is what i was thinking at the dealine too, but in the long run, if you're rebuilding commit to it, and that includes keeping as many of your picks as possible, and not being forver in limbo like the Flames or leafs

its only the first year of this 'rebuild' and a half season at that, it was a smarter move in the end on MB's part to let this team play as is (relatively) and see what needs to be done
- Habitants98

yup.

The thing is, you say Price is the Habs' best player, and I don't see that. He's consistently inconsistent.

I understand your point for Diaz, but why don't you want Gorges on the PK? It's his place as much as the PP is MAB's. But he was tired at the end of the season.

And Molson Cup voting, seriously?
- _nay_

I'm probably not explaining myself properly. I was only trying to point out that the best d-man on the team is not killing penalties, and that has a lot to do with the poor penalty killing and inflated negative statistics on CP. I have no problem with Gorges, only that he shouldn't be paired with Diaz.

And I was only pointing out the Molson Cup thing, I don't really believe it has any merit, (case in point he won it again this year, when Subban was clearly the Best Hab all year round).

NMC
- Habitants98

If by NMC you mean Limited No-trade clause, then I agree.

I'd add Tinordi to that list. Will likely never develop into a top-pairing guy but if the idea is to make the team bigger and tougher to play against.
- kev1586

Ah, yeah, forgot he was now on the roster.

I'll never understand why I consistently see Plekanek's name in trade conversations on here.

Never complains about his role, consistently gives 100%. One of the best two way defensive forwards in the game IMO.
- SUPERDOMINO

yep...but disappears in the playoffs. I don't mind him, but at the salary he commands, he's supposed to be one of the Habs offensive leaders. That's just not happening.

I'm probably not explaining myself properly. I was only trying to point out that the best d-man on the team is not killing penalties, and that has a lot to do with the poor penalty killing and inflated negative statistics on CP. I have no problem with Gorges, only that he shouldn't be paired with Diaz.

And I was only pointing out the Molson Cup thing, I don't really believe it has any merit, (case in point he won it again this year, when Subban was clearly the Best Hab all year round).
- habs_mike_27

Yes, the PK has sucked big time this year, and this cannot all go on Price's shoulder.

Not saying Price sucks, just that he has not really improved in the last couple of years, and it's kinda worrying.

I'll never understand why I consistently see Plekanek's name in trade conversations on here.

Never complains about his role, consistently gives 100%. One of the best two way defensive forwards in the game IMO.
- SUPERDOMINO

What if Eller gives Therrien another full season of playing the way he did this year? I'm not saying it'll happen, but if it does, then you'd essentially have Galchenyuk-Eller-Plekanec as centers. Plekanec playing on 3C, after years as 1C. He'd complain and ask to be traded. I think trading him this summer is not a wise move, but given Eller's progression this season, it's not as unthinkable as it once was, imo.

yep...but disappears in the playoffs. I don't mind him, but at the salary he commands, he's supposed to be one of the Habs offensive leaders. That's just not happening.
- stinger67

But... HE'S NOT PAID TO SCORE GOALS!

I'll never understand why I consistently see Plekanek's name in trade conversations on here.

Never complains about his role, consistently gives 100%. One of the best two way defensive forwards in the game IMO.
- SUPERDOMINO

We never stop saying the habs need to get bigger/stronger at center position.
Desharnais as of right now is worth close to nothing and just signed an extension.

I could see a team cough a big prospect winger in return of Plekanec's two-way play.

It's not about not liking Plekanec at all. I like him. It's that if all you want to trade is crappy players, all you'll get in return is crappy players.

yep...but disappears in the playoffs. I don't mind him, but at the salary he commands, he's supposed to be one of the Habs offensive leaders. That's just not happening.
- stinger67

Maybe because he is asked to play a more defensive role. Pretty much a go to guy for every penalty kill.

yep...but disappears in the playoffs. I don't mind him, but at the salary he commands, he's supposed to be one of the Habs offensive leaders. That's just not happening.
- stinger67

Not to mention the fact that he's likely the trade chip that gets Bergevin the most in return. We have a log jam at center, and for once it's actually with players that have size and promise. Like I said, I don't think you move him yet, but it's no longer an impossible conversation.

