turnd it off at 5-1 to go smoke one, did the fans really boo them off the ice when the game was over?
- hamiltonhabfan

no..they cheered them with ole ole ole or neener neener neener - something like that

Oh
- Not_Yan

don't worry MB's gonna hire some real goons and some real Defensive support

Both are top 5 technically, but weak between ears.

And Fleury is only two years older. If Price continues at this pace, will you say he sucks in two years?
- _nay_

can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying this. if you mean talent, i agree. technically? i don't see much of Fleury, but i mentioned yesterday that Price's technique is a trainwreck. he goes down on every single shot. and how often is he beaten on bad angle shots? that's not mental. that's not closing off the angles. i agree that he's as talented as any goalie in the league but his technique and his craft are not very good right now.

it's been 6 (frank)ing years.
- scotch_tape

Agreed. After 6 years, what you see is what you get.

even then, Fleury has at least that win in game 7 of the finals against the wings, that save is still valid for maybe another 2 seasons

Price well........
- Habitants98

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

What I don't understand about Price bashers (Im not implying you are one) is that we ALL know how soft our defence is. Let's be honest, I mean how many turnovers/defensive breakdowns/pinch gone wrong from our defence happened in this series? Tons. We cannot give a realistic evaluation of Carey Price until he has a respectable top 4 Defence corps in front of him. Expecting Diaz and Gorges to protect your goalie is ridiculous. Case in point the injury in Tuesday night's game, no solid bodies to protect your goalie. The success in the regular season was based on the fact that all of the Habs forwards were playing team defence (exactly the same style as the Sens, except they did it better and when it mattered most).

I have a real hard time believing that Carey Price is done or not good or can't perform in big moments blah blah. The guy is a winner, has been a winner all his life, the hockey world raves about him all the time despite the rough times he has had. If you switched Price for Fleury tomorrow, the Penguins would win cups like it was going out of style. IMO.

Standing ovation in the last minute and after.
- Symba.007

Those were the Sens fans that didn't want to leave yet.

Agreed. After 6 years, what you see is what you get.
- 3M

i don't know if i would go that far, but we're definitely at the point where it's starting to become less and less likely that he will be the goalie everyone thought he'd be. i mean, he's not even close to being ready to put a team on his back the way Anderson in this series, and he's entering his prime years.

can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying this. if you mean talent, i agree. technically? i don't see much of Fleury, but i mentioned yesterday that Price's technique is a trainwreck. he goes down on every single shot. and how often is he beaten on bad angle shots? that's not mental. that's not closing off the angles. i agree that he's as talented as any goalie in the league but his technique and his craft are not very good right now.
- scotch_tape

Wouldn't that just imply you need to sign a good goalie coach?

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

What I don't understand about Price bashers (Im not implying you are one) is that we ALL know how soft our defence is. Let's be honest, I mean how many turnovers/defensive breakdowns/pinch gone wrong from our defence happened in this series? Tons. We cannot give a realistic evaluation of Carey Price until he has a respectable top 4 Defence corps in front of him. Expecting Diaz and Gorges to protect your goalie is ridiculous. Case in point the injury in Tuesday night's game, no solid bodies to protect your goalie. The success in the regular season was based on the fact that all of the Habs forwards were playing team defence (exactly the same style as the Sens, except they did it better and when it mattered most).

I have a real hard time believing that Carey Price is done or not good or can't perform in big moments blah blah. The guy is a winner, has been a winner all his life, the hockey world raves about him all the time despite the rough times he has had. If you switched Price for Fleury tomorrow, the Penguins would win cups like it was going out of style. IMO.
- habs_mike_27

Asp will agree with everything here

can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying this. if you mean talent, i agree. technically? i don't see much of Fleury, but i mentioned yesterday that Price's technique is a trainwreck. he goes down on every single shot. and how often is he beaten on bad angle shots? that's not mental. that's not closing off the angles. i agree that he's as talented as any goalie in the league but his technique and his craft are not very good right now.
- scotch_tape

I always found that Price has zero sense of urgency after the puck hits him. It's almost like he thinks he's done his job where are the D??? IMO

can't for the life of me understand why people keep saying this. if you mean talent, i agree. technically? i don't see much of Fleury, but i mentioned yesterday that Price's technique is a trainwreck. he goes down on every single shot. and how often is he beaten on bad angle shots? that's not mental. that's not closing off the angles. i agree that he's as talented as any goalie in the league but his technique and his craft are not very good right now.
- scotch_tape

Coaching. That's what it comes down to. You need the goalie coach to give Carey the knowledge/video whatever it takes to get him to the next level. Its done with Forwards, Defencemen and it must be done with Goalies too.

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

What I don't understand about Price bashers (Im not implying you are one) is that we ALL know how soft our defence is. Let's be honest, I mean how many turnovers/defensive breakdowns/pinch gone wrong from our defence happened in this series? Tons. We cannot give a realistic evaluation of Carey Price until he has a respectable top 4 Defence corps in front of him. Expecting Diaz and Gorges to protect your goalie is ridiculous. Case in point the injury in Tuesday night's game, no solid bodies to protect your goalie. The success in the regular season was based on the fact that all of the Habs forwards were playing team defence (exactly the same style as the Sens, except they did it better and when it mattered most).

