You had Hansen staring down an open net with his hands of stone ,will a better coach help that?

Raymond constant falling down and playing the perimiter no coach will change.

I can go on but you know all the faults of this offense
- VANTEL

We aren't relying on an empty netter if a different coaching staff supports the Sedins with a legit 2nd line & a different PP coach has the right guys/gameplan out there for PP1 & PP2.

As you know, on my ideal team Hansen is a very capable 4th liner and Raymond got traded at the TDL because he's a pending UFA.

This core is stale . Edler Bieksa Ballard should be moved . The new coaching staff also needs to reduce the Sedins role . As I said they spend too much time on the cycle and turns a 2 minute PP into one minute. When the teams we are playing against figure out how to cover the Sedins we are screwed. It is not hard to figure out in a 7 game series. The should start reducing their roles and start bringing in a new first line..

As Lefty said stop trying to pretend these third liners are second and first liners . Get the real deal.
- VANTEL

Wouldn't call Ballard a "core "player" even though he's being played like one. Don't see the new coaching staff reducing the Sedins on-ice roll(they might be predictable but a few small adjustments on new wrinkles can make you unpredictable again and they're recent career regular season and playoff production is still first line quality), but maybe we'll see a different leadership style where the coaching staff will probably be a bigger part of it instead of the players. Agree about the second line, guys like Higgins and Hansen are 3rd liners, Kassian isn't a top 6 forward yet but hopefully he develops into one for MG's sake. Raymond needs to go, he's become a tweener and IMO even his defensive game has regressed now and he's just not effective at all in the playoffs. IMo he'd be a nice fit out East on a team that plays a speed/transition game, I could see him fitting well with a team like NYI , WAS, TB or FLA.

Everyone is replaceable . The window has closed
- VANTEL

There's no such thing as a window. It's a false abstract notion that fans have created to evaluate a team's competitiveness.

Teams are either more or less competitive depending on the age/status of their core.

The Canucks appear to be entering a period where they'll be less competitive. That can change with a single trade, multiple trades, or the addition of players through other means.

Unexpected teams (like NJ last year) prove every year that as long as a team is competitive enough to make the playoffs, there's a chance.

Colorado already has Duchene, O'Reilly, and Stastny at center. Trading the first overall pick, Seth Jones, for another centerman when they desperately need D makes little sense.
- Michael_Stuart

Don't think he was aiming for anything realistic.

There's no such thing as a window. It's a false abstract notion that fans have created to evaluate a team's competitiveness.

Teams are either more or less competitive depending on the age/status of their core.

The Canucks appear to be entering a period where they'll be less competitive. That can change with a single trade, multiple trades, or the addition of players through other means.

Unexpected teams (like NJ last year) prove every year that as long as a team is competitive enough to make the playoffs, there's a chance.
- Fosco

Well said. Hell, just look at the team kicking our asses.

Coaches don't score goals . This team can't score . Same story year after year.
- VANTEL

I just think it's the make up of the team. The key word is team. The Canucks have never had the right group there. And until the weak links (we all know who they are) are gone, they will never win the cup. The playoffs are all about playing for the guy next you.

P.S. what has been with Bieksa lately. Normally I like his game but he has been real bad.

I am not knocking his game at all. I love Burrows but if he can fetch me the second overall and a puck moving Dman ,I am jumping on that train.
- VANTEL

He can't.

Burrows value to the team will always be more than his value in a trade.

Well said. Hell look at the team kicking our asses.
- Nucker101

Exactly.

People where saying SJ's window was closed years ago. And they haven't even made that many significant changes.

I just think it's the make up of the team. The key word is team. The Canucks have never had the right group there. And until the weak links (we all know who they are) are gone, they will never win the cup. The playoffs are all about playing for the guy next you.

P.S. what has been with Bieksa lately. Normally I like his game but he has been real bad.
- The-O-G

I think Bieksa is playing through an injury, he's miss games this year and he's been just awful at times.

Agree completely. Just look at the Ottawa Senators. They have a bunch of nobodies on their team, but they're finding a way to put the puck in the net. Get a new coaching staff, trade Edler for a top 6 winger, sign a 3rd line centre (Bozak, Cullen) and straighten out this goaltending situation.

I've been thinking about the goaltending situation a lot lately, and if management believes that Eddie Lack will be a starting goalie in a couple years, then I wouldn't be opposed to trading Schneider. This is 100% contingent on the Canucks getting back a young scoring forward, but it's worth looking at.
- hertzman

Those nobodies won a calder cup. Mixed in with the right vets and solid coaching they are doing a great job. The beauty of youth is their exuberance and cost. The Ducks won a cup because, some of their best players were on entry level contracts. Vantel makes an excellent point that the sedins could stand to have some minutes restricted-- They do a great job killing the other teams penalties. Too much perimeter and hot enough heat seeking missile.

Agree completely. Just look at the Ottawa Senators. They have a bunch of nobodies on their team, but they're finding a way to put the puck in the net. Get a new coaching staff, trade Edler for a top 6 winger, sign a 3rd line centre (Bozak, Cullen) and straighten out this goaltending situation.

I've been thinking about the goaltending situation a lot lately, and if management believes that Eddie Lack will be a starting goalie in a couple years, then I wouldn't be opposed to trading Schneider. This is 100% contingent on the Canucks getting back a young scoring forward, but it's worth looking at.
- hertzman

A bunch of Nobodys?

