We don't know either way , but I would prefer that Phaneuf be a normal guy on the team, rather than be elevated before he should be. He's a good guy to have but he isn't as good as he is being made out to be based on his role and ice time.
- aminnes

Nor is he as bad as most of the haters would like us to believe.

Would be quite happy if they extend him for $5M per, and then find somebody better than him to play with him...and then win the cup.

Exactly, I like to see the Leafs take a run at D. Murray in the off season.

Clarkson is going to get a hell of a paycheck too.
- LeafMan

Ya I like Murray too.

Nor is he as bad as most of the haters would like us to believe.

Would be quite happy if they extend him for $5M per, and then find somebody better than him to play with him...and then win the cup.
- Big_Lightnin

For sure. He has value, but it's clear they need a top guy. agree.

You're an odd fellow.
- LeafMan

I want to be the heir to the Reimer fortune.

Exactly, I like to see the Leafs take a run at D. Murray in the off season.

Clarkson is going to get a hell of a paycheck too.
- LeafMan

Can't see NJ not resigning him, they don't have a choice, he will get his 5M+/yr which is WAY too much for him

Back in those days the teams owned the kids from minor hockey days, but each team had a candian junior affiliate. Orr was automatically the LEafs property but when he was 13 the LEafs allowed the Bruins to obtain his rights. Oh yes, the stupidity of LEafs management is huge!
- aminnes

a common misconception

there was no such thing as regional player rights ever.

montreal and toronto used their wealth to establish minor league teams and obtained players by signing them to exclusive deals.

it was simply first come first serve. its just that montreal and toronto were usually the ones who got there first.

there was never ever regional rights given to any NHL team ever in the history of the league.

EDIT: another thing to note: amateur signings ended in 1963 with the indroduction of the draft.

Hawks are 29-0-4 in 2013 when Patrick Sharp is in the line up. On to round two!

Can't see NJ not resigning him, they don't have a choice, he will get his 5M+/yr which is WAY too much for him
- Symba.007

Gionta

Gionta
- blarneylad

and everyone knows that midget is overpaid

Can't see NJ not resigning him, they don't have a choice, he will get his 5M+/yr which is WAY too much for him
- Symba.007

Probably unless he wants to leave, we will find out soon as Lou doesn't like to discuss or extend contracts until after the season.

Hawks are 29-0-4 in 2013 when Patrick Sharp is in the line up. On to round two!
- faceto27

Probably unless he wants to leave, we will find out soon as Lou doesn't like to discuss or extend contracts until after the season.
- LeafMan

Habs need to get bigger they would overpay. Let me ask you though, does Toronto benefit from having Orr in the lineup in the playoffs?

Haven't watched any of the games from this series.

a common misconception

there was no such thing as regional player rights ever.

montreal and toronto used their wealth to establish minor league teams and obtained players by signing them to exclusive deals.

it was simply first come first serve. its just that montreal and toronto were usually the ones who got there first.

there was never ever regional rights given to any NHL team ever in the history of the league.
- Dozzer

Ya thats true, but man they missed this one. The Bruins were kissing his bum for 5 years even formed the Generals around him. Surprising no one else was trying to woo him.

Ya thats true, but man they missed this one. The Bruins were kissing his bum for 5 years even formed the Generals around him. Surprising no one else was trying to woo him.
- aminnes

been reading up on him as we speak.

the bruins sponsored his team back in the early 60s.. toronto, detroit and ny all wanted to sign him as well. but he chose the bruins because he wanted to be part of what they were building there.

the leafs never missed orr. orr simply didnt choose them

Habs need to get bigger they would overpay. Let me ask you though, does Toronto benefit from having Orr in the lineup in the playoffs?

Haven't watched any of the games from this series.
- blarneylad

Considering there is very little fighting? I would rather have speed in the lineup and someone with a little offensive talent that is willing to forecheck, it's how you beat the Bruins.

Considering there is very little fighting? I would rather have speed in the lineup and someone with a little offensive talent that is willing to forecheck, it's how you beat the Bruins.
- LeafMan

I would agree, the Bruins D isn't that fast, speed in their weakness.

been reading up on him as we speak.

the bruins sponsored his team back in the early 60s.. toronto, detroit and ny all wanted to sign him as well. but he chose the bruins because he wanted to be part of what they were building there.

the leafs never missed orr. orr simply didnt choose them
- Dozzer

Oh, I didn't see that. On Wiki it says his parents had a falling out with the Bruins but they managed to bring them back.

