Soooooo, what now?

exactly.

Hello ladies. Been in Vegas for a few days. Just checked the pool a couple minutes ago. Now the depression of losing in four games on top of losing two grand combined with the fact that I'm getting destroyed in the pool.

Well I can just say its not a happy flight hope. Ill drink the sorrows away on the plane.

I was bored out of my mind today(bed sick) so I decided to look up some info of the coaches mentioned as possible head coach candidates(only those with recent NHL head coach experience). I looked at shot differentials at even strength of the teams they've coached in recent years compared to the rest of the league, I looked at the shot differentials at different situations(tie game, up by one, up by two, down by one). Since I think we're all in agreement that the team needs a coach who will still encourage offensive play even when up by a goal instead of sitting back, I particularly looked at shot differentials when these guys coached with a lead or when tied.


I looked up the history of: Guy Boucher, Dave Tippett Lindy Ruff, Guy Carbonneau, Andy Murray, Jacques Martin, Ron Wilson, Terry Murray, Brent Sutter, John Stevens, John Anderson, Tom Renney, Marc Crawford, etc based on this list: http://vansunsportsblogs....ain-vigneault-gets-fired/

Not the greatest list and some of those coaches are awful, but whatever. Anyways, as you can expect most of those coaches had numbers suggesting that they sit on leads and even at 5 on 5 they had fairly weak teams when it came to puck possession. The only guys who had solid numbers for the majority of their recent NHL head coaching careers(since 07-08) of that group were....


Brent Sutter, Dave Tippett and Terry Murray were all fairly solid, Tippett was surprising considering that PHX is considered to be a trap team, but he seems to do well with what he's given to work with. Sutter had amazing numbers in NJ and was decent in CGY. Murray had decent numbers in LA, but Sutter has been better in LA, but also has a better roster than Murray had so that's hard to really make a call on.

Tom Renney had strong numbers with NYR, but had awful numbers in EDM. Ruff was inconsistent. Boucher was very hard to judge, he was great his first year then the complete opposite his 2nd season in TB and this year he was also pretty bad. Crawford is horrible, plain and simple. AV regressed this year and has steadily regressed since the 10/11 season, as I suspected. I looked up Mac-T since a lot of the posters here wanted him to replace AV, he had bottom 5 numbers when it came to shot differential with a one goal lead during his last 2 seasons in Edmonton as head coach.


Either way, this rules out Ruff IMO, maybe Boucher unless you get the first year TB Boucher. Sutter is interesting since CGY was kind of a mess and he did great with NJ who had a decent roster and was strangely fired. Tippett would be decent if PHX lets him go, but I'm not sure he can come in and make a big time difference.

I was bored out of my mind today(bed sick) so I decided to look up some info of the coaches mentioned as possible head coach candidates(only those with recent NHL head coach experience). I looked at shot differentials at even strength of the teams they've coached in recent years compared to the rest of the league, I looked at the shot differentials at different situations(tie game, up by one, up by two, down by one). Since I think we're all in agreement that the team needs a coach who will still encourage offensive play even when up by a goal instead of sitting back, I particularly looked at shot differentials when these guys coached with a lead or when tied.


I looked up the history of: Guy Boucher, Dave Tippett Lindy Ruff, Guy Carbonneau, Andy Murray, Jacques Martin, Ron Wilson, Terry Murray, Brent Sutter, John Stevens, John Anderson, Tom Renney, Marc Crawford, etc based on this list: http://vansunsportsblogs....ain-vigneault-gets-fired/

Not the greatest list and some of those coaches are awful, but whatever. Anyways, as you can expect most of those coaches had numbers suggesting that they sit on leads and even at 5 on 5 they had fairly weak teams when it came to puck possession. The only guys who had solid numbers for the majority of their recent NHL head coaching careers(since 07-08) of that group were....


Brent Sutter, Dave Tippett and Terry Murray were all fairly solid, Tippett was surprising considering that PHX is considered to be a trap team, but he seems to do well with what he's given to work with. Sutter had amazing numbers in NJ and was decent in CGY. Murray had decent numbers in LA, but Sutter has been better in LA, but also has a better roster than Murray had so that's hard to really make a call on.

Tom Renney had strong numbers with NYR, but had awful numbers in EDM. Ruff was inconsistent. Boucher was very hard to judge, he was great his first year then the complete opposite his 2nd season in TB and this year he was also pretty bad. Crawford is horrible, plain and simple. AV regressed this year and has steadily regressed since the 10/11 season, as I suspected. I looked up Mac-T since a lot of the posters here wanted him to replace AV, he had bottom 5 numbers when it came to shot differential with a one goal lead during his last 2 seasons in Edmonton as head coach.


