You're outta your mind pal. Another Vancouver fan with the thought pattern that others value the crap that they have, that's gotten THEM nothing. No thank You!
- PanthersGoal

Holy sh!t. If you think Schneider and Edler are crap then have fun coming in last every season. Mercifully Tallon probably has better judgement.

Edler and Schneider are crap?

Yeah, ok...
- Fosco

Why do you think you're gonna fleece young talent from Tallon when basically the Panthers need to get healthy and secure a good #1 center. That's why you're outta your mind. We don't need Schneider, it's Markstroms job. Bjugstad goes nowhere.

Agree there's been mismanagement in some areas, but complete? The team made it to the Stanley Cup Finals and won back to back President's Trophies. They did everything except win a Cup. That's pretty good management. The problem is that they were managed and built to "win now." It looks as if their window is pretty much closed so they are going through what almost every single other NHL team goes through after a sustained time of being an elite team. What is happening here is not unique. Teams are average, then good, then elite. Some win a Cup during that time, some don't. After that it becomes a steady decline and then the cycle starts itself over again. Other than Detroit there aren't many other teams that can sustain a prolonged period of being one of the league's best teams. No GM is immune to bad contracts. The Canucks had their chance, now begins the decline.
- hankthetank

I respectfully disagree.

Between Vancouver's goalie controversy; The huge cap issues heading into next season; Renewing a coach that the players have drifted from; Failing to add the right pieces to take Vancouver over the top (Roy and Garrison don't quite cut it!), I would say that Gillis has done a terrible job since reaching the cup, two years ago.

Like you say, Van was in win mode NOW and NEXT TO NOTHING was done to improve this team over the past couple seasons.

The proverbial ball was dropped a few times in multiple areas.

Burke originally signed Burrows...

You obviously have never watched Burrows play—he's not in Lapierre's category. He busts his ass every shift, puts up solid numbers no matter who he's on a line with, and is an extremely versatile player.

Sure, he's chippy, but GM's like players like that.
- Fosco

Signed him yes, but wouldn't have allowed him to become the clown he is. Even kadri has been a bit of a clown and our organization put him in his place quick. Point is, burrows would have been ripped hard if he pulled some of the biting garbage he did. Darcy tucker is an example. He's a pest, but he backed it up . Burrows crossed the line too many times and no one said anything to him - that wouldn't happen under burke.

Why do you think you're gonna fleece young talent from Tallon when basically the Panthers need to get healthy and secure a good #1 center. That's why you're outta your mind. We don't need Schneider, it's Markstroms job. Bjugstad goes nowhere.
- PanthersGoal

It was just a simple proposal.

A proposal in which you're getting an all star D who has a nearly .60 point/game average over the last 4 seasons, hits, and blocks shots, as well as a goalie who has been near the top of almost every statistical category the last two seasons...

Both are also only 26/27 and are signed to good contracts.

Established players > picks/prospects.

A simple "doesn't suit the Panthers current needs" would have sufficed.

Signed him yes, but wouldn't have allowed him to become the clown he is. Even kadri has been a bit of a clown and our organization put him in his place quick. Point is, burrows would have been ripped hard if he pulled some of the biting garbage he did. Darcy tucker is an example. He's a pest, but he backed it up . Burrows crossed the line too many times and no one said anything to him - that wouldn't happen under burke.
- clark_griswold

You don't know what you're talking about.

I respectfully disagree.

Between Vancouver's goalie controversy; The huge cap issues heading into next season; Renewing a coach that the players have drifted from; Failing to add the right pieces to take Vancouver over the top (Roy and Garrison don't quite cut it!), I would say that Gillis has done a terrible job since reaching the cup, two years ago.

Like you say, Van was in win mode NOW and NEXT TO NOTHING was done to improve this team over the past couple seasons.

The proverbial ball was dropped a few times in multiple areas.
- As_I_See_It

Roy has been less then stellar, but Garrison after a slow start has been one of the Canucks best D men. Once AV gets canned and Gillis has major heat put on him (or fired) I expect some signifigant moves this summer by the team.

It was just a simple proposal.

A proposal in which you're getting an all star D who has a nearly .60 point/game average over the last 4 seasons, hits, and blocks shots, as well as a goalie who has been near the top of almost every statistical category the last two seasons...

