I'm wondering if it will be Lu and Kes, in Gillis' office ask to be dealt this offseason.

Kesler has used the word embarassing a lot in the past two weeks. That can't be good.
- IanEsplen

Kesler and Lou are embarrassed the sad part is I don't think the rest of the team is. They should be.

Ward Farraro MacLean Kevin Weekly all said it . Did you listen to the 1040 today? It was not pretty.
- VANTEL

1040 guys are almost all complete idiots, so I likely don't agree with what they have to say.

AV is the main problem. Get rid of him, and go from there.

I wouldn't pay a (frank)ing DIME (and haven't - only go when it's free) to see an Alain Vigneault coached team. I do think that the right coach can turn this core around in a hurry.
- DrChristianTroy

I think under any coach I still see Edler and Bieksa making bone head plays half the time. I still think the Sedins would cycle ( it is what they know ) Hard to teach old dogs new tricks. I still think Kesler plays as a shoot first player.

If it is our lineup we are out first round again
- VANTEL

You can't say that without filling in those blanks on the second, get some real secondary scoring and a better coaching staff and this team can contend again.

You can't say that without filling in those blanks on the second, get some real secondary scoring and a better coaching staff and this team can contend again.
- Nucker101

We don't need secondary scoring we need SCORING

Secondary scoring would insinuate we are getting points from our first line .

This core has won 2 out of the last 13 playoff games

I think under any coach I still see Edler and Bieksa making bone head plays half the time. I still think the Sedins would cycle ( it is what they know ) Hard to teach old dogs new tricks. I still think Kesler plays as a shoot first player.
- VANTEL

Under different circumstances:

Bieksa is paired with Hamhuis and allowed to play his nasty game (which Bowness doesn't approve of).

Edler is paired with Tanev and doesn't have to think so hard.

The Sedin cycle could still be just as effective as it ever was if other teams didn't have the freedom to ONLY focus on them. They need a 2nd line to warrant some of that attention.

Kesler gets moved to the wing where his skillset works. He is a shoot first player being given a role that he doesn't fit anymore. AV loves to win faceoffs... Kesler had 2 goals and was a -1 in our game 2 loss when he won 70% of his draws... Shows how important that stat is. Big Slow Thornton was +3 in that game while winning only 30% of his faceoffs.

Game 4 I start Luo.
I also play lots of the kids, everyone has already written off this series so why not throw in some of the young guys, pretty sure they will put out better effort than some of the regulars. I would also find a way to put Schroeder in and Kes and Burrows together. Play the Sedins as the 2nd or 3rd line, they have really let me down this "series".

No one calling Ian a homer?

Also fire AV.

Under different circumstances:

Bieksa is paired with Hamhuis and allowed to play his nasty game (which Bowness doesn't approve of).

Edler is paired with Tanev and doesn't have to think so hard.

The Sedin cycle could still be just as effective as it ever was if other teams didn't have the freedom to ONLY focus on them. They need a 2nd line to warrant some of that attention.

Kesler is a shoot first player being given a role that he doesn't fit anymore. AV loves to win faceoffs... Kesler had 2 goals and was a -1 in our game 2 loss when he won 70% of his draws... Shows how important that stat is. Big Slow Thornton was +3 in that game while winning only 30% of his faceoffs.
- DrChristianTroy

Coddling our 5 mil dollar star Dman with a sophmore so he can play well is nuts. What happens if Tanev is injured in the playoffs ,do we play with the big Swedish void? If I am paying 5 mil for a Dman I want him showing the sophmore how to play not vise versa .

The Sedins cycle would work well on the second line and second PP unit. I am fed up with that laid back cycle between the two players.

Kesler IMO should be wearing the C and kicking asses and taking names ,including the Sedins (more so Daniel )

Under different circumstances:

Bieksa is paired with Hamhuis and allowed to play his nasty game (which Bowness doesn't approve of).

Edler is paired with Tanev and doesn't have to think so hard.

The Sedin cycle could still be just as effective as it ever was if other teams didn't have the freedom to ONLY focus on them. They need a 2nd line to warrant some of that attention.

Kesler gets moved to the wing where his skillset works. He is a shoot first player being given a role that he doesn't fit anymore. AV loves to win faceoffs... Kesler had 2 goals and was a -1 in our game 2 loss when he won 70% of his draws... Shows how important that stat is. Big Slow Thornton was +3 in that game while winning only 30% of his faceoffs.
- DrChristianTroy

Exactly, especially agree with your point about the Sedins. If they were so predictable and easy to defend then they'd have a lot worse numbers in the regular season AND playoffs.

Let's go outside the box for a coach and GM. How about Markus Naslund as the GM since he's got experience in Modo, and have Trevor Linden be the Head Coach with Pavel Bure as his PP/breakout coach and Ohlund as the D coach.

Coddling our 5 mil dollar star Dman with a sophmore so he can play well is nuts. What happens if Tanev is injured in the playoffs ,do we play with the big Swedish void? If I am paying 5 mil for a Dman I want him showing the sophmore how to play not vise versa .

