How is it silly? He did not earn a consideration, did he? He was not chosen as a finalist for a reason. Argue all you want but he clearly was not considered good enough to make the top 3.
- MadManPaddy

GO SENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is it silly? He did not earn a consideration, did he? He was not chosen as a finalist for a reason. Argue all you want but he clearly was not considered good enough to make the top 3.
- MadManPaddy

Lol, and there is a boatload of different factors that can slant the voting in a number of ways. How much you want to bet some writers made up their mind after Yaks OT celly?

I never suggested that +/- was the critical part of their stats. I simply point out that it is a reflection of their defensive abilities, which is part of the consideration for this award.
- MadManPaddy

Are you aware of what +/- actually is? I'm curious now.

I never suggested that +/- was the critical part of their stats. I simply point out that it is a reflection of their defensive abilities, which is part of the consideration for this award.
- MadManPaddy

Exactly, you're misusing and abusing it.

Where it gets further destroyed is here: Oilers as a team scored 82 ES goals. Yakupov had 11 of them. Also had more hits than Huberdeau and Saad, only 3 less than Gallagher.

Personally I honestly think it should have been Brodin's award but to say Yakupov didn't earn a nomination is just silly. Only OV scored more goals in April. No one that any other rookie had for linemates could possibly be as offensively void as Belanger and Horcoff.
- sanfordnson

As I’ve said in this thread in the past. I think it’s Huberdeau’s by a landslide. I think any two of Yakupov, Schultz, and Saad are perfectly fit finalists. After Huberdeau, there are several players that could have been there. A week before the season closed, I wouldn’t have even considered Yakupov, but he changed that. If there were some more time to the season, he likely would have been taken more seriously.

To be honest, given that he did that after the Oilers were eliminated, and the games meant nothing, many likely didn’t even notice.

As I’ve said in this thread in the past. I think it’s Huberdeau’s by a landslide. I think any two of Yakupov, Schultz, and Saad are perfectly fit finalists. After Huberdeau, there are several players that could have been there. A week before the season closed, I wouldn’t have even considered Yakupov, but he changed that. If there were some more time to the season, he likely would have been taken more seriously.

To be honest, given that he did that after the Oilers were eliminated, and the games meant nothing, many likely didn’t even notice.
- Dirte

When was Florida eliminated again?

I think that pretty clearly shows the claim that he played with Horcoff and Belanger is a bunch of crap.
- Dirte

First of all, I think that people were saying Belanger and Jones, I don't think anyone argued that he was playing on a line with two centres.

That's where he got his ES points. We know he didn't score a lot during the middle of the season. I can go back and get dates for all these points, or linemates for games he didn't score points if you want. I wasn't even arguing that he had terrible linemates the entire way through. I will say that he didn't have Hall, Nuge or Eberle the entire way through like some seem to claim.

From my perspective, he played with equal teammates to Huberdeau's Fleischmann and Mueller in Gagner and Hemsky, then worse teammates in Belanger/Horcoff and Jones/Smyth, then better by having Hall. The bow in his production seems to indicate that's the case, as well as the fact that he was game to take advantage of having great linemates. But as I say, Huberdeau is the winner for me anyway.

[quote=Morris]First off, I don't see how Galchenyuk is any more deserving of a Calder nomination than Yakupov.



Wow, you have far too much time on your hands.

All of your "stats" do nothing for me and I doubt that they are part of the decision process for who wins anyhow.

Argue all you want, Yakupov was not considered a finalist for the award and there is a reason for that.
- MadManPaddy

I'm not a historian, but you may be the biggest tool in the history of the world.

[quote=Morris]First off, I don't see how Galchenyuk is any more deserving of a Calder nomination than Yakupov.



Wow, you have far too much time on your hands.

All of your "stats" do nothing for me and I doubt that they are part of the decision process for who wins anyhow.

Argue all you want, Yakupov was not considered a finalist for the award and there is a reason for that.
- MadManPaddy

I dont care about the facts. And im goin to attempt to deflect my ignorance with a personal jab at u for taking the time to prove me wrong.

I dont care about the facts. And im goin to attempt to deflect my ignorance with a personal jab at u for taking the time to prove me wrong.
- hugefemale dog77

I'm going to estimate that took me about 6 minutes, start to finish. I love everyone running around slagging each other for having "too much time on their hands" when he's probably spent the last 5 hours refreshing the page to read what everyone says about him.

poop, at least I went to get groceries today...

When was Florida eliminated again?
- ShooterMcGavin

Pretty early. But Huberdeau was pretty steady all season. He didn’t put 20% of his production up in his last 3 games.

I'm going to estimate that took me about 6 minutes, start to finish. I love everyone running around slagging each other for having "too much time on their hands" when he's probably spent the last 5 hours refreshing the page to read what everyone says about him.

poop, at least I went to get groceries today...
- Morris

Well played.