Both are also only 26/27 and are signed to good contracts.

Established players > picks/prospects.

A simple "doesn't suit the Panthers current needs" would have sufficed.
- Fosco

Wow, those guys sound great! You should hold on to them.

I respectfully disagree.

Between Vancouver's goalie controversy; The huge cap issues heading into next season; Renewing a coach that the players have drifted from; Failing to add the right pieces to take Vancouver over the top (Roy and Garrison don't quite cut it!), I would say that Gillis has done a terrible job since reaching the cup, two years ago.

Like you say, Van was in win mode NOW and NEXT TO NOTHING was done to improve this team over the past couple seasons.

The proverbial ball was dropped a few times in multiple areas.
- As_I_See_It

Garrison has been the Canucks best D this season.

Roy looked good at first, but yes, wasn't nearly enough to make the Canucks a threat in the west. At least it only cost a 2nd.

Wow, those guys sound great! You should hold on to them.
- PanthersGoal

I want to

It was just one fan's proposal.

The Canucks need scoring, and already have too many LHD, and since Edler is the only one without a NTC, he gets put in most proposals.

It was just a proposal. No need for the vitriol.

I want to

It was just one fan's proposal.

The Canucks need scoring, and already have too many LHD, and since Edler is the only one without a NTC, he gets put in most proposals.

It was just a proposal. No need for the vitriol.
- Fosco

This and the emergence of Corrado and Tanev. Sorry Fosco but I see Edler playing in Philly next year.

Why do you think you're gonna fleece young talent from Tallon when basically the Panthers need to get healthy and secure a good #1 center. That's why you're outta your mind. We don't need Schneider, it's Markstroms job. Bjugstad goes nowhere.
- PanthersGoal

Guys, Bjugstad is basically Taylor Pyatt. Let the Panthers keep their fridge NHLer.

This and the emergence of Corrado and Tanev. Sorry Fosco but I see Edler playing in Philly next year.
- fiveandagame

That would be one of the likely destinations if he gets traded. I still think it's more likely he doesn't.

Roy has been less then stellar, but Garrison after a slow start has been one of the Canucks best D men. Once AV gets canned and Gillis has major heat put on him (or fired) I expect some signifigant moves this summer by the team.
- fiveandagame

I agree about Garrison, but again, not nearly enough brought in by Gillis.

I know the Canucks love the Sedins, but I have a feeling that Vancouver will treat their situation very much like Calgary did with Iginla... Hold on to them for too long.

Just think what the Sedins could fetch in terms of "rebuild" if they were dealt at the trade deadline.

You don't know what you're talking about.
- Fosco

good comeback

I agree about Garrison, but again, not nearly enough brought in by Gillis.

I know the Canucks love the Sedins, but I have a feeling that Vancouver will treat their situation very much like Calgary did with Iginla... Hold on to them for too long.

Just think what the Sedins could fetch in terms of "rebuild" if they were dealt at the trade deadline.
- As_I_See_It

Only if they ask for a trade.

I'd prefer they retire Canucks, even if it means a slower re-tool.

good comeback
- clark_griswold

It's really all that needed to be said. It wasn't a comeback—I'm not trying to insult you.

You don't know Burke, so you can't say what his thought process is. And you clearly haven't watched enough of Burrows.

You don't know what you're talking about...

Only if they ask for a trade.

I'd prefer they retire Canucks, even if it means a slower re-tool.
- Fosco

Of course, that, or were asked...

I want to

It was just one fan's proposal.

The Canucks need scoring, and already have too many LHD, and since Edler is the only one without a NTC, he gets put in most proposals.

It was just a proposal. No need for the vitriol.
- Fosco

What's your take on Edler's step back? Looks like his conditioning and skating (of all things) have gotten worse... He's also overthinking every move he makes (understandable considering the fact that he is put on a different side with a new partner several times per game).

I still think $5/per (in the current market) is great value for what he's capable of doing, and moving him before giving this team some stability/direction (via a new coaching staff) would be a mistake.