Either way, this rules out Ruff IMO, maybe Boucher unless you get the first year TB Boucher. Sutter is interesting since CGY was kind of a mess and he did great with NJ who had a decent roster and was strangely fired. Tippett would be decent if PHX lets him go, but I'm not sure he can come in and make a big time difference.
- Nucker101

Hate that list. Why does everyone (in general - not saying you) limit their search to guys who have been fired from other jobs for being sh!tty, rather than put in the work to find the next big thing...

Hate that list. Why does everyone (in general - not saying you) limit their search to guys who have been fired from other jobs for being sh!tty, rather than put in the work to find the next big thing...
- DrChristianTroy

I saw that coming from you. I mentioned that the list did have some horrible candidates. I just worked with what I had, can't find those numbers for AHL and junior coaches or assistant NHL coaches. It's at least a decent way to know what coaches prefer a more offensive style and don't sit back with one goal leads and which guys like to sit back and play the trap or dump the puck with one passive forechecker.

I was bored out of mind , obviously Gillis could quite likely hire someone who's never been a HC in the NHL and has some new fresh ideas.

I saw that coming from you. I mentioned that the list did have some horrible candidates. I just worked with what I had, can't find those numbers for AHL and junior coaches or assistant NHL coaches. It's at least a decent way to know what coaches prefer a more offensive style and don't sit back with one goal leads and which guys like to sit back and play the trap or dump the puck with one passive forechecker.

I was bored out of mind , obviously Gillis could quite likely hire someone who's never been a HC in the NHL and has some new fresh ideas.
- Nucker101

The problem is, a great coach works with what he's given (you can't tell everything from those stats)... Depending on the collective skillset of the team they're coming from, I wouldn't begrudge a guy who sat back on a lead. Take Guy Boucher for example... (frank) that guy. He put his system before the talent he had to play with. 1-3-1 with all that firepower? That means he's a sh!tty coach. If you're not flexible enough to strategize for any hand you're dealt, you're a sh!tty coach. (*cough*AV*cough*)

The problem is, a great coach works with what he's given (you can't tell everything from those stats)... Depending on the collective skillset of the team they're coming from, I wouldn't begrudge a guy who sat back on a lead. Take Guy Boucher for example... (frank) that guy. He put his system before the talent he had to play with. 1-3-1 with all that firepower? That means he's a sh!tty coach. If you're not flexible enough to strategize for any hand you're dealt, you're a sh!tty coach.
- DrChristianTroy

That's fair. I especially agree with the bold. Was just curious to see how the retread coaches stacked up against each other(it's safe to say that most of them didn't exactly have stacked teams with maybe a couple of exceptions). In the end, I just want a coach who can first of all adjust to his players and run the right system accordingly, and know how to react and adjust to opposing teams during a playoff series.

That's fair. I especially agree with the bold. Was just curious to see how the retread coaches stacked up against each other(it's safe to say that most of them didn't exactly have stacked teams with maybe a couple of exceptions). In the end, I just want a coach who can first of all adjust to his players and run the right system accordingly, and know how to react and adjust to opposing teams during a playoff series.
- Nucker101

The more I read about Scott Stevens, the more I want Gillis to call him up for an interview... Fancies himself a student of the game. Says he enjoyed teaching all the younger defensive partners he had throughout his career. Values physical smashmouth hockey in all 3 zones (hard forecheck, hard backcheck, sound D). Top notch leader. I think he could be a good one.

On the other end of the spectrum, we already agree that Igor Larionov would be an interesting possibility if he were interested. If I'm Gillis, I contact him & at least ask for an interview. Maybe get Chris Chelios (former teammate in Det/wants to get into coaching) as his Bowness in charge of the D...

Another thing to consider... How many coaches will agree that Henrik Sedin is the right man to Captain this team? I'd say very few.

Another young coach I really like is Davis Payne. I guarantee the next team to give him a shot won't regret it.

It would be nice if NYI could win 2 more games against the Pens and Ottawa could play the Capitals. Didn't seem likely to start the playoffs, but it seem possible now.

The more I read about Scott Stevens, the more I want Gillis to call him up for an interview... Fancies himself a student of the game. Says he enjoyed teaching all the younger defensive partners he had throughout his career. Values physical smashmouth hockey in all 3 zones (hard forecheck, hard backcheck, sound D). Top notch leader. I think he could be a good one.

On the other end of the spectrum, we already agree that Igor Larionov would be an interesting possibility if he were interested. If I'm Gillis, I contact him & at least ask for an interview. Maybe get Chris Chelios (former teammate in Det/wants to get into coaching) as his Bowness in charge of the D...

