"5 years ago we came in here and reset the organization. It's time to do it again."
- hankthetank

did he really say that????? Wow. What exactly does he think he did to "reset the organization"?

Top players when Gillis became GM. DSedin, HSedin, Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Luongo. Top players now? DSedin, HSedin, Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Luongo/Schneider. And, by the way, Schneider was already in the organization. He's tinkered with peripheral parts. That's all.

He was pretty temperate.
- Mattjd123

Yup, just the standard stuff that he'd like to be a starter whether it's here or somewhere else and that he and Cory have a great relationship.

did he really say that????? Wow. What exactly does he think he did to "reset the organization"?

Top players when Gillis became GM. DSedin, HSedin, Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Luongo. Top players now? DSedin, HSedin, Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Luongo/Schneider. And, by the way, Schneider was already in the organization. He's tinkered with peripheral parts. That's all.
- Dirte

When he said "reset the organization", he wasn't just referring to players.

Culture and playing style was mainly what he was referring to.

MG was the beginning of the up-tempo style the Canucks have followed in recent years, and now he means he needs to "reset" that style by evaluating the league and determining what kind of style will give them the most success.

Tangible versus Intangible "reset", my friend.

Apparently Bieksa's interview today was quite interesting. Hinted that changes need to be made(coaching staff?). Also hinted that the leadership in the locker room comes mainly from the players. Sounds like AV was a total player's coach, which is why I think this team needs a hardass type of guy to take over now. Teams seems to respond much better when the new boss is a completely different personality.
- Nucker101

He was an absentee coach (no communication or leadership whatsoever - just implemented system & set/juggled lines). Not a players coach. Big difference. Ask Linden/Manny/Morrison/M Schneider/Hodgson/Lukowich/SOB/Naslund/Ballard etc etc etc if he was a players coach.

Players coaches don't make that many enemies. They put guys in a position to succeed, and if they don't fit, they teach them why they didn't and go their separate ways with no hard feelings. Guys on this team were never told why they weren't being used or what they were doing wrong.

My first concern would be if you're going to try a different voice, fine...but are the current options better or equal choices?

Who would you go after?
- Mattjd123

Yes, there are PLENTY of better options out there. That doesn't mean I can name them from my mancave. Anybody who understands the importance of communication, chemistry, continuity, comfort to use instincts VS thinking too hard, doesn't sit on & cling to 1 goal leads, doesn't play mind games, knows how to use the talent he's given to its highest potential... The list goes on.

AV got far too much credit for the success of this team as the core hit its prime as one of the deepest rosters in this league.

When he said "reset the organization", he wasn't just referring to players.

Culture and playing style was mainly what he was referring to.

MG was the beginning of the up-tempo style the Canucks have followed in recent years, and now he means he needs to "reset" that style by evaluating the league and determining what kind of style will give them the most success.

Tangible versus Intangible "reset", my friend.
- Mattjd123

If they continue to try to play a dump and chase style with this roster then you can expect the same results. You're not going to beat teams like the Blues and Kings at their own game when they have players much better suited for that system.

He was an absentee coach (no communication or leadership whatsoever - just implemented system & set/juggled lines). Not a players coach. Big difference. Ask Linden/Manny/Morrison/M Schneider/Hodgson/Lukowich/SOB/Naslund/Ballard etc etc etc if he was a players coach.

Players coaches don't make that many enemies. They put guys in a position to succeed, and if they don't fit, they teach them why they didn't and go their separate ways with no hard feelings. guys on this team were never told why they weren't being used or what they were doing wrong.
- DrChristianTroy

Good point. Not sure WTF AV's style really was then. He wasn't exactly a hard ass coach that showed emotion during games either.

Yes, there are PLENTY of better options out there. That doesn't mean I can name them from my mancave. Anybody who understands the importance of communication, chemistry, continuity, comfort to use instincts VS thinking too hard, doesn't sit on & cling to 1 goal leads, doesn't play mind games, knows how to use the talent he's given to its highest potential... The list goes on.

AV got far too much credit for the success of this team as the core hit its prime as one of the deepest rosters in this league.
- DrChristianTroy

As the old adage goes

"The Coach provides the defense, the GM provides the offense"

Ugh I have no idea what's going to happen, but I'm excited for what is to come.

They were reacting to a rude comment from a guy sitting in their vicinity.
- DrChristianTroy

In my mind they were sizing each other up to settle their differences later on...

