http://www.philly.com/phi...rating_Flyers_season.html

here's just some of the things that bugged me.

"I don't want this to sound like excuses because all teams had a shortened schedule and just a one-week training camp," Snider said. "Some teams did well
- the deaninator[the previous season] and were happy with their system. We got knocked out by New Jersey in the second round, and New Jersey dominated, and I think the coach wanted to tweak the system."


"Paul's overall performance is outstanding," said Snider, giving Holmgren a mulligan for this year, a pronouncement that will bring grief to the countless tweeters who want a new general manager.

meh, the one I laughed at was the running into the crazy finnish goalie against Chicago in the SCF's as to the reason why they lost. Yes hes delusional

what is it going to take to acquire, through trade and then what will the fa's demand. I'm pretty sure Luongo is going to be somewhere around what Bryzgalov is now, which makes it virtually a lateral move. Emery is just about due for another long term injury and as for backstrom he's another injury risk. I think you're selling Bryzgalov a tad short, after all he was mostly average on a bad team all year. I admit I'm more comfortable moving away from him with the emergence of Mason, but how real was that flash in the pan? You keep comparing Bryzgalov to Biron and I agree to an extent however, its mostly cause bryzgalov plays down, on the other hand I don't really remember Biron playing up a notch like Bryzgalov can. I don't see how waiting another year to pull the trigger will hurt all that bad.
- JoeRussomanno

Yeah, this is pretty much my thinking as well.

Stalberg and Rozsival blow
- keatondixon

Well their consistently in the lineup for the best team in the league. So theres that. I basically want to give up on Mez and free the cap room to bring a stopgap in, trade him for a 2nd.

I don't think mez is a trade option at all. that shoulder is a chronic problem and his recovery took 6 mos last time.
- isaiah520

And Gardiner has been a healthy scratch for toronto all this season so he's worth virtually nothing for them either. Plus, they need good dmen desperately, and Mez, when healthy, has the skill set to be a good dman.

And Gardiner has been a healthy scratch for toronto all this season so he's worth virtually nothing for them either. Plus, they need good dmen desperately, and Mez, when healthy, has the skill set to be a good dman.
- JAKEw1234

cant see anyone trading for Mezz?

And Gardiner has been a healthy scratch for toronto all this season so he's worth virtually nothing for them either. Plus, they need good dmen desperately, and Mez, when healthy, has the skill set to be a good dman.
- JAKEw1234

I think they retain him. He might not leave the lineup now. Hes only what 22? He's going to be a good one and Mez alone will not fetch him IMO

what is it going to take to acquire, through trade and then what will the fa's demand. I'm pretty sure Luongo is going to be somewhere around what Bryzgalov is now, which makes it virtually a lateral move. Emery is just about due for another long term injury and as for backstrom he's another injury risk. I think you're selling Bryzgalov a tad short, after all he was mostly average on a bad team all year. I admit I'm more comfortable moving away from him with the emergence of Mason, but how real was that flash in the pan? You keep comparing Bryzgalov to Biron and I agree to an extent however, its mostly cause bryzgalov plays down, on the other hand I don't really remember Biron playing up a notch like Bryzgalov can. I don't see how waiting another year to pull the trigger will hurt all that bad.
- JoeRussomanno

biron stole the MTL series on our way to the ECF, so that's one significant example.

I'm ok w/ keeping bryz if the alternatives aren't up to snuff, but i feel a buyout is inevitable. that's my premise and it could be wrong. clearly, bryz has not been worth it so i look at the mktplace and i make an assessment.

the other thing that moves me toward this direction is how bryz's approach has effected his play and perhaps, his team's. for him to stand there and say, essentially, 'I read you're articles and they affect me', is very strange. what plyr at this stage of his career would even go there? say they ask silly questions is one thing, but...

when Kevin woodley from in-goal mag says the teammate issues have been there since his AHL days, i wonder if the exit interviews are going to move the needle more towards a buyout. ultimately, you have to wonder, did we really solve our goaltending problems w/ this contract and are another 7 yrs going to prove fruitful for the org? my answer to that is a definite no.

one more yr won't kill us, i agree, but if the alternatives are appealing this off season, why gamble that they'll be as appealing nxt yr when our hand will be forced by the amnesty deadline?

anyone else get more than a little discouraged at snider's comments on this train wreck of a season?
- the deaninator

they were a little strange, but it could be because some of the things he said earlier might have reflected a different mindset. iow, they could be re-thinking some things. i did find the Gus and mason love to be grasping however.

Flyers could have claimed Ellerby and Redden and Eaton was available?

And Gardiner has been a healthy scratch for toronto all this season so he's worth virtually nothing for them either. Plus, they need good dmen desperately, and Mez, when healthy, has the skill set to be a good dman.
- JAKEw1234

they're not going to trade for an injured player. your proposal of gardiner - who played last nite, btw - for read is not outlandish given the dearth of promising young dmen, but mez will not be part of the equation.