I have a real hard time believing that Carey Price is done or not good or can't perform in big moments blah blah. The guy is a winner, has been a winner all his life, the hockey world raves about him all the time despite the rough times he has had. If you switched Price for Fleury tomorrow, the Penguins would win cups like it was going out of style. IMO.
- habs_mike_27

Who's to blame for soft wristers that go clean by his glove? The D?

You could put Robinson, Savard and Lapointe in front of Price, and it wouldn't make a difference.

Wouldn't that just imply you need to sign a good goalie coach?
- TommyDeVito

Maybe. Sean Burke does miracles in Phoenix. Can we offer sheet goalie coaches?

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

What I don't understand about Price bashers (Im not implying you are one) is that we ALL know how soft our defence is. Let's be honest, I mean how many turnovers/defensive breakdowns/pinch gone wrong from our defence happened in this series? Tons. We cannot give a realistic evaluation of Carey Price until he has a respectable top 4 Defence corps in front of him. Expecting Diaz and Gorges to protect your goalie is ridiculous. Case in point the injury in Tuesday night's game, no solid bodies to protect your goalie. The success in the regular season was based on the fact that all of the Habs forwards were playing team defence (exactly the same style as the Sens, except they did it better and when it mattered most).

I have a real hard time believing that Carey Price is done or not good or can't perform in big moments blah blah. The guy is a weiner, has been a weiner all his life, the hockey world raves about him all the time despite the rough times he has had. If you switched Price for Fleury tomorrow, the Penguins would win cups like it was going out of style. IMO.
- habs_mike_27

I always found that Price has zero sense of urgency after the puck hits him. It's almost like he thinks he's done his job where are the D??? IMO
- Garnie

I disagree with this but I agree that his nonchalant appearance does little to endear him to his detractors.

Coaching. That's what it comes down to. You need the goalie coach to give Carey the knowledge/video whatever it takes to get him to the next level. Its done with Forwards, Defencemen and it must be done with Goalies too.
- habs_mike_27

Um, I'm pretty sure this is all taken care of.

Asp will agree with everything here
- Not_Yan

Tabarnak...

i don't know if i would go that far, but we're definitely at the point where it's starting to become less and less likely that he will be the goalie everyone thought he'd be. i mean, he's not even close to being ready to put a team on his back the way Anderson in this series, and he's entering his prime years.
- scotch_tape

Then we need to have a team in front of him.

Gone are the days where the Habs are a team with a superstar goalie that can pull miracles.

About time..

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

- habs_mike_27

you're right i'm not a price Basher necessarily i'm just dissapointed he hasnt yet reached the level we all hoped by now, as for Fleury i agree he had alot of support to get him there but thats why i only pointed to that Cup saving save as his career highlight in game 7, Price definetly has nothing of the sort, if we're comparing

- Garnie

He beat crims in bowling.[/img]

I disagree with this but I agree that his nonchalant appearance does little to endear him to his detractors.
- dt99999

Maybe his calmness when the puck is lying beside him and he's not really scrambling for it has really thrown me off I guess.

Fleury also had Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hal Gill and a host of others to help him out.

What I don't understand about Price bashers (Im not implying you are one) is that we ALL know how soft our defence is. Let's be honest, I mean how many turnovers/defensive breakdowns/pinch gone wrong from our defence happened in this series? Tons. We cannot give a realistic evaluation of Carey Price until he has a respectable top 4 Defence corps in front of him. Expecting Diaz and Gorges to protect your goalie is ridiculous. Case in point the injury in Tuesday night's game, no solid bodies to protect your goalie. The success in the regular season was based on the fact that all of the Habs forwards were playing team defence (exactly the same style as the Sens, except they did it better and when it mattered most).

I have a real hard time believing that Carey Price is done or not good or can't perform in big moments blah blah. The guy is a winner, has been a winner all his life, the hockey world raves about him all the time despite the rough times he has had. If you switched Price for Fleury tomorrow, the Penguins would win cups like it was going out of style. IMO.
- habs_mike_27

EVERY NHLer is a winner before they get to the NHL.
now what you're saying about Price may be true. yeah, every goalie needs a decent top 4, protection, etc. and it's hard to blame him for what happened in game 4. Zibanajad's goal should never have counted, and maybe this series takes a different turn. but what i look back on is game 1. up 2-1 in the third, and Price serves up the tying goal on a silver platter, and then gives up 2 more questionable goals. like i said, i agree with your point on defence. but at a certain point, the goalie needs to do it alone and he needs to stop the puck. and Price isn't there.

Who's to blame for soft wristers that go clean by his glove? The D?

You could put Robinson, Savard and Lapointe in front of Price, and it wouldn't make a difference.
- 3M

Unstoppable shots by the best players IN THE WORLD!

EVERY NHLer is a winner before they get to the NHL.
now what you're saying about Price may be true. yeah, every goalie needs a decent top 4, protection, etc. and it's hard to blame him for what happened in game 4. Zibanajad's goal should never have counted, and maybe this series takes a different turn. but what i look back on is game 1. up 2-1 in the third, and Price serves up the tying goal on a silver platter, and then gives up 2 more questionable goals. like i said, i agree with your point on defence. but at a certain point, the goalie needs to do it alone and he needs to stop the puck. and Price isn't there.
- scotch_tape

Then we need to have a team in front of him.

Gone are the days where the Habs are a team with a superstar goalie that can pull miracles.

About time..
- WaterBoy

ok fair enough but generally, goalies who have $40 million contracts are held to a higher standard than "only as good as the team in front of them".