Ottawa would not trade Erik Karlsson for Canucks 3 best Dmen and 2 firsts

Jason Spezza better than any center on Canucks

Alfredsson has more heart and passion than all three of our Swedes combined

Chris Neal tougher than our third and fourth line combined

Milan Michalek 35 goals last year . How many 35 goal scorers did we have?

We aren't relying on an empty netter if a different coaching staff supports the Sedins with a legit 2nd line & a different PP coach has the right guys/gameplan out there for PP1 & PP2.

As you know, on my ideal team Hansen is a very capable 4th liner and Raymond got traded at the TDL because he's a pending UFA.
- DrChristianTroy

Totally agree with this. And To your Hansen point, it would be great to have a 4th line that you can actually use against the other team's top 3 lines for once come playoff time.

A bunch of Nobodys?

Ottawa would not trade Erik Karlsson for Canucks 3 best Dmen and 2 firsts

Jason Spezza better than any center on Canucks

Alfredsson has more heart and passion that all three of our Swedes combined

Chris Neal tougher than our third and fourth line combined

Milan Michalek 35 goals last year . How many 35 goal scorers did we have?
- VANTEL

Thank god for the Canucks.

Karlsson is a beast offensively, but have you seen some of his giveaways this playoffs

Makes Edler look like a defensive stalwart.

A bunch of Nobodys?

Ottawa would not trade Erik Karlsson for Canucks 3 best Dmen and 2 firsts

Jason Spezza better than any center on Canucks

Alfredsson has more heart and passion that all three of our Swedes combined

Chris Neal tougher than our third and fourth line combined

Milan Michalek 35 goals last year . How many 35 goal scorers did we have?
- VANTEL

Karlsson and Spezza basically missed the entire regular season, yet the coaching staff got the most out of what they had to work with. I think that was more of his point. And no, I don't believe that the Sens have a better roster than the Canucks, they just have way better coaching, a system that fits their strengths, a true team identity, and good chemistry.

I think Bieksa is playing through an injury, he's miss games this year and he's been just awful at times.
- Nucker101

Ya that's understandable then....it seems he has been caught in the middle and maybe a little less decisive so far. Hopefully he can find his game a bit.

Thank god for the Canucks.

Karlsson is a beast offensively, but have you seen some of his giveaways this playoffs

Makes Edler look like a defensive stalwart.
- Fosco

He did just come back off a lacerated tendon

We aren't relying on an empty netter if a different coaching staff supports the Sedins with a legit 2nd line & a different PP coach has the right guys/gameplan out there for PP1 & PP2.

As you know, on my ideal team Hansen is a very capable 4th liner and Raymond got traded at the TDL because he's a pending UFA.
- DrChristianTroy

I think Hansen on the 4th would be a waste. He's a great third liner. The Canucks just have too many 3rd liners who are playing above their role/skill-set at the moment.

With a capable 2nd line that has other team's worried, the third line is sheltered and would be more effective.

edit: guys like Neil or Torres on the 4th would be ideal.

Karlsson and Spezza basically missed the entire regular season, yet the coaching staff got the most out of what they had to work with. I think that was more of his point. And no, I don't believe that the Sens have a better roster than the Canucks, they just have way better coaching, a system that fits their strengths, a true team identity, and good chemistry.
- Nucker101

Absolutely. It's a team game. Need a melting pot, not a cultural mosaic

He did just come back off a lacerated tendon
- VANTEL

Agreed.

I was just commenting on your comment about trading the Canucks three best D and two 1st rounders for him.

Karlsson and Spezza basically missed the entire regular season, yet the coaching staff got the most out of what they had to work with. I think that was more of his point. And no, I don't believe that the Sens have a better roster than the Canucks, they just have way better coaching, a system that fits their strengths, a true team identity, and good chemistry.
- Nucker101

They are faster younger more talented IMO they are a team that can go far.

Agreed.

I was just commenting on your comment about trading the Canucks three best D and two 1st rounders for him.
- Fosco

Go on the Sens thread and ask them if they would trade Edler Hamhuis Bieksa and two firsts for Karlsson . I bet most would say no thanks .

They are faster younger more talented IMO they are a team that can go far.
- VANTEL

I don't know about that. The Sedins are two of the most talented players on the league—they have more of it than some entire rosters.

But you don't win championships with talent alone, unfortunately

I think Hansen on the 4th would be a waste. He's a great third liner. The Canucks just have too many 3rd liners who are playing above their role/skill-set at the moment.

With a capable 2nd line that has other team's worried, the third line is sheltered and would be more effective.
- Fosco

Not a waste when you have the depth to roll 4 capable lines, I know that we're all used to having a scrub 4th line, but when I look at teams that make playoff runs and win the cup, they usually have a 4th line that's played well and can actually be trusted for a regular shift. Of course you need a solid 2nd and 3rd lne before you can even think of having a player like Hansen on your 4th though. I just hope that Gillis doesn't let Lapierre walk since he's a very capable 4LC that has raised his game in the playoffs before, but I have a feeling that he might just be let go.

They are faster younger more talented IMO they are a team that can go far.
- VANTEL

I bet even Sens fans wouldn't say that they're more talented, but yes they're better coached and have a pretty smart GM and some good scouts.

Go on the Sens thread and ask them if they would trade Edler Hamhuis Bieksa and two firsts for Karlsson . I bet most would say no thanks .
- VANTEL

That's great for them.

Doesn't mean it would be a good trade for the Canucks to lose all that just for Karlsson.

Does having Karlsson but losing those three players make the Canucks a contender for next year? I don't think so. And losing the two 1sts cripples them for the future, as well.

No benefit to the Canucks.