Its all transparent fronting for the guys that try and call others out on the same website theyre posting on..

Im doin an intern thing for a mining company for the summer and i literally surfed HB all morning. And clicked refresh a bunch of times.

And i know im much cooler than he is

As I’ve said in this thread in the past. I think it’s Huberdeau’s by a landslide. I think any two of Yakupov, Schultz, and Saad are perfectly fit finalists. After Huberdeau, there are several players that could have been there. A week before the season closed, I wouldn’t have even considered Yakupov, but he changed that. If there were some more time to the season, he likely would have been taken more seriously.

To be honest, given that he did that after the Oilers were eliminated, and the games meant nothing, many likely didn’t even notice.
- Dirte

Here's what I dug up about Yak's linemates, in case you were interested.

percentages of ES time with certain linemates (it should add up to Yak's percentage of ES time, not 100%).
from http://www.leftwinglock.com/
Hemsky - Gagner - Yakupov: 5.19%
Paajarvi - Gagner - Yakupov: 4.77%
Jones- Horcoff- Yakupov: 2.75%
Smyth - Belanger - Yakupov: 1.39%
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov: 1.24%
Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov: 1.12%
Yakupov -Eberle- Nugent-Hopkins: 0.96%
TOTAL 17.42

breakdown of ES with certain players (rendered as % of Yaks' ES time)
Hemsky: 29.8%
Gagner: 64.3%
Paajarvi: 27.4%
Jones: 15.8%
Horcoff: 22.2%
Belanger: 8%
Smyth: 8%
Hall: 13.7%
Eberle: 5.5%
Nugent-Hopkins: 5.5%

If he has anyone to "thank" for his season, it's moreso Gagner than Hall imo. But again, as I said, three phases of the season.

Here's what I dug up about Yak's linemates, in case you were interested.

percentages of ES time with certain linemates (it should add up to Yak's percentage of ES time, not 100%).
from http://www.leftwinglock.com/
Hemsky - Gagner - Yakupov: 5.19%
Paajarvi - Gagner - Yakupov: 4.77%
Jones- Horcoff- Yakupov: 2.75%
Smyth - Belanger - Yakupov: 1.39%
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov: 1.24%
Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov: 1.12%
Yakupov -Eberle- Nugent-Hopkins: 0.96%
TOTAL 17.42

breakdown of ES with certain players (rendered as % of Yaks' ES time)
Hemsky: 29.8%
Gagner: 64.3%
Paajarvi: 27.4%
Jones: 15.8%
Horcoff: 22.2%
Belanger: 8%
Smyth: 8%
Hall: 13.7%
Eberle: 5.5%
Nugent-Hopkins: 5.5%

If he has anyone to "thank" for his season, it's moreso Gagner than Hall imo. But again, as I said, three phases of the season.
- Morris

Who takes the time to find out the real truth??
What a loser!!!

Here's what I dug up about Yak's linemates, in case you were interested.

percentages of ES time with certain linemates (it should add up to Yak's percentage of ES time, not 100%).
from http://www.leftwinglock.com/
Hemsky - Gagner - Yakupov: 5.19%
Paajarvi - Gagner - Yakupov: 4.77%
Jones- Horcoff- Yakupov: 2.75%
Smyth - Belanger - Yakupov: 1.39%
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov: 1.24%
Hall-Horcoff-Yakupov: 1.12%
Yakupov -Eberle- Nugent-Hopkins: 0.96%
TOTAL 17.42

breakdown of ES with certain players (rendered as % of Yaks' ES time)
Hemsky: 29.8%
Gagner: 64.3%
Paajarvi: 27.4%
Jones: 15.8%
Horcoff: 22.2%
Belanger: 8%
Smyth: 8%
Hall: 13.7%
Eberle: 5.5%
Nugent-Hopkins: 5.5%

If he has anyone to "thank" for his season, it's moreso Gagner than Hall imo. But again, as I said, three phases of the season.
- Morris

Looks to me like he wasn't getting the shaft on linemates at all.

Looks to me like he wasn't getting the shaft on linemates at all.
- Dirte

He clearly played the bulk of the season with gagner

Looks to me like he wasn't getting the shaft on linemates at all.
- Dirte

As I say, beginning of the season with equal linemates to Huberdeau, dip in the middle of the season with worse linemates, end of the season with far better linemates. I've never claimed that Yakupov played with plugs. Gagner, Hemmer and Paajarvi have flitted back and forth between 2nd and 3rd liners.

I really think Huberdeau deserves it, moreso posting in response to the idea that Yakupov has somehow played with Hall, Eberle, Gagner, Nugent-Hopkins and Crosby all at once 100% of the time, as some trolls choose to portray it.

As I say, beginning of the season with equal linemates to Huberdeau, dip in the middle of the season with worse linemates, end of the season with far better linemates. I've never claimed that Yakupov played with plugs. Gagner, Hemmer and Paajarvi have flitted back and forth between 2nd and 3rd liners.