The Sedins cycle would work well on the second line and second PP unit. I am fed up with that laid back cycle between the two players.

Kesler IMO should be wearing the C and kicking asses and taking names ,including the Sedins (more so Daniel )
- VANTEL

Agree with your first and third points.

Judging this group based on what AV & Bowness have done with them is like looking in a funny mirror and deciding you need plastic surgery.
- DrChristianTroy

That's a fantastic analogy.

Follow-up question: new coach/GM come in, do you stick with the same core to see what they can do under new management?

I disagree with you and Scooby. He should be wearing the C on this team. Only guy who gives all of himself on every shift in any role.
- DrChristianTroy

Burrows Hansen and Schneider are my only untouchables.

In fact, I bet those three could beat beat some teams on a good night

Coddling our 5 mil dollar star Dman with a sophmore so he can play well is nuts. What happens if Tanev is injured in the playoffs ,do we play with the big Swedish void? If I am paying 5 mil for a Dman I want him showing the sophmore how to play not vise versa .

The Sedisn cycle would work well on the second line and second PP unit. I am fed up with that laid back cycle between the two players.

Kesler IMO should be wearing the C and kicking asses and taking names ,including the Sedins (more so Daniel )
- VANTEL

Giving a guy a partner to build chemistry with and letting him play on his own side is not "coddling" him. Hmmm who else has been ruined by this sort of treatment? #Ballard

Let's go outside the box for a coach and GM. How about Markus Naslund as the GM since he's got experience in Modo, and have Trevor Linden be the Head Coach with Pavel Bure as his PP/breakout coach and Ohlund as the D coach.
- DariusKnight

Meh, good players don't always make good coaches. Look at Gretzky. This group doesn't need another player's coach, they need a hardass that isn't afraid to make in-game adjustments and will show some emotion when the team doesn't show up and the refs are being female doges. And for the love of God, I hope it's a coach who prefers an offensive, puck possession game.

Far from it (saints that is). My point was Bieksa should shut the f*ck up, its the playoffs and in the playoffs you do what it takes to win. Nothing else matters.

As for coming out on top, it is 3-0, could easily be 2-1 and it ain't over yet.
- hit 'em

I agree with this. Some of the Sharks dive, some of the Canucks dive, but when you're down 0-3 in a series is not the time to cry about it and call people so called Canadians. That comment was just weird.

And dude, it's 0-3. We're not about to reel off 4 straight wins (as much as I'd froth at the mouth if we did). It's over.

Burrows Hansen and Schneider are my only untouchables.

In fact, I bet those three could beat beat some teams on a good night
- 1970vintage

I don't have untouchables anything that can improve the team I do.

The Sedins remind me of Geroy Simon. Maybe we should hire Buono as our new GM

Meh, good players don't always make good coaches. Look at Gretzky. This group doesn't need another player's coach, they need a hardass that isn't afraid to make in-game adjustments and will show some emotion when the team doesn't show up and the refs are being female doges. And for the love of God, I hope it's a coach who prefers an offensive, puck possession game.
- Nucker101

I want the Cup, if playing like a New Jersey or Tampa Bay or LA or Boston or whatever style is going to win, then (frank) being watchable.

Giving a guy a partner to build chemistry with and letting him play on his own side is not "coddling" him. Hmmm who else has been ruined by this sort of treatment? #Ballard
- DrChristianTroy

Hamhuis has played well with everyone , Tanev has also . Looks like Corrado will also . Garrison looks like he is adapting. The only two that have trouble adapting are our two most expensive and our biggest liabilities

Haven't seen a single analyst/insider say this, but I haven't really been looking hard.

I think they need to consider moving a core member or two, but only if a deal comes along that makes sense and improves the team.

I honestly don't think the Canucks need to "blow it up."

I don't want to see it, and I'd rather watch this team continue the way they have and hope some prospects develop well, and that they draft a few gems, than watch them trade away players on the current team that I've enjoyed watching for years.
- Fosco

Completely agree. A mgmt change and trading away some areas of depth for areas of need should be enough to see a dramatic change.

Let's go outside the box for a coach and GM. How about Markus Naslund as the GM since he's got experience in Modo, and have Trevor Linden be the Head Coach with Pavel Bure as his PP/breakout coach and Ohlund as the D coach.
- DariusKnight

Yeah we need more of a soft European ambiance on this team

I agree with this. Some of the Sharks dive, some of the Canucks dive, but when you're down 0-3 in a series is not the time to cry about it and call people so called Canadians. That comment was just weird.

And dude, it's 0-3. We're not about to reel off 4 straight wins (as much as I'd froth at the mouth if we did). It's over.
- AlexF

I laughed when I heard Bieksa . I have to give him credit but Canucks have the biggest reputation as divers

Meh, good players don't always make good coaches. Look at Gretzky. This group doesn't need another player's coach, they need a hardass that isn't afraid to make in-game adjustments and will show some emotion when the team doesn't show up and the refs are being female doges. And for the love of God, I hope it's a coach who prefers an offensive, puck possession game.
- Nucker101

I do like DK's idea about Naslund as GM though. Modo is the best team in Sweden and has been for some time.