th liner player for us down the line. Markstrom was inconsistent at best this season, some games he fell asleep and some he was a human wall. Gudbranson has played down to his capabilities, he's slow when he turns his hips, he gets burned a lot. Definitely not worth a 3rd overall selection (Tallon's first pick as GM of the Panthers).

Pick apart my assessments...
- BallardHitsHard22

How about we don't and just leave it in the hands of neutral experts:

www.hockeysfuture.com

Until you start employing all of their scouts, experience, and materials and above all else neutrality I think I'll leave it in the hands of the experts, who have now promoted the Panthers to the #1 prospect pool in the NHL (they were #2 last season).

But please, by all means, being the enormous and self-proclaimed better than most schooled Panther fan, keep claiming Bjugstad will suck, but before I go....will it make you feel better if the Panthers trade Bjugstad now (seeing as he's "nothing special") and watch him blossom on another team? That seems to be what you'd prefer, and thats sure as sh__t what Keenan and Martin would have done, hmmm....

what's the difference between then and now?

We had really good talent with Weiss, Horton, Bouwmeester, Booth, Frolik, Olesz but never got a team around them. Always had good goaltending and still had no one around these guys.

Now we have Huby (because of his size, might not last long in the NHL), Markstrom (far from a starting goalie), Shore, Gudbranson (not even close to what Bouwmeester was) and that's basically it for now. You can't say Bjugstad, Howden Petrovic are part of the team yet until they earn a spot. Who has Tallon put around Huberdeau? please don't say Mueller, the guy is a 3rd line player at best. Flash, Steeger are good comp players but other than them we have a team full of 3rd/4th liners like Kopecky, Bergenhiem, Matthias.... If Weiss doesn't resign then Tallon would be following Martin by having our young guns take all the licks and pressure of an NHL season as first line players when they are not even close to being on that line. I see the this team going down that same path. Huberdeau is having hip surgery, I wonder why?? playing against top lines all season was not suppose to happen, that's a recipe for disaster in his rookie season.

Tallon already made a mistake with Grabner, already made a mistake by trading Horton, made the mistake in drafting Gudbranson 3rd overall when the Ducks drafted in the mid 20s and got a way better player in Flower. Made a mistake drafting Howden, his drafting in Chicago was abysmal as well. Other than the obvious guys like Towes and Kane, his other first rounders ended up being busts, Skille, Beach....

Next year is the year we'll know for sure what's going on with this team. If they are a bottom 5 team again, then something needs to be done. Dineen SHOULD NOT BE FIRED, it's not his fault Tallon can't put a competitive team on the ice.

In short, as a fan, I've been asking for a top line scorer ever since Bure got traded, the team STILL has yet to fill that void. It's a shame, and it's even more of a shame that you guys can't see it. It's pretty obvious Tallon is headed down the same path to failure.
- BallardHitsHard22

Tallon made no mistakes with Grabner,Horton, or Garrison. Grabner did absolutely NOTHING during training camp and Tallon felt that he should be placed in the minors and earn his due. Grabner himself even said he would've done the same thing, so Tallon came in here and said "players will earn their spots" and actually held true to his word. Tallon didn't expect Grabner to be claimed off of waivers, but you know what, it was Grabners' spot to lose and he did. Horton wanted out! Tallon went to every player on the team and spoke to them and gave them a choice to stay or go and Horton said he would rather be traded then stay, so again Tallon did the right thing. Garrison wanted to go to Vancouver. Tallon was going to pay him nicely,but not 5mil nice and again, he wanted to go home. Not for nothing but Garrison played the same as Kuba did here this past season,so we aren't out of a loss.
How did Tallon make mistakes in his drafting? It's been said that is usually takes 3-5 years for Dmen to blossom into their true form, so I for one, am giving Guds and Kulikov the proper time to develop. I am not going to compare Guds with Fowler because I haven't see Fowler play too much,so I don't know his stats.. but I do know that Fowler is more of an offensive Dman and Guds is not. I personally think Howden, Bjugstad, and Shore need more time in the minors to develop more and find some confidence and chemistry,but I am certainly not calling them a bust nor does a 15 games stint give a basis for a players entire career. Markstrom is not far off from the starting job either. He certainly seemed shakey,but again, so did the entire team. Petrovic also looked good out there.
My take on this past season is that it was a extended training camp at best. The most man-games lost in the entire league, no real consistancy because of those injuries and a half season due to the lockout.
You call our players basically 3-4th liners and that Hubby, and Steeg and Flash have no players to play around them yet those players managed to win a lot of hockey games and win the Panthers their first ever S.E. division title last season. Do we need real, 1st line players and possible 1 to 2 superstars, hell yeah.. but that doesn't mean we don't have talent nor does it mean this current team, management included,will repeat our poor history. Huberdeau will be a stud. Mackinnon WON"T be a bust! Flash-Weiss-Steeg may not be all-star players, but they held the "best 1st line" title last season for a half season. If it were not for injury,who knows how long they could've lasted. Kopecky lead the team in scoring this past season. I think a line of Bergy-Goc/Matthias-Kopecky can create a lot of chances, score a lot of goals, and create tons of energy.