Flyers could have claimed Ellerby and Redden and Eaton was available?
- vejim

barry, that hockey genius , has been calling him Helen kellerby

I think they retain him. He might not leave the lineup now. Hes only what 22? He's going to be a good one and Mez alone will not fetch him IMO
- Just5

Well they nearly did the same thing to Luke Schenn last season. The coaching staff and fans hate him there, just as they did Schenn. If they cared so much to develop him he'd be in the AHL, not a healthy scratch.

they're not going to trade for an injured player. your proposal of gardiner - who played last nite, btw - for read is not outlandish given the dearth of promising young dmen, but mez will not be part of the equation.
- isaiah520

You're most likely correct on that, although toronto really does need good top 4 dmen.

http://www.philly.com/phi...rating_Flyers_season.html

here's just some of the things that bugged me.

"I don't want this to sound like excuses because all teams had a shortened schedule and just a one-week training camp," Snider said. "Some teams did well
- the deaninator[the previous season] and were happy with their system. We got knocked out by New Jersey in the second round, and New Jersey dominated, and I think the coach wanted to tweak the system."


"Paul's overall performance is outstanding," said Snider, giving Holmgren a mulligan for this year, a pronouncement that will bring grief to the countless tweeters who want a new general manager.

coming from snyder? honestly none of that really bothers me. i'd be a little ticked if holmgren was the one expressing complacency. but the owner not feeling like he needs to weigh in at all isn't exactly a bad thing, imo

i'll admit that i feel that way because i am definitely not among the "countless [...] twe(ak)ers who want a new general manager"

Well their consistently in the lineup for the best team in the league. So theres that. I basically want to give up on Mez and free the cap room to bring a stopgap in, trade him for a 2nd.
- Just5

at this point i'd be stunned if a meszaros trade brought back a 2nd round pick

i feel like if the flyers part ways with him this summer it's going to be a total salary dump

coming from snyder? honestly none of that really bothers me. i'd be a little ticked if holmgren was the one expressing complacency. but the owner not feeling like he needs to weigh in at all isn't exactly a bad thing, imo

i'll admit that i feel that way because i am definitely not among the "countless
- FlyerMike18[...] twe(ak)ers who want a new general manager"

A new GM would only hurt us. Homer is a really good, creative, intelligent, draft savvy GM. One of the top 5 in the league, imo. He has a good ability to weigh in on what is best for the team short term, and what is best long term, and has a way of making moves out of left field that no one saw coming, but that were in fact better than any trade someone had tried to predict. (Richards, carter trade [literally multiplied the skill and trade value we have to work with]; Pronger trade; up to this point Mason trade; JVR trade). I don't think there's a GM we could hire that's better than him.

What is everyone's opinion on Gonchar? Hes old but he is also an experienced puckmover and personally I wouldnt mind him coming on a one year deal

Also, Homer did what he could to get that #1 defenseman. He brought in Pronger then last season he tried both Weber and Suter. He knows what the issues on this team are and its only a matter of time before he finds the situation where he can address them

at this point i'd be stunned if a meszaros trade brought back a 2nd round pick

i feel like if the flyers part ways with him this summer it's going to be a total salary dump
- FlyerMike18

Well their consistently in the lineup for the best team in the league. So theres that. I basically want to give up on Mez and free the cap room to bring a stopgap in, trade him for a 2nd.
- Just5

This is the 1500th time you have said you don't want Mez. We get it.

they're not going to trade for an injured player. your proposal of gardiner - who played last nite, btw - for read is not outlandish given the dearth of promising young dmen, but mez will not be part of the equation.
- isaiah520

Did you see Gardiner play last night.
Good on offense.
Atrocious on defence.

A new GM would only hurt us. Homer is a really good, creative, intelligent, draft savvy GM. One of the top 5 in the league, imo. He has a good ability to weigh in on what is best for the team short term, and what is best long term, and has a way of making moves out of left field that no one saw coming, but that were in fact better than any trade someone had tried to predict. (Richards, carter trade
- JAKEw1234[literally multiplied the skill and trade value we have to work with]; Pronger trade; up to this point Mason trade; JVR trade). I don't think there's a GM we could hire that's better than him.

A new GM wouldn't hurt us if they bring the draft & develop approach which Homer & the Flyers don't seem to grasp the concept of too well.

Did you see Gardiner play last night.
Good on offense.
Atrocious on defence.
- strongsupporter

That's why the Leafs haven''t used him as often as some want to see, he D needs some serious work.

Do people seriously want Clarkson on this team?

Do people seriously want Clarkson on this team?
- hereticpride

I would if we didn't already have 2 similar forwards like him. Already having those 2 long term I don't see it as a primary need right now.

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Check 'em. almost 2 mil left over without Prongers LTIR relief. Mez traded for Gardiner, 1% salary retained, could go higher to appeal to Toronto. Briere bought out. Clarkson signed for 4.5 mil, meaning at all times we have one of Hartnell, Simmonds, Clarkson, and Rinaldo out there. Oh my. Bryz hangs out for another season. "Competition brings out the best in people" quote via Peter Laviolette.
- JAKEw1234

Good, someone will be driving me nuts at all times.