Diabetes and dramatic hair loss?

I'm a little over weight too.
- mayorofangrytown

At least he didn't say Pens.
- GirouxForTheShow

i bet it's in the back of his mind

I wouldn't consider it adequate compensation. Those picks aren't a guarantee of anything. It it was adequat compensation, Nashville would have declined ot match.
- MJL

didn't say they were a guarantee. but it's adequate consideration for the loss. their choice.

was that really schenn? nice
- Don'tForgetTocchet

with a bullet.

i bet it's in the back of his mind
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Never. Besides I can only hold single thoughts at this age and some times not even the one.

You forget that the KHL was tossing around money that year and the previous one. He wasn't just bidding against NHL GMs. That's what happened the prior year with Nabokov.
- mayorofangrytown

I believe they signed Nabokov to a one year deal and he was back in the NHL right after that for cheap. IMO, they are a non-factor.

I'm rooting for a Kings repeat.

DAS

#1 Lava completely mismanaged the goalies during those playoffs. He should have just rode BOB as far as he could. To make the kid a healthy scratch after winning 28 games in the regular season, was just dumb.

#2 The Flyers should have signed Vokoun to a 3 year deal instead of signing Bryz. Him and BOB could have split time that year and BOB could have taken over this past year. If they did that they would be spending under 4 Million on Goalies instead of over 7 like they will be next season (If Bryz isn't bought out of course) With doing that you are not tied to a goalie for a long period of time and BOB would have been under their control for a few more years.
- Jimmygrazz

This was certainly my preference at the time, as posted here. Once Bryz was signed, it seemed only a matter of time before the seemingly "overpaid back up", Bob would be jettisoned.

I'm rooting for a Kings repeat.

DAS
- aightwebang17

Well in that case, then nothing is adequate in any trade. You can't guarantee performance, especially with the vast variables in hockey. Obviously there is risk, but 4 1st round picks? For one player? Sure you can't guarantee anything, but that goes both ways. Just look at Pronger. I'd rather have Lupul, Sbisa and who did they draft with those 2 1st's? Fowler and ??
- GirouxForTheShow

Actually Anaheim traded the 2009 first rounder to Columbus, who picked John Moore with it. The 2010 pick was Emmerson Etem

This was certainly my preference at the time, as posted here. Once Bryz was signed, it seemed only a matter of time before the seemingly "overpaid back up", Bob would be jettisoned.
- exlund

I dont think there was a single person who wasnt at the least a bit surprised by the Bryz signing. I was optimistic, but the terms werent exactly ideal.. I figured Bob would be the goalie of the future and we would find a guy who could let him Cory Schneider his way into a starting role.

Actually Anaheim traded the 2009 first rounder to Columbus, who picked John Moore with it. The 2010 pick was Emmerson Etem
- JAKEw1234

Hm Idk why I thought it was Fowler. Etem has some filthy hands.

I'm rooting for a Kings repeat.

DAS
- aightwebang17

Dale?

No...

Broons
Hawks


And it will be fabulous.
- mayorofangrytown

Bruins? How dare ye?

Actually Anaheim traded the 2009 first rounder to Columbus, who picked John Moore with it. The 2010 pick was Emmerson Etem
- JAKEw1234

If Anaheim didn't botch the Lupul+Gardiner for Beauchemin trade so badly and didn't waste the #37 that they got back from Columbus while trading down on Mat Clark, the Pronger trade would look really really bad for the Flyers in retrospect.

Etem, Palmieri and Sbisa... still a pretty fantastic haul right there.

I believe they signed Nabokov to a one year deal and he was back in the NHL right after that for cheap. IMO, they are a non-factor.
- phillydentist

They aren't a factor if they're signing the player in free agency that you want? How's that?

If Anaheim didn't botch the Lupul+Gardiner for Beauchemin trade so badly and didn't waste the #37 that they got back from Columbus while trading down on Mat Clark, the Pronger trade would look really really bad for the Flyers in retrospect.

Etem, Palmieri and Sbisa... still a pretty fantastic haul right there.
- Tomahawk

Ya but at the time it was worth it for Pronger.

