I wouldn't mind that cap hit if the contract was a year or two shorter with a NTC, but as much as I love Burrows that contract might also come back to bit Gillis in the ass depending on how much higher the cap goes in 2-3 years. If the cap goes up quickly again and 4 million becomes the norm for second liners again the I won't mind it.
- Nucker101

Everyone is replaceable . The window has closed

You do realize that just because you are of a certain opinion it doesn't mean the majority of other people share it, right?

Nor does it make it correct.

Regardless, I doubt the Canucks or the fans care who hates them or not.
- Fosco

I'm pretty confident most people hate your team. You don't have to care, a lot of people hate the leafs and I get that - there are so many fans that we will piss you off. But win or lose, lately its been much more losing, we play an honest game and answer the bell. If you feel the canucks do the same all the power to you. Right now we are at war with Boston, there's been fighting and chippiness but no team is whining or diving, or complaining about faceoffs. Just playing hard nose hockey.

Wow... All these players you guys want shipped out. How about cementing a solid coaching staff to assess what we have, what's workable and who needs to go???

I'm pretty confident most people hate your team. You don't have to care, a lot of people hate the leafs and I get that - there are so many fans that we will piss you off. But win or lose, lately its been much more losing, we play an honest game and answer the bell. If you feel the canucks do the same all the power to you. Right now we are at war with Boston, there's been fighting and chippiness but no team is whining or diving, or complaining about faceoffs. Just playing hard nose hockey.
- clark_griswold

Show us the results of a legitimate survey or it isn't true.

I don't think Scooby is correct.

Burrows's production is still good for 4.5, and that's not even close to all he brings to the table.

One of the only guys who battles every game.
- Fosco

I am not knocking his game at all. I love Burrows but if he can fetch me the second overall and a puck moving Dman ,I am jumping on that train.

Wow... All these players you guys want shipped out. How about cementing a solid coaching staff to assess what we have, what's workable and who needs to go???
- rugdnit

Judging this group based on what AV & Bowness have done with them is like looking in a funny mirror and deciding you need plastic surgery.

Wow... All these players you guys want shipped out. How about cementing a solid coaching staff to assess what we have, what's workable and who needs to go???
- rugdnit

Coaches don't score goals . This team can't score . Same story year after year.

Show us the results of a legitimate survey or it isn't true.
- docmorgan

Yes there is no proof that the canucks are hated. You're right

Meh, not really because Kadri and Grabovski have averaged about the same ice time despite a big difference in production. A lot of Leafs fans aren't huge fans of Kostka getting 20+ mins a night either. Every fanbase is always going to have issues with some of the coach's moves, even if(when) the Canucks bring in a new coach. Not defending AV though, he needs to go.
- Nucker101

They were protecting Kadri - especially early on. Yes, he was putting up the points. But he wasn't playing in high-risk times, because they didn't want to kill his confidence. It's called good player development, and a lot of Leafs fans didn't get it, because they haven't seen it around here in 40 years.

And as weird as it sounds, Kostka was getting 20+ minutes a night because they were pairing him with Phaneuf.

Sometimes you take the weakest link and pair him with the strongest link. If you don't believe me, come watch my beer league team some time when I get stuck back on defence. I always get to play with our best d-man.

You did see the words fantasy right?

I think Edler could fetch Simmonds.

If I am Gillis I say to AVS GM name the player you want for the 1 st overall .Anyone
- VANTEL

I'm just (frank)ing with ya. Anyone expecting or even holding out hope for a total new core with half the lineup being turned over is going to be severely disappointed. I'm not saying I don't like your proposals, but I try to look at it realistically. Remember last year? I said it after the LA series that AV, Raymond, Ballard, Booth, Malhotra would all be back(I guess I was half-right about Manny). This year I'm guessing that we see an entirely new coaching staff, Gillis stays. Ballard gets bought out(I doubt he has any trade value at this point). Booth, Iis a 50/50, but I'd say that he'll be back next year(I'm not sure if teams can even use both buyouts this summer and I believe that the player being injured complicates any buyouts according to the CBA). Lu gets moved in a creative deal, where MG might just have to eat some of salary and maybe even include another decent asset as part of the trade. I'm guessing that Edler stays as well, but I'd say there's about a 15-20% chance he could maybe get moved at the draft before his NTC kicks in. No clue as to what kind of players he can bring in, and how much money he'll have to work with depending on the Luongo trade.