I really think Huberdeau deserves it, moreso posting in response to the idea that Yakupov has somehow played with Hall, Eberle, Gagner, Nugent-Hopkins and Crosby all at once 100% of the time, as some trolls choose to portray it.
- Morris

care to look up Huberdeau's linemate stats?

He clearly played the bulk of the season with gagner
- hugefemale dog77

As has been proven on many occasions gagner is not skilled enough to be top two center and not nearly big enough to be third line center. So maybe it should boosts yaks consideration as he put up this numbers with an ahl 4th line tweener

First off, I don't see how Galchenyuk is any more deserving of a Calder nomination than Yakupov.

Now, as for a reasonable argument that puts Yakupov in as a definite Calder nom, there isn't one. Everyone was incredibly close and Yakupov could easily have been in there or not.

However, I did collect some advanced statistics that hopefully shed light on this idea that Yakupov is a liability while Gallagher and Galchenyuk are more "well-rounded"

Relative Corsi (how much a team outshoots or gets outshot while a player is on the ice relative to how they do when he's not on the ice*):
Yakupov: -5.1
Galchenyuk: -5.4
Gallagher: 16.1

You see here that Gallagher is easily ahead of the other two, who are almost identical. Remember of course that in Corsi, any attempted shot, not simply shots on goal, count towards the data. Evidently Gallagher's line isn't generating 16 shots on goal per 60 minutes! But his big lead in this category will make sense when you see that Gallagher has an insanely high offensive zone start.

Off Zone Start (how often a player started their shift in the offensive zone)
Gallagher: 66%
Galchenyuk: 58.5%
Yakupov: 51.1%

None of these players have tough assignments in this regard: they've all been sheltered. That being said, Gallagher starts his shifts in a prime scoring position decidedly more often than the other two. It's more easy to keep puck out of your net during a shift when the other team has to transition from their own zone all the way down the ice. Now let's see how often that happens?

Off Zone finish (how often a player finished their shift in the offensive zone)
Gallagher: 53%
Galchenyuk: 50.4%
Yakupov: 51.0%

Very similar amongst all of them, but when paired with the offensive zone start stat they start to tell a different tale. Gallagher starts many more shifts in the offensive zone than he finishes shifts there. With Galchenyuk, the difference is not that great, and with Yakupov, the difference is non-existent. Yakupov seems at least effective in making good on the easy ice time, if not good at keeping the puck out of his own zone. Gallagher, the most highly-touted defensive player of the three actually has the hardest time keeping the puck out of his own zone over the course of the shift.

Quality of Competition (Average Relative Plus-Minus of opposing players, weighted by head-to-head ice time. )
Gallagher: -0.080
Galchenyuk: -0.135
Yakupov: -0.020

Essentially average assignments for all. Galchenyuk tails here, rarely punching above his weight. Gallagher never faced top competition but wasn't as spoonfed as the Galchenyuk. Yakupov faced the toughest competition, but still not inordinately tough. How does this rank vis a vis their teammates (min 20GP). Galchenyuk had the second easiest assignment in terms of Qualcomp on the team (only Ryan White behind him). Gallagher was 13th (9th among forwards). Yakupov had the 9th hardest assignment on the Oilers (7th among forwards)

Quality of Teammates (Average Relative Plus-Minus of Teammates, weighted by ice time together. )
Gallagher: 0.215 (4th highest on team)
Galchenyuk: 0.259 (2nd on team)
Yakupov: 0.034 (10th on team)

This is the most drastic stat amongst the bunch. Yakupov had a far lower quality of teammates, suggesting that statistics have found an answer in the "better teammates vs. more ice time" debate. Put together with quality of competition, you can see how Yakupov's highest quality of competition and lowest quality of teammates correlates quite naturally with the impression people get of him.

Take from these stats what you will. I just thought I'd give you a bigger picture of what to look for when you're determining how well-rounded a player is.
- Morris

Quit using facts and stuff... Yakupov is the poopie.

care to look up Huberdeau's linemate stats?
- Dirte

It should be all there on that site. I was just going on what you had said that he was with Fleischmann and Mueller.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that right now Fleischmann and Mueller are on par with Gagner and Hemsky/Paajarvi, while Hall is better and Jones/Smyth and Belanger/Horcoff are worse.

It should be all there on that site. I was just going on what you had said that he was with Fleischmann and Mueller.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that right now Fleischmann and Mueller are on par with Gagner and Hemsky/Paajarvi, while Hall is better and Jones/Smyth and Belanger/Horcoff are worse.
- Morris

here are his actual breakdowns according to the site.

mueller 85.03%
shore 65.81%
matthias 17.25%
fleischmann 11.08%
goc 11.08%
kovalev 5.87%
santorelli 3.89%


that's not looking pretty.