Well in that case, then nothing is adequate in any trade. You can't guarantee performance, especially with the vast variables in hockey. Obviously there is risk, but 4 1st round picks? For one player? Sure you can't guarantee anything, but that goes both ways. Just look at Pronger. I'd rather have Lupul, Sbisa and who did they draft with those 2 1st's? Fowler and ??
- GirouxForTheShow

No you can't guarantee performance. But when you're trading NHL player for NHL player(s), you atleast know exactly who you're getting. Who you're going to draft with those picks in an unknown. My point was really if Nashville felt the compensation was fair, they would've declined to match. But the value of Weber on the open market, where Nashville can make it's own deal. And get teams bidding against one another. Is likely much higher. And they would be trading him on their own terms.

didn't say they were a guarantee. but it's adequate consideration for the loss. their choice.
- wilsonecho91

I don't consider it adequate. And I doubt Nashville did.

As bad as the Flyers were defensively this year, it wouldn't have mattered if Bernie in his prime was back there.
- flyguy12

Forget defensively, they were horrible offensively too... in fact Mediocre goal tending was our BEST trait this year.

No you can't guarantee performance. But when you're trading NHL player for NHL player(s), you atleast know exactly what you're getting. Who you're going to draft with those picks in an unknown. My point was really if Nashville felt the compensation was fair, they would've declined to match. But the value of Weber on the open market, where Nashville can make it's own deal. And get teams bidding against one another. Is likely much higher. And they would be trading him on their own terms.
- MJL

But then all of the factors have to be considered. It's not just Weber for four 1st's. It's Weber @ 27 million in one calender year (plus rest of contract) for the compensation. Obviously Weber could fetch more on an open market. Ask Nashville if they'd rather have the 27 million and 4 1st round picks now, and the answer might be vastly different than it was when they signed the OS. Once the Flyers pushed that OS through the fax machine, Nash lost that ability to trade him on the open market.

I'm just saying, if you're gonna take the stance that nothing is guaranteed when it comes to picks, even 1st rounders, that the same "non-guaranteed" mindset has to be applied to everything. Even bonafide NHL'ers aren't guaranteed, especially on the injury front. Look at the Pronger situation. I'd rather have Lupul, Sbisa and Emerson Etem. But that's hindsight.

I don't consider it adequate. And I doubt Nashville did.
- MJL

Suter leaving despite them extending Rinne and going all-in the previous trade deadline probably had more to do with them matching than the pure value of the OS compensation.

4 first-round picks was a staggering sum, and I can't say that I didn't let out a huge sigh of relief when the Preds matched.

I don't consider it adequate. And I doubt Nashville did.
- MJL

I'm inclined to agree. Draft picks are a little like lottery tickets, you may win or you may have wasted your time and money.

The Flyers once drafted Claude Giroux late in the first round, which is where Nashville would most likely be drafting if you added Weber to the Flyers roster.

They also once drafted Ryan Sittler and Jason Bowen (in the same year) at 7 and 15.

I can see why Nashville matched the Flyers offer. It should've been a no-brainer if the funds were available, which they apparently were.

But then all of the factors have to be considered. It's not just Weber for four 1st's. It's Weber @ 27 million in one calender year (plus rest of contract) for the compensation. Obviously Weber could fetch more on an open market. But even bonafide NHL'ers aren't guaranteed, especially on the injury front. Ask Nashville if they'd rather have the 27 million and 4 1st round picks now, and the answer might be vastly different than it was when they signed the OS. Once the Flyers pushed that OS through the fax machine, Nash lost that ability to trade him on the open market.

I'm just saying, if you're gonna take the stance that nothing is guaranteed when it comes to picks, even 1st rounders, that the same "non-guaranteed" mindset has to be applied to everything. Look at the Pronger situation. I'd rather have Lupul, Sbisa and Emerson Etem.
- GirouxForTheShow

That goes back to my original point. A team struggling financially isn't supposed to be forced into making a financial decision, when faced with an OS. The spirit of the rule is do they want the player, or the draft pick compensation.
And Nashville gains the ability to trade him in July.
You don't see the difference between the OS, and a player for player with picks deal? Nashville if they declined to match, didn't get a single player guaranteed to play for them. In the Pronger team, both sides got NHL players.

And you're statement that you'd rather have Lupul, Sbisa, and Etem isn't tempered by the fact that you know what happened to Pronger? And you know who was chosen with the pick?

The Flyers once drafted Claude Giroux late in the first round, which is where Nashville would most likely be drafting if you added Weber to the Flyers roster.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I don't know that they wouldn't be exactly where they are right now... accommodating an $8M/year cap-hit would have forced them to move out multiple roster players. Imagine what a nightmare that might have been in the end, if one or more of the compensatory picks had ended up as lottery selections.