I have more trust in Tallon and this current management (minus Yormark and our training staff) then any other management before them. Say what you want about Tallon and his drafting,but he built Chicagos' team now and they look amazing. Many sources outside of the Panthers,including their fans, feel the Panthers statisically have the best prospect pool in the league. We finally have a good coaching tandom and I think we FINALLY have some good character players who have skill and a drive to succeed.

How about we don't and just leave it in the hands of neutral experts:

www.hockeysfuture.com

Until you start employing all of their scouts, experience, and materials and above all else neutrality I think I'll leave it in the hands of the experts, who have now promoted the Panthers to the #1 prospect pool in the NHL (they were #2 last season).

But please, by all means, being the enormous and self-proclaimed better than most schooled Panther fan, keep claiming Bjugstad will suck, but before I go....will it make you feel better if the Panthers trade Bjugstad now (seeing as he's "nothing special") and watch him blossom on another team? That seems to be what you'd prefer, and thats sure as sh__t what Keenan and Martin would have done, hmmm....
- clarkey

yes trading Bjugstad for a PROVEN top line center would be ideal. It won't happen tho... we'll watch his career play out and I'll be proven right once again. He's slow and is surrounded by 3rd/4th line talent. Howden too. My assessment on him is 100% correct. Fast as hell, no finishing ability. Skille 2.0 ull see how right I am when you get more time to watch him play. Out of all the Panther posters, you my friend are the most clueless. Take the blinders off kid.

also want a great example of a team that always wins and you never see them #! in prospect pool::::::



DETROIT RED WINGS (Best organization in the NHL), about to go up 2-1 on the Hawks, a month ago they almost missed the playoffs. Just shows how great teams win at the most important times.

model your organization just like they do. On PAPER the Panthers look great with all these young guns who have POTENTIAL but haven't PROVED anything yet. It's a really stupid rating since Huberduea isn't apart of that list anymore and is clearly the best player we have. He's no longer a prospect.

FLORIDA PANTHERS (Worst organization in the NHL) Haven't won a playoff series since 1996, we are currently in year 2013.

for a league that has 8 teams make the playoffs out of each conference, this is hard to swallow. They hold the record for consecutive years not reaching the playoffs, how do you finish out of the top 8 for that long? It's almost impossible..... not for the Panthers it isn't.

yes trading Bjugstad for a PROVEN top line center would be ideal. It won't happen tho... we'll watch his career play out and I'll be proven right once again. He's slow and is surrounded by 3rd/4th line talent. Howden too. My assessment on him is 100% correct. Fast as hell, no finishing ability. Skille 2.0 ull see how right I am when you get more time to watch him play. Out of all the Panther posters, you my friend are the most clueless. Take the blinders off kid.
- BallardHitsHard22

I still don't understand why you come on here of all you want to do is insult other panthers fans. You wouldn't be hated so much if you would just talk hockey instead of just pooping on the team and it's fans. Sorry we love our team and we aren't bandwagoners who flip flop more then mitt Romney.

also want a great example of a team that always wins and you never see them #! in prospect pool::::::



DETROIT RED WINGS (Best organization in the NHL), about to go up 2-1 on the Hawks, a month ago they almost missed the playoffs. Just shows how great teams win at the most important times.

model your organization just like they do. On PAPER the Panthers look great with all these young guns who have POTENTIAL but haven't PROVED anything yet. It's a really stupid rating since Huberduea isn't apart of that list anymore and is clearly the best player we have. He's no longer a prospect.