Pretty ballzy move by the Canucks to up season ticket prices 3-5 %.

Even a greedy team like the Boston Red Sox know when it's time to freeze ticket prices.

MG was talking about the 5 year plan having to be reset next season. Not sure if that's a rebuild or a retool...regardless, this isn't the year to be sticking it to the fans.

Mediocre drafting together with trading away picks for players now.

Yup.
- Mattjd123

Not true.

Considering the picks they had, they did very well. There's a good list of late-rounders who are looking like they'll be eased in to NHL duty within the next year or two.

The first round picks were all BPA, and are all doing well in their respective leagues—I know everybody wants all the 1st rounders to step into the league within two years, but that's just not realistic when the team is drafting 22-29th perrenially. Not to mention it hasn't been an easy roster to crack.

Only picks that look bad are Sauve, Rodin, and Connauton. Gillis has not done well with his 2nd rounders (3rd for Connauton). Hopefully Mallet bucks the trend.

So, while the drafting isn't the best in the league, it's far from mediocre considering where they're choosing from.

I'd say the development is more suspect than the drafting. Hopefully that changes now that they own the affiliate.

Soo apparently Derek Roy didn't even show up for interviews today.

Pretty ballzy move by the Canucks to up season ticket prices 3-5 %.

Even a greedy team like the Boston Red Sox know when it's time to freeze ticket prices.

MG was talking about the 5 year plan having to be reset next season. Not sure if that's a rebuild or a retool...regardless, this isn't the year to be sticking it to the fans.


- Phratz

Pretty stupid move, but on the bright side I bet more people will be selling single game tickets now.

Not true.

Considering the picks they had, they did very well. There's a good list of late-rounders who are looking like they'll be eased in to NHL duty within the next year or two.

The first round picks were all BPA, and are all doing well in their respective leagues—I know everybody wants all the 1st rounders to step into the league within two years, but that's just not realistic when the team is drafting 22-29th perrenially. Not to mention it hasn't been an easy roster to crack.

Only picks that look bad are Sauve, Rodin, and Connauton. Gillis has not done well with his 2nd rounders (3rd for Connauton). Hopefully Mallet bucks the trend.
- Fosco

Good points.

But our Cupboards are bit bare because of the win now idea, no?

Not true.

Considering the picks they had, they did very well. There's a good list of late-rounders who are looking like they'll be eased in to NHL duty within the next year or two.

The first round picks were all BPA, and are all doing well in their respective leagues—I know everybody wants all the 1st rounders to step into the league within two years, but that's just not realistic when the team is drafting 22-29th perrenially. Not to mention it hasn't been an easy roster to crack.

Only picks that look bad are Sauve, Rodin, and Connauton. Gillis has not done well with his 2nd rounders (3rd for Connauton). Hopefully Mallet bucks the trend.
- Fosco

Not a fan of the overage draft approach. I'd rather draft some of the youngest players in the draft who have more years to potentially take a big step in their development and end up being great value picks. I like the OHL scouting/drafting for sure, might as well keep going to that if they can't trust the other scouts.

This will also be one of the toughest offseasons for a lot of GM's in the league. It is going to be very tough for teams to improve their rosters with the cap going down 6 mil. Gillis and Gilman will have to pull some insane moves to make it work.
- fiveandagame

this year has made me wonder if Garth Snow is a genius. Young team makes the playoffs, tons of good prospects coming up through the system AND 30 mil in cap space this off season with only 4 RFA's I'd consider critical to resign, and no UFA's they absolutely have to keep.

If you're looking to take advantage of GM's in bad cap positions, this is the offseason to do it.

Then you look at the Canucks, which in all fairness, have been very good for a while now, but this offseason is going to be hellish. Only one buyout this season that doesn't count against the cap, with Luongo, Booth and Ballard all needing to go and a much smaller list of teams who could afford to take them, or who would even want them. Gillis is going to get fleeced if he's not careful. No point in anyone offering him any value when he absolutely has to move players for next to nothing in salary just so they can sign some stiffs to fill roster spots.

He needs to blow this team up in a big way and try to rebuild on the fly. Kesler, Schneider and Edler would all be players I'd look to move, they've got value and would bring back a good combination of prospects and picks and free up a good chunk of cap space. Keep Luongo because no one else will take him and then move another defenseman (Bieksa maybe?) for a couple of young players.

