I think we all need to work on the way we react to another's opinion. There will always be differences of opinions around here but there is too much belittling among people I assume are grown adults.
- SuperSchennBros

you know what they say about assumptions...

you know what they say about assumptions...
- jak521

They're often inaccurate?

I think we all need to work on the way we react to another's opinion. There will always be differences of opinions around here but there is too much belittling among people I assume are grown adults.
- SuperSchennBros

Ummm... internet?

There isn't a single poster on this site who disagreed that Voynov would be a nice player to add to the team.
- MJL

i disagree.

The internet? Meaning what? As we are reminded, there is a code of conduct and by following it, you would think there would be a certain middle ground of respect with the people you interactive on a daily basis. If someone really needs to feel superior to others on a message board, who has the real issues? Personally I am here to talk hockey and gather information, while maybe throwing out an opinion here and there...When the site becomes too much to deal with, I take a break. It isn't in my nature to look to insult others.....
- SuperSchennBros

Not wanting to speak for others, I think what MOAT was referring to was the sort of behavior you are describing is not germane to HockeyBuzz. It is unfortunate, I agree, but anonymity can lend itself to incivility.

For example, the comment sections over at Philly.com are nothing short of a dumpster fire.

The internet? Meaning what? As we are reminded, there is a code of conduct and by following it, you would think there would be a certain middle ground of respect with the people you interactive on a daily basis. If someone really needs to feel superior to others on a message board, who has the real issues? Personally I am here to talk hockey and gather information, while maybe throwing out an opinion here and there...When the site becomes too much to deal with, I take a break. It isn't in my nature to look to insult others.....
- SuperSchennBros

People don't feel like they need to tap into the civility they were raised with when dealing with anonymous posters on a thread. While I understand what you're talking about and try not to get involved in it, the internet pretty much unlearns all the lessons taught growing up in the school yard.

You can bet your last buck that if these discussions were face to face a completely different tenor would be set.

All that being true, this thread in particular doesn't get all that bad and the few well muscled internet giants can be ignored for the most part. There are some posters who I honestly wonder why others even engage.

Not wanting to speak for others, I think what MOAT was referring to was the sort of behavior you are describing is not germane to HockeyBuzz. It is unfortunate, I agree, but anonymity can lend itself to incivility.

For example, the comment sections over at Philly.com are nothing short of a dumpster fire.
- johndewar

For not wanting to speak for me you did a bang up job, man.

For not wanting to speak for me you did a bang up job, man.

- mayorofangrytown

I especially like the dumpster fire part, good descriptive language.

People don't feel like they need to tap into the civility they were raised with when dealing with anonymous posters on a thread. While I understand what you're talking about and try not to get involved in it, the internet pretty much unlearns all the lessons taught growing up in the school yard.

You can bet your last buck that if these discussions were face to face a completely different tenor would be set.

All that being true, this thread in particular doesn't get all that bad and the few well muscled internet giants can be ignored for the most part. There are some posters who I honestly wonder why others even engage.
- mayorofangrytown

Agreed however there seem to be some posters on here that literally argue or challenge opinions for sake of just doing it. I've learned to just not engage in it cause those battles go nowhere.

What would you give up for him in a trade ? I said I'd do read and a 2nd maybe a 3rd also if needed. Got laughed at saying that's way too much. I like to try and project younger players. I said to get younger players with upside generally you have to overpay or give up established players. Just like my trade coots for subban everyday post. I get laughed at for that too but. Your thoughts?
- SMS4016

It's doubtful LA would make that trade. And I don't think you were laughed at for suggesting trading Couturier for Subban.

I especially like the dumpster fire part, good descriptive language.
- BulliesPhan87

He is a wordsmith isn't he?

It's doubtful LA would make that trade. And I don't think you were laughed at for suggesting trading Couturier for Subban.
- MJL

Damn right. No way LA trades him for Read, and 2nd, and a 3rd. You're definitely sending a defenseman the other way, to start. Not sure what the trade is, but it's not a 27-year-old UFA-to-be and 2 picks.

It's doubtful LA would make that trade. And I don't think you were laughed at for suggesting trading Couturier for Subban.
- MJL

Voynov is playing so well vs St. Louis I would consider trading our 1st and 2nd for him. Yes it's giving up a lot but I rather have an NHL ready puck moving defenseman now than drafting Pulock and fixing our problem 2-3 years from now.

L.A needs the cap space so drafts picks would be a offer they may consider.

50.5M allotted to 14 players for next season. A financial tightrope will have to be navigated in order to divide salaries to some of Los Angeles’ eight restricted free agents (Voynov, Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Ellerby, Muzzin, Bernier) and four unrestricted free agents (Scuderi, Penner, Drewiske, Richardson).

Voynov is playing so well vs St. Louis I would consider trading our 1st and 2nd for him. Yes it's giving up a lot but I rather have an NHL ready puck moving defenseman now than drafting Pulock and fixing our problem 2-3 years from now.

L.A needs the cap space so drafts picks would be a offer they may consider.

50.5M allotted to 14 players for next season. A financial tightrope will have to be navigated in order to divide salaries to some of Los Angeles’ eight restricted free agents (Voynov, Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Ellerby, Muzzin, Bernier) and four unrestricted free agents (Scuderi, Penner, Drewiske, Richardson).
- Chris48

I'd think they move out other pieces to hold onto Voynov is they really had to.