Maybe because he is asked to play a more defensive role. Pretty much a go to guy for every penalty kill.
- SUPERDOMINO

And that's why he's exhausted after 50 games.

We never stop saying the habs need to get bigger/stronger at center position.
Desharnais as of right now is worth close to nothing and just signed an extension.

I could see a team cough a big prospect winger in return of Plekanec's two-way play.

It's not about not liking Plekanec at all. I like him. It's that if all you want to trade is crappy players, all you'll get in return is crappy players.
- Pecafan Fan

OUAIS OUAIS LA MON RON... ENVOIES MOEN LA PIS TU DONNES EUH CH'CHAIS PAS LA.. TU DONNES KABERLE LA PIS... WASHINGTON Y ON B'SOIN D'UN DEFENSEUR PIS TU VAS CHERCHER OVECHKIQIINE LA...

We never stop saying the habs need to get bigger/stronger at center position.
Desharnais as of right now is worth close to nothing and just signed an extension.

I could see a team cough a big prospect winger in return of Plekanec's two-way play.

It's not about not liking Plekanec at all. I like him. It's that if all you want to trade is crappy players, all you'll get in return is crappy players.
- Pecafan Fan

Well said.

Plekanec to Chicago would make a lot of sense.

I'd add Tinordi to that list. Will likely never develop into a top-pairing guy but if the idea is to make the team bigger and tougher to play against.
- kev1586

but first you should check and see how long it took Chara to develop before puling that trigger in his 2nd year.......jus saying

But... HE'S NOT PAID TO SCORE GOALS!
- _nay_

Yeah, can't stand that (frank)ing argument anymore. 3rd or 4th line plugs can do the same job. Your top 6 should be consisted of offensive players.

but first you should check and see how long it took Chara to develop before puling that trigger in his 2nd year.......jus saying
- Habitants98

huh? I like Tinordi. ALOT! Just trying to manage expectations.

If he turns into a solid 3-4 guy that kills penalties and can play with a physical edge. I won't ever complain.

One thing is for sure, some bodies will be moved unless they expect different results from the same group next season...
- Pecafan Fan

Because of the injuries, I expect very changes

If by NMC you mean Limited No-trade clause, then I agree.
- Pecafan Fan

after Subban in terms of players who eat up minutes (and unlike Markov are reliable(ish) on D) we have no one to replace Gorges, so the trade would have to be for equal value (pointless) or they'd have to have signed someone first

There's only a handful of contracts on the Habs that are even eligible. Price, Pleks, Kaberle, Pacioretty, Gorges, Gionta, Bourque, DD, Markov.

If it's not Kaberle, then who? Everyone else has trade value.
- 3M

hmm didnt realize that. Kaberle it is. i don't think DD has trade value but i don't think they can buy him out BEFORE his contract even kicks in.

but first you should check and see how long it took Chara to develop before puling that trigger in his 2nd year.......jus saying
- Habitants98

Not saying we have to keep expectations low, but if he can consistently play like that year Komisarek was voted to the All-Star game, it won't be a wasted 1st rounder.

OUAIS OUAIS LA MON RON... ENVOIES MOEN LA PIS TU DONNES EUH CH'CHAIS PAS LA.. TU DONNES KABERLE LA PIS... WASHINGTON Y ON B'SOIN D'UN DEFENSEUR PIS TU VAS CHERCHER OVECHKIQIINE LA...
- dt99999

Thanks Tony

after Subban in terms of players who eat up minutes (and unlike Markov are reliable(ish) on D) we have no one to replace Gorges, so the trade would have to be for equal value (pointless) or they'd have to have signed someone first
- Habitants98

Gorges was exhausted in the playoffs, imagine after a 82-games season.

huh? I like Tinordi. ALOT! Just trying to manage expectations.

If he turns into a solid 3-4 guy that kills penalties and can play with a physical edge. I won't ever complain.
- kev1586

true i mean i dont expect him to turn into Chara, but then nobody expected him to be this monster either and i'd at least give Tinordi the time to fill out his body frame