Another thing to consider... How many coaches will agree that Henrik Sedin is the right man to Captain this team? I'd say very few.
- DrChristianTroy

I am all for Scott Stevens.

The more I read about Scott Stevens, the more I want Gillis to call him up for an interview... Fancies himself a student of the game. Says he enjoyed teaching all the younger defensive partners he had throughout his career. Values physical smashmouth hockey in all 3 zones (hard forecheck, hard backcheck, sound D). Top notch leader. I think he could be a good one.

On the other end of the spectrum, we already agree that Igor Larionov would be an interesting possibility if he were interested. If I'm Gillis, I contact him & at least ask for an interview. Maybe get Chris Chelios (former teammate in Det/wants to get into coaching) as his Bowness in charge of the D...

Another thing to consider... How many coaches will agree that Henrik Sedin is the right man to Captain this team? I'd say very few.
- DrChristianTroy

If Stevens is coach Henrik is not captain.

My 2 guys to interview are Gary Roberts and Trent Yawney.

I am all for Scott Stevens.
- manvanfan

I don't know enough about his coaching abilities to make a judement call. I would be all for Dallas Eakins though.

Kadri on Eakins.

"He’s the glue that keeps the puzzle together. He’s the quarterback, so to speak, that gives us all the faith and confidence that we need to be successful… words can’t describe what he’s meant to me… When you have a coach like him, you just want to win so badly for him." -Nazem Kadri

I don't know enough about his coaching abilities to make a judement call. I would be all for Dallas Eakins though.
- Canuckleafer

I don't know how he would be as an NHL coach, but he's been a massive, massive, massive boost to the Leafs development system. Since he's taken over, just about every prospect in the system that plays for the Marlies has made huge strides. Through interviews with some of the Marlies, and other coverage from Leafs TV, you get some ideas of the way this guy conducts business, and I like it, in a big way. He's the absolute IDEAL coach for development purposes. I'd be pissed if someone took him off the Leafs. I would be all for the Leafs paying Eakins more to stay coaching their AHL team than Carlyle makes coaching the Leafs. My sentiments are shared my most Leaf fans (who are enough of a hockey fan to follow their farm system).

Oh and this is his wife

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0442635/

I don't know how he would be as an NHL coach, but he's been a massive, massive, massive boost to the Leafs development system. Since he's taken over, just about every prospect in the system that plays for the Marlies has made huge strides. Through interviews with some of the Marlies, and other coverage from Leafs TV, you get some ideas of the way this guy conducts business, and I like it, in a big way. He's the absolute IDEAL coach for development purposes. I'd be pissed if someone took him off the Leafs. I would be all for the Leafs paying Eakins more to stay coaching their AHL team than Carlyle makes coaching the Leafs. My sentiments are shared my most Leaf fans (who are enough of a hockey fan to follow their farm system).

Oh and this is his wife

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0442635/
- Dirte

Agreed - and especially about his wife.

Being a fan of both teams, I'd only really like to see him leave for the Nuckleheads. I've seen a few articles where Nonis was really pushing hard for Eakins to be given the head coach position for the buds but it was Burke who insisted on Carlyle.

You have to figure that it won't be if Eakins is given a chance it is a matter of when. The Av's could be a possibility.

Hate that list. Why does everyone (in general - not saying you) limit their search to guys who have been fired from other jobs for being sh!tty, rather than put in the work to find the next big thing...
- DrChristianTroy

This!

"We're going to do a thorough review of everything in the organization. Five years ago we reset. It's time to do it again," said Gillis.

Ummmmm, can someone explain to me how Gillis "reset" this organization five years ago?
Does throwing rediculous money at Sundin qualify as a reset? Does trading away Hodgson and Grabner qualify as a reset? Does trading for overpriced contracts off of a pathetic Panthers roster qualify?

I'm confused.

I am all for Scott Stevens.
- manvanfan

Eakins as head coach, Stevens assistant along with someone to be named later and Roberts as strength and conditioning coach.

Edlers not going anywhere...Gillis just resigned him

Eakins as head coach, Stevens assistant along with someone to be named later and Roberts as strength and conditioning coach.
- Canuckleafer

Stevens won't leave NJ for a sideways career move.

Stevens won't leave NJ for a sideways career move.
- DrChristianTroy

Oh, I know. It's not expectations, just a wish list. I'm not expecting much of anything at this point

Eakins as head coach, Stevens assistant along with someone to be named later and Roberts as strength and conditioning coach.
- Canuckleafer

I like the idea of eather Eakins or Stevens. I agree with DCT. It would be nice to find a new guy to come in and give him a shot instead of just going to the coaches lost and found to repace AV. This team could use a new/fresh voice and I think a guy in his 1st NHL coaching job would rejuvinate the whole roster.