Unfortunately with the lack of cap space there is no room for Gillis to keep what he has and add to it, and what he's going to want to get rid of isn't going to bring anything back.

This is going to require major reconstructive surgery and I don't think Gillis is the guy to do it.

Pretty stupid move, but on the bright side I bet more people will be selling single game tickets now.

- Nucker101

Lots of turnover on the season ticket list too.

this year has made me wonder if Garth Snow is a genius. Young team makes the playoffs, tons of good prospects coming up through the system AND 30 mil in cap space this off season with only 4 RFA's I'd consider critical to resign, and no UFA's they absolutely have to keep.

If you're looking to take advantage of GM's in bad cap positions, this is the offseason to do it.

Then you look at the Canucks, which in all fairness, have been very good for a while now, but this offseason is going to be hellish. Only one buyout this season that doesn't count against the cap, with Luongo, Booth and Ballard all needing to go and a much smaller list of teams who could afford to take them, or who would even want them. Gillis is going to get fleeced if he's not careful. No point in anyone offering him any value when he absolutely has to move players for next to nothing in salary just so they can sign some stiffs to fill roster spots.

He needs to blow this team up in a big way and try to rebuild on the fly. Kesler, Schneider and Edler would all be players I'd look to move, they've got value and would bring back a good combination of prospects and picks and free up a good chunk of cap space. Keep Luongo because no one else will take him and then move another defenseman (Bieksa maybe?) for a couple of young players.

Unfortunately with the lack of cap space there is no room for Gillis to keep what he has and add to it, and what he's going to want to get rid of isn't going to bring anything back.

This is going to require major reconstructive surgery and I don't think Gillis is the guy to do it.
- Isles_since_6

I'm not sure about moving all of the players you've suggested, but your make some really good points. Teams with tons of cap space will have tons of players to pick and choose from with all of the cap teams having to unload a player or two without expecting full value in return on the trade market.

Soo apparently Derek Roy didn't even show up for interviews today.
- Nucker101

He's probably gagged & tied to a chair in AV's basement so he couldn't show up and say "What exactly did they acquire me for? Put me at 3LC with plugs, then on the wing... Then 2LC for a shift... Then 3LC... Then back to 2LC to start OT of an elimination game with guys I hadn't had a chance to develop any chemistry with. Interesting experience..."

I'm not sure about moving all of the players you've suggested, but your make some really good points. Teams with tons of cap space will have tons of players to pick and choose from with all of the cap teams having to unload a player or two without expecting full value in return on the trade market.
- Nucker101

That and I really can't see Lou wanting to stay here. Especially without a GM and coaching change

That and I really can't see Lou wanting to stay here. Especially without a GM and coaching change
- Canuckleafer

If you listen to his comments, even with a complete management overhaul, he's done with this franchise. Checked out.

Bla bla bla...something will change...bla bla bla...I'm staying put...bla bla bla...coach staying put...bla bla bla...Sedins, Kessler, Luongo, Bieksa, and others stay put...bla bla bla....some things will change, but not here...bla bla bla...special thanks to our fans...bla bla bla...build trust...bla bla bla...just not with this organization...bla bla bla

See you all back next season

He's probably gagged & tied to a chair in AV's basement so he couldn't show up and say "What exactly did they acquire me for? Put me at 3LC with plugs, then on the wing... Then 2LC for a shift... Then 3LC... Then back to 2LC to start OT of an elimination game with guys I hadn't had a chance to develop any chemistry with. Interesting experience..."
- DrChristianTroy

Sounds like he was given one player to try and fill a multitude of different needs

Just one way of looking at it.

That and I really can't see Lou wanting to stay here. Especially without a GM and coaching change
- Canuckleafer

...or a condo

Good points.

But our Cupboards are bit bare because of the win now idea, no?
- Mattjd123

That's a fair assessment.

Also, I added in the above that the development is more of an issue than the drafting.

The Canucks really lack any elite talent. They have some solid 4-7 D coming up, and bottom 6 forwards, which are mostly from later picks.

The 1st-round label sometimes comes with a lot of unnecessary hype, since the Canucks have been choosing from the bottom of that barrel since Hodgson.

Not to say Jensen/Gaunce, etc. aren't good prospects, but they're longer term projects with less upside than the Huberdeaus/Galchenyuk's, etc.