Voynov is playing so well vs St. Louis I would consider trading our 1st and 2nd for him. Yes it's giving up a lot but I rather have an NHL ready puck moving defenseman now than drafting Pulock and fixing our problem 2-3 years from now.

L.A needs the cap space so drafts picks would be a offer they may consider.

50.5M allotted to 14 players for next season. A financial tightrope will have to be navigated in order to divide salaries to some of Los Angeles’ eight restricted free agents (Voynov, Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Ellerby, Muzzin, Bernier) and four unrestricted free agents (Scuderi, Penner, Drewiske, Richardson).
- Chris48

They don't have to worry about Drewiske. He doesn't play for them.

They don't have to worry about Drewiske. He doesn't play for them.
- strongsupporter

right ... MTL

I'd think they move out other pieces to hold onto Voynov is they really had to.
- jmatchett383

They can get cap space without moving Voynov for sure. That being said, that's a very interesting offer for their current situation/team.

Bill..a little off topic

What did you think of Subban yellin at Pacoretty from the bench?

Do you think it was immature of him to do that with cameras everywhere?
- sarmen25

Exactly why I hate him. He's very immature and unprofessional, in my opinion. He's a walking locker room cancer, it seems.

(I know, I'm not Bill. Deal with it )

It's doubtful LA would make that trade. And I don't think you were laughed at for suggesting trading Couturier for Subban.
- MJL

NotBeing argumentative but yeah I was laughed at. I was told you don't trade a possible future selke trophy winner for subban. I would make that trade today even if coots won the selke this year. I value Dmen like subban. More than selke winner any day of the week.

Ummm... internet?
- mayorofangrytown

Hypersensitivity.

"You all laughed at me when I said something more specific than the generalizations that are being bandied about now!"

"I can dish it out but not take it so I'm going to flame you via PM."

Waaa...

Damn right. No way LA trades him for Read, and 2nd, and a 3rd. You're definitely sending a defenseman the other way, to start. Not sure what the trade is, but it's not a 27-year-old UFA-to-be and 2 picks.
- jmatchett383

At the time of the voynov discussion I was told read was great. He's soo valuable. Was told you don't trade a player that gets 50 to 60 points, plays great pk, moves up and down the lIneup for a dman with potential. So I said if read was so great la would jump all over read a2nd and 3rd for voynov. I agree la would be stupid to make that trade. In 2 years voynov will be moRe valueable to la than doughty IMO.

And here's the next part in my "Jake's crazy unrealistic offseason plans" series

Someone stop me if I'm being outrageous.

Step 1) Keep that #11 pick. It's good right where it is.

Step 2) Make a trade, a big trade, to acquire a pick inbetween #4 and # 7, without dealing the #11 in said trade. I was thinking (this is probably where some of you will stop me) something along the lines of Matt Read, 2013 2nd round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2015 1st round pick, 2015 2nd round pick. According to the article someone posted in one of the older comment boards (sorry dont have source) on the average teams have HISTORICALLY paid for draft picks in draft pick for draft pick trades, a 4th overall is worth 53.4 points. This is where a bit of generalization comes in. For lack of a better way I'm going to assume we're back where we historically have always been or been around in the draft after this year, meaning our 2nd rounders will be around #40, and our 1st rounders around #20. A #20 pick is worth 22.4 points, and a #40 is worth 9.0 points. Again this i not based on value it's based on what teams have historically had to pay for draft picks. with 1 #20 and 3 #40s, 27 + 22.4 = 49.4. A few points will have to be subtracted because the picks are acouple years away, so for the sake of me being innacurate lets say these picks are worth around 45 points. Add Matt Read to this, and I'll let you be the judge of whether or not we get over 53 points, but Matt Read would need the value of a mid 2nd rounder, which I hope everyone can agree he exceeds. We can luckily replace him in the top 6 easily and sign a bigger body winger to increase size in the bottom 6 (maybe clarkson?)
Step 3) Once we have the #4-7 and the #11, we pick Nichushkin at #4-7 and Pulock at #11. We then have a future top pair defense man and future top line, do it all, big body LWer for G an Jake a couple years down the line. Luckily everyone's so young that by the time Nich and Pulock should be NHL ready, Giroux will still be approaching or will have just entered his prime.

So, on a scale from 1 to go (frank) yourself Jake, how good of a draft plan do you think this is?

Not wanting to speak for others, I think what MOAT was referring to was the sort of behavior you are describing is not germane to HockeyBuzz. It is unfortunate, I agree, but anonymity can lend itself to incivility.

For example, the comment sections over at Philly.com are nothing short of a dumpster fire.
- johndewar

My preference is when folks overreact and infer what is NOT implied.

Voynov is playing so well vs St. Louis I would consider trading our 1st and 2nd for him. Yes it's giving up a lot but I rather have an NHL ready puck moving defenseman now than drafting Pulock and fixing our problem 2-3 years from now.

L.A needs the cap space so drafts picks would be a offer they may consider.

50.5M allotted to 14 players for next season. A financial tightrope will have to be navigated in order to divide salaries to some of Los Angeles’ eight restricted free agents (Voynov, Clifford, Lewis, Nolan, Martinez, Ellerby, Muzzin, Bernier) and four unrestricted free agents (Scuderi, Penner, Drewiske, Richardson).
- Chris48

Don't think that get's it done either. LA will find away around the Cap issues without trading a quality young defenseman.