FLORIDA PANTHERS (Worst organization in the NHL) Haven't won a playoff series since 1996, we are currently in year 2013.

for a league that has 8 teams make the playoffs out of each conference, this is hard to swallow. They hold the record for consecutive years not reaching the playoffs, how do you finish out of the top 8 for that long? It's almost impossible..... not for the Panthers it isn't.
- BallardHitsHard22

Then go be a Red Wing fan!!!!! You say the Panthers look great with all the young guns who have POTENTIAL but haven't PROVEN anything yet, ummmm You do realize that this past year was the FIRST year these young guns had time to prove anything right? What exactly did you expect them to do, score 40 goals each in a shortened season with three of our top 6 out of the lineup? You expect those young guns to go against the likes of Crosby,Malkin,Ovy, Kane, and Toews and skate circles around them???????
Seriously, Tallon is a lot more proven than any other GM we've had here. Viner is a better owner than Cohen was, who actually wants to have a winning product on the ice. We have a new team, still young and no stuperstars,but a new team non-the-less and a new coaching staff. We could use an upgrade on our training staff and some tweaking to our roster,but why can't you give them time to develop? Tallon rebuilt this team 2 years ago, what did you expect to happen? A Cup run right away? You've got no confidence in anyone and it's a shame.
So, like I've said before, why waste your time on these boards if you're just going to bash the team?

So, like I've said before, why waste your time on these boards if you're just going to bash the team?
- pantherfan12

I don't know how anyone can call themselves a fan of a team but hate everything about the team. I love this team and im going to support them if they are bad or good. why would I give up on this team when things are starting to turn around. And I truly believe of you can't support the team though the bad years why be a fan of the team at all?!?

Another playoff goal for Horton!! It's too bad the Panthers couldn't even reach the show once while he was here. It's too bad Tallin traded him. I'd do it over if time could be reversed.

Another playoff goal for Horton!! It's too bad the Panthers couldn't even reach the show once while he was here. It's too bad Tallin traded him. I'd do it over if time could be reversed.
- BallardHitsHard22

That's cause Horton is not that good and couldn't help the Panthers reach the playoffs. Tallon traded him because Horton wanted out. What GM in their right mind would keep a player who wanted to leave? If time could be reversed, I'd draft Eric Staal! Horton is nothing special and the Bruins would've won the Cup with or without Horton. Eric Staal is a real top line guy,who should've been drafted top 3. Horton is not!

I don't know how anyone can call themselves a fan of a team but hate everything about the team. I love this team and im going to support them if they are bad or good. why would I give up on this team when things are starting to turn around. And I truly believe of you can't support the team though the bad years why be a fan of the team at all?!?
- Crazycaboose

I agree! He must be like a 13 year old kid who's bored because his mom took away his DSi. No adult could comprehend going to a sports website only to sit and post things about teams you don't like, just for the sake of being a pest. It's a waste of time.

I agree! He must be like a 13 year old kid who's bored because his mom took away his DSi. No adult could comprehend going to a sports website only to sit and post things about teams you don't like, just for the sake of being a pest. It's a waste of time.
- pantherfan12

Is it really that hard to just talk hockey and not be a Richard about everything! I have disagreed with other cat fans, but we actually have a discussion.

Another playoff goal for Horton!! It's too bad the Panthers couldn't even reach the show once while he was here. It's too bad Tallin traded him. I'd do it over if time could be reversed.
- BallardHitsHard22

The bigger surprise to me is Greg Campbell. He has been a scoring machine of late, and is one of the best depth line guys in the game.

Weiss will be traded for a 5th probably.