Coaches don't score goals . This team can't score . Same story year after year.
- VANTEL

How many of those have outright quit on AV? I don't see anyone sporting playoff tattoo's, so you cannot tell me that they have given their best.

Show us the results of a legitimate survey or it isn't true.
- docmorgan

http://www.theglobeandmai...ated-team/article2050961/

Coaches don't score goals . This team can't score . Same story year after year.
- VANTEL

That is the most horsesh!t cliché ever.

A coaching staff can prevent players from producing in a number of ways.

- no continuity in role
- no continuity in line/pairing (zero chemistry/comfort zone)
- picking & choosing of favorites
- a system that doesn't fit the talent they're given
- odd leadership structure
- poor strategic gameplans for special teams
- too much linematching & worrying about opposition

This team is experiencing ALL OF THE ABOVE (and then some) under AV & Bowness.

Wow... All these players you guys want shipped out. How about cementing a solid coaching staff to assess what we have, what's workable and who needs to go???
- rugdnit

This. I believe a new coach could help certain players. Anyone who wants or is hoping for Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, etc. to be gone isn't going to be happy this off-season. No way I move Kesler unless the return is just amazing, we need more players that go all out when it really counts, I don't give a poop about his diving and a new coach might even set him straight with those things.

They were protecting Kadri - especially early on. Yes, he was putting up the points. But he wasn't playing in high-risk times, because they didn't want to kill his confidence. It's called good player development, and a lot of Leafs fans didn't get it, because they haven't seen it around here in 40 years.

And as weird as it sounds, Kostka was getting 20+ minutes a night because they were pairing him with Phaneuf.

Sometimes you take the weakest link and pair him with the strongest link. If you don't believe me, come watch my beer league team some time when I get stuck back on defence. I always get to play with our best d-man.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fair enough, I wasn't really saying that Carlyle was at AV's level or anything, just pointing out that every fanbase always has issues with at least a couple of the coach's decision no matter what.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/canucks-have-become-nhls-most-hated-team/article2050961/
- Atomic Wedgie

Sweet justice. Again its not your franchise, it's the current group of rats you have playing for you

I'm just (frank)ing with ya. Anyone expecting or even holding out hope for a total new core with half the lineup being turned over is going to be severely disappointed. I'm not saying I don't like your proposals, but I try to look at it realistically. Remember last year? I said it after the LA series that AV, Raymond, Ballard, Booth, Malhotra would all be back(I guess I was half-right about Manny). This year I'm guessing that we see an entirely new coaching staff, Gillis stays. Ballard gets bought out(I doubt he has any trade value at this point). Booth, Iis a 50/50, but I'd say that he'll be back next year(I'm not sure if teams can even use both buyouts this summer and I believe that the player being injured complicates any buyouts according to the CBA). Lu gets moved in a creative deal, where MG might just have to eat some of salary and maybe even include another decent asset as part of the trade. I'm guessing that Edler stays as well, but I'd say there's about a 15-20% chance he could maybe get moved at the draft before his NTC kicks in. No clue as to what kind of players he can bring in, and how much money he'll have to work with depending on the Luongo trade.
- Nucker101

My guess is waivers. Florida will then have first rights, and if you like Lu, you can hope and pray the Panthers like the idea of Lu for the low, low price of $0.00.

Sweet justice. Again its not your franchise, it's the current group of rats you have playing for you
- clark_griswold

Yeah, um, you may want to be careful what you say on this subject, my Leafy friend:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2...st-hated-team-in-the-nhl/

That is the most horsesh!t cliché ever.

A coaching staff can prevent players from producing in a number of ways.

- no continuity in role
- no continuity in line/pairing (zero chemistry/comfort zone)
- picking & choosing of favorites
- a system that doesn't fit the talent they're given
- odd leadership structure
- poor strategic gameplans for special teams
- too much linematching & worrying about opposition

This team is experiencing ALL OF THE ABOVE (and then some) under AV & Bowness.
- DrChristianTroy

Agreed. Players are definitely an issue too, but when you look at this lineup and all the forwards recent years production then there clearly are some major issues with coaching and leadership from the players and coaching. Also Gillis needs to go back to making the decisions by himself and not let AV(or the new coach) become the coach and GM of the team. This core group just isn't going to win games by playing a defensive, "gritty" style of 2-1 hockey games.