Habs need to get bigger they would overpay. Let me ask you though, does Toronto benefit from having Orr in the lineup in the playoffs?

Haven't watched any of the games from this series.
- blarneylad

yes. last year when the leafs had no brawn in their lineup opposition teams would take liberties with the leafs skill forwards because frankly, there was no one on the leafs bench to keep them honest.

orr isnt there to score points. he isnt there to agitate either... he is there to keep the opposition in check

i am sure carlyle would give orr the go ahead on taking the instigator if he felt boston was being too rough with the skill guys.

yes. last year when the leafs had no brawn in their lineup opposition teams would take liberties with the leafs skill forwards because frankly, there was no one on the leafs bench to keep them honest.

orr isnt there to score points. he isnt there to agitate either... he is there to keep the opposition in check

i am sure carlyle would give orr the go ahead on taking the instigator if he felt boston was being too rough with the skill guys.
- Dozzer

bingo

(frank)

Oh, I didn't see that. On Wiki it says his parents had a falling out with the Bruins but they managed to bring them back.
- aminnes

Orr was first noticed by the Boston Bruins in the spring of 1961, playing in a youth hockey tournament in Gananoque, Ontario.[12] The Bruins' Wren Blair described him as "a combination of Doug Harvey and Eddie Shore."[13] The Bruins immediately pursued Orr. Blair made regular visits to the family home.[14] In the fall of 1961, the Bruins invested C$1,000 (C$7,631 in 2013 dollars[15]) to sponsor his minor hockey team.[3] Although three other NHL teams (Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Canadiens) were interested in Orr, he signed in 1962 with the Bruins.[16] Orr explained that he signed with the Bruins because "they're a team of the future. They're rebuilding and I want to be part of that building program."[13]

so it was montreal and not NY, sorry.

Considering there is very little fighting? I would rather have speed in the lineup and someone with a little offensive talent that is willing to forecheck, it's how you beat the Bruins.
- LeafMan

I don't think the Leafs need more speed to beat the Bruins, they have shown the last 3 games that their speed/skill are more than enough to win games against the Bruins, and they have a good mix of toughness to not be intimidated too.

Where they need improvements is cutting down mistakes. However this will only happen as the team becomes more experienced and learns to be a little more patient.

a common misconception

there was no such thing as regional player rights ever.

montreal and toronto used their wealth to establish minor league teams and obtained players by signing them to exclusive deals.

it was simply first come first serve. its just that montreal and toronto were usually the ones who got there first.

there was never ever regional rights given to any NHL team ever in the history of the league.

EDIT: another thing to note: amateur signings ended in 1963 with the indroduction of the draft.
- Dozzer

Bobby Orr signed in 1962 with the Bruins.

Orr explained that he signed with the Bruins because "they're a team of the future. They're rebuilding and I want to be part of that building program."

Orr was first noticed by the Boston Bruins in the spring of 1961, playing in a youth hockey tournament in Gananoque, Ontario.
- Dozzer[12] The Bruins' Wren Blair described him as "a combination of Doug Harvey and Eddie Shore."[13] The Bruins immediately pursued Orr. Blair made regular visits to the family home.[14] In the fall of 1961, the Bruins invested C$1,000 (C$7,631 in 2013 dollars[15]) to sponsor his minor hockey team.[3] Although three other NHL teams (Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Canadiens) were interested in Orr, he signed in 1962 with the Bruins.[16] Orr explained that he signed with the Bruins because "they're a team of the future. They're rebuilding and I want to be part of that building program."[13]

so it was montreal and not NY, sorry.

Ya, further down it detailed the whole thing with his mom and stuff. Ya, I'm kinda surprised at his reason, the LEafs were a great team at the time, and did have some good younger players of which all got traded in 67 but...

I don't think the Leafs need more speed to beat the Bruins, they have shown the last 3 games that their speed/skill are more than enough to win games against the Bruins, and they have a good mix of toughness to not be intimidated too.

Where they need improvements is cutting down mistakes. However this will only happen as the team becomes more experienced and learns to be a little more patient.
- vermie22

Even in game one the LEafs had just as big if not bigger chances than Boston, last game same thing. The Leafs haven't been as opportunistic where Boston is burrying their chances. Pretty even series otherwise.