Roy has been less then stellar, but Garrison after a slow start has been one of the Canucks best D men. Once AV gets canned and Gillis has major heat put on him (or fired) I expect some signifigant moves this summer by the team.
- fiveandagame

Agreed. Roy is decent but not worth a $4m contract. Garrison has been misused more often than I'd care to comment on. The fact that he, with his shot, wasn't even out there on a 4-on-3 is nuts.

Only if they ask for a trade.

I'd prefer they retire Canucks, even if it means a slower re-tool.
- Fosco

Agreed here too but I think every offer should be heard out before being canned outright. That said, I'd like to see the GM (MG or otherwise) transition the Sedins to 2nd liners as soon as possible. How that's done is a different conversation and one that we may have touched on with a return for Schneids and Edler.

I agree about Garrison, but again, not nearly enough brought in by Gillis.

I know the Canucks love the Sedins, but I have a feeling that Vancouver will treat their situation very much like Calgary did with Iginla... Hold on to them for too long.

Just think what the Sedins could fetch in terms of "rebuild" if they were dealt at the trade deadline.
- As_I_See_It

Absolutely correct. The main issue with a Sedin trade is obviously you are trading both of them. Unless you get two players with high salary back, it would be very difficult to pull off that trade off due to the cap issues. The Nucks need a player other than Kesler who can take over a playoff series. It seems like everyone is willing to throw the secondary scorers under the bus but very few hold the Sedins feet to the fire. Everyone talks about the great performance put on by Kesler against the Preds a couple of years ago - just like towards the end of game 2 against the Sharks. Funny though, I do not remember the Sedins taking over a series with their offensive play. They can not be expected to hit or play D the way Kesler can but come on, they have to do something!

Agreed here too but I think every offer should be heard out before being canned outright. That said, I'd like to see the GM (MG or otherwise) transition the Sedins to 2nd liners as soon as possible. How that's done is a different conversation and one that we may have touched on with a return for Schneids and Edler.
- AlexF

How about we support the Sedins with a legitimate 2nd line before concluding that they're no longer 1st liners?

What's your take on Edler's step back? Looks like his conditioning and skating (of all things) have gotten worse... He's also overthinking every move he makes (understandable considering the fact that he is put on a different side with a new partner several times per game).

I still think $5/per (in the current market) is great value for what he's capable of doing, and moving him before giving this team some stability/direction (via a new coaching staff) would be a mistake.
- DrChristianTroy

I think there's a few issues—a couple which you've already pointed out, included.

No real training camp and having to come back from an injury played a part.

But I think one of the real problems is that he's been horribly mis-coached this season.

-Failure to find/recognize a good partner for him. He's clearly looked the best with Tanev and Corrado this season, yet neither of those pairing stuck.

Also, when he was originally tried with Garrison, it was Edler switched to his off-side rather than Garrison—why the hell would a coach switch his newly re-signed big-ticket "potential" number 1 defenceman on his off-side? This would also give the opportunity to re-unite Hamhuis and Bieksa, which is a proven, solid pairing.

-Too much responsibility for a player who hasn't had a steady partner for the larger part of the year.

Edler has been getting the most TOI this season and hasn't deserved it. The coaches shouldn't be feeding top minutes a player who is struggling with consistency.

First two games Edler has averaged close to 28 and 29 minutes per game, which is quite a bit more than the next closest guy. It's too much for a struggling player.

That being said, Edler in a bad year has still led the D in a number of categories, and had some stretches of consistent play.

Just hope he can return to the player he was two and three years ago, because he was a complete D then.

It's really all that needed to be said. It wasn't a comeback—I'm not trying to insult you.

You don't know Burke, so you can't say what his thought process is. And you clearly haven't watched enough of Burrows.

You don't know what you're talking about...
- Fosco

Actually burke is very outspoken, so you know what he is thinking. He has called out several players, and doesn't stand for garbage like that. Burrows can play yes, and there are some pests that don't cross the line. Burrows is a complete joke, lapiere is worse. Prust, komarov, tucker are examples of pests who still play respectful. Lapiere and burrows are just embarassments. The worst part is they were so cocky like they had already won the cup and would win for the next 3 years, now they just look like d-bags. Again, i like the vancouver franchise, i dont' know how these tools are still in your lineup. Subban is another example, yelling at pacioretty? Complete joke. If you can't see the difference between a pest and a farce, i can't change your mind.