My guess is waivers. Florida will then have first rights, and if you like Lu, you can hope and pray the Panthers like the idea of Lu for the low, low price of $0.00.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd be totally fine with that, in fact I'd be happy with it.

I'm just (frank)ing with ya. Anyone expecting or even holding out hope for a total new core with half the lineup being turned over is going to be severely disappointed. I'm not saying I don't like your proposals, but I try to look at it realistically. Remember last year? I said it after the LA series that AV, Raymond, Ballard, Booth, Malhotra would all be back(I guess I was half-right about Manny). This year I'm guessing that we see an entirely new coaching staff, Gillis stays. Ballard gets bought out(I doubt he has any trade value at this point). Booth, Iis a 50/50, but I'd say that he'll be back next year(I'm not sure if teams can even use both buyouts this summer and I believe that the player being injured complicates any buyouts according to the CBA). Lu gets moved in a creative deal, where MG might just have to eat some of salary and maybe even include another decent asset as part of the trade. I'm guessing that Edler stays as well, but I'd say there's about a 15-20% chance he could maybe get moved at the draft before his NTC kicks in. No clue as to what kind of players he can bring in, and how much money he'll have to work with depending on the Luongo trade.
- Nucker101

This core is stale . Edler Bieksa Ballard should be moved . The new coaching staff also needs to reduce the Sedins role . As I said they spend too much time on the cycle and turns a 2 minute PP into one minute. When the teams we are playing against figure out how to cover the Sedins we are screwed. It is not hard to figure out in a 7 game series. The should start reducing their roles and start bringing in a new first line..

As Lefty said stop trying to pretend these third liners are second and first liners . Get the real deal.

That is the most horsesh!t cliché ever.

A coaching staff can prevent players from producing in a number of ways.

- no continuity in role
- no continuity in line/pairing (zero chemistry/comfort zone)
- picking & choosing of favorites
- a system that doesn't fit the talent they're given
- odd leadership structure
- poor strategic gameplans for special teams
- too much linematching & worrying about opposition

This team is experiencing ALL OF THE ABOVE (and then some) under AV & Bowness.
- DrChristianTroy

You had Hansen staring down an open net with his hands of stone ,will a better coach help that?

Raymond constant falling down and playing the perimiter no coach will change.

I can go on but you know all the faults of this offense

I'm pretty confident most people hate your team. You don't have to care, a lot of people hate the leafs and I get that - there are so many fans that we will piss you off. But win or lose, lately its been much more losing, we play an honest game and answer the bell. If you feel the canucks do the same all the power to you. Right now we are at war with Boston, there's been fighting and chippiness but no team is whiningor diving, or complaining about faceoffs. Just playing hard nose hockey.
- clark_griswold

Have there been any dives called in the Van/SJ series?

AV is the only one complaining about FO's—none of us consider him a Canuck.

That is the most horsesh!t cliché ever.

A coaching staff can prevent players from producing in a number of ways.

- no continuity in role
- no continuity in line/pairing (zero chemistry/comfort zone)
- picking & choosing of favorites
- a system that doesn't fit the talent they're given
- odd leadership structure
- poor strategic gameplans for special teams
- too much linematching & worrying about opposition

This team is experiencing ALL OF THE ABOVE (and then some) under AV & Bowness.
- DrChristianTroy

Agree completely. Just look at the Ottawa Senators. They have a bunch of nobodies on their team, but they're finding a way to put the puck in the net. Get a new coaching staff, trade Edler for a top 6 winger, sign a 3rd line centre (Bozak, Cullen) and straighten out this goaltending situation.

I've been thinking about the goaltending situation a lot lately, and if management believes that Eddie Lack will be a starting goalie in a couple years, then I wouldn't be opposed to trading Schneider. This is 100% contingent on the Canucks getting back a young scoring forward, but it's worth looking at.

Thank goodness for realignment next year. Maybe we'll get a better indication of where the Canucks actually slot in