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edmhatescal
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NY
Joined: 11.08.2011

May 11 @ 8:24 AM ET
He played with gagner/prv and gagner/hemsky far more than any other combination.
If that's bad linemates, then we're effed forever!

And who cares really? He did struggle for stretches in the middle. But u could see him figuring out the pro game in that last month.
He's gonna be a force for a long time

- hugefemale dog77

He played with Belanger or Horcoff all season.
KingsFan30
Los Angeles Kings
Location: the place where andy dick isn't, CA
Joined: 12.09.2010

May 11 @ 12:11 PM ET
muzzin shouldve been called up earlier in the season; then maybe he wouldve gotten calder consideration
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 11 @ 3:56 PM ET
He played with Belanger or Horcoff all season.
- edmhatescal

Not even close. Did u only happen watch 10 games or so?
Dont believe the hype bud.

Another oiler poster figured out the stats on who he spent the majority of his playing time with. Its overwhelmingly gagner and hemmer/prv on the other side.

He did play for short stints with belanger/horcoff when he was rightfully demoted for short stretches.

If i get bored ill try and find the link that proves u wrong.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 11 @ 4:19 PM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...?thread_id=106832&page=13

Almost Double the amount of ES time with gags and hemmer than with horcoff and jones.
and still even a third more with prv on that wing instead of hemsky.

And Almost 5 times more gags than with belanger as his center.

So again, Not even close
pbrsimps
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2011

May 12 @ 10:33 AM ET
I agree, Brodin should be there, but there were so many solid rookie season without anyone running away with it.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

May 12 @ 3:14 PM ET
I agree, Brodin should be there, but there were so many solid rookie season without anyone running away with it.
- pbrsimps

This

A case could be made for about 6 guys.

I question saad, but Their choices certainly werent crazy
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

May 12 @ 10:59 PM ET
All everyone here seems to consider is points....which isn't bad, if that is what hockey is all about....let's look into the stats further....particularly +/-....

Yak is -4, which is comparable with the avg of his teammates
Schultz is -17 which is well below avg of his teammates
Hub is -15 which is slightly below avg than his teammates
Brodin is +3 which is on par with his teammates
Saad is +17 which is slightly sub par compared to his teammates
Gallagher is +10 which is slightly above par with his teammates.

Taking a look at the stats I believe that the rooks that made a positive contribution were Yak, Brodin, Saad, and Gallagher.

Schultz and Hub, due to their poor +/- should have been excluded...although Hub did have the most points....I'm not necessarily speaking about the poor plus minus, but compared to other teammates their +/- was poor.

Due to Yak's inconsistency, he should be excluded as well....not bringin' it every night is a negative factor for me.

That leaves Brodin, Gallagher and Saad as my Calder trophy finalists.

- Apocalypse71

Let preface that there are many legitimate reasons why they picked those finalists, and didn't pick Yak, BUT

I don't know where this idea came from. He was not exactly a consistent scorer in terms of point production (though pretty much on par with Huberdeau).

But he absolutely gave 100% effort for each and every game, and contributed every time he was on the ice. He brought it every night.


...

If I had to guess where the "yak didn't try half the time" narrative came from, it would be those who place primacy on stats over ever watching a player play, or going to wikipedia, seeing his nationality and making up stories about his effort.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

May 12 @ 11:02 PM ET
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=106832&page=13

Almost Double the amount of ES time with gags and hemmer than with horcoff and jones.
and still even a third more with prv on that wing instead of hemsky.

And Almost 5 times more gags than with belanger as his center.

So again, Not even close

- hugefemale dog77

It deflates those that claim he had Hall and Nuge, but everyone seems to forget that he was a real top 6er essentially until the long road trip.
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