Having never been in the room, I couldn't tell you, but AV talks about the "leadership group". I would bet Kesler, Hamhuis, Luongo, Daniel, Henrik previously Manny. I'm not suggesting that these are necessarily the guys to get the job done, only that I disagree that the Captain has to do it all in order to be effective as a leader. I think a captain has to be consistent, which you could certainly criticize Henrik for.
- 1970vintage

Fair enough


Lu finally grew up . Two years ago he ws a floppeer and diver.

Hank . I liked last year playoff but still have the image of him hurrying off the ice when the brawl started on the morning game against Boston

Daniel images of Bolland and Marchand

Hamhuis ,I have no idea how he leads ,like you said I am not in the room

I think Burrows Lappy and Bieksa are your playoff leaders.

Agree with Manny

We're obviously not privy to locker room talk before they get on the ice but I'd be extremely surprised if the vets weren't giving pep talks after the coach has said his piece. Whether those vets are banging the lockers with their sticks or giving Viking war cries is a different story. Not sure if that is entirely needed since it's the vets themselves that need to step up. Corrado looks calm as still water and Kassian probably needs less blood rushing to his head at times. If Schneider really does have mono (per Scooby) then all he needs to be told is stop getting with daggy chicks.
- AlexF

Like I said I like our future Gaunce Schneids Kassian Jensen Schroeder Lain Fankie C and Tanev , I do have issues with our present team

I also really like Garrison and Hansen

I would take any one or two core players to try to entice the Avs to give up the number 1

Fair enough


Lu finally grew up . Two years ago he ws a floppeer and diver.

Hank . I liked last year playoff but still have the image of him hurrying off the ice when the brawl started on the morning game against Boston

Daniel images of Bolland and Marchand

Hamhuis ,I have no idea how he leads ,like you said I am not in the room

I think Burrows Lappy and Bieksa are your playoff leaders.

Agree with Manny
- VANTEL

You're probably right, those are some guys that seem to be able to elevate their play. When I say I don't think a captain needs to "fight" to be effective as a leader, I also don't think that standing there and getting punched in the face, or running from a scrum is the way to go either. There has to be some middle ground. For instance, Linden wasn't exactly a fighter, although he never shied away from an altercation, and Bure wasn't big, but he would deliver a nasty elbow if you tried to take liberties with him. So yes, I would like to see a little more nasty in the playoffs, but I don't believe that your captain has to hit/crash/bang/fight to be effective. The Canucks captain has to score, or set guys up to score, no matter the opposition.

I feel like I've talked myself in a circle, did I contradict myself?

You're probably right, those are some guys that seem to be able to elevate their play. When I say I don't think a captain needs to "fight" to be effective as a leader, I also don't think that standing there and getting punched in the face, or running from a scrum is the way to go either. There has to be some middle ground. For instance, Linden wasn't exactly a fighter, although he never shied away from an altercation, and Bure wasn't big, but he would deliver a nasty elbow if you tried to take liberties with him. So yes, I would like to see a little more nasty in the playoffs, but I don't believe that your captain has to hit/crash/bang/fight to be effective. The Canucks captain has to score, or set guys up to score, no matter the opposition.

I feel like I've talked myself in a circle, did I contradict myself?
- 1970vintage

You are right Linden never shied away and left the team standing their by them selves. Some players on this existing team have.

IMO Hank has to do everything . He is the captain .He should been all over Daniel for not shooting and tell him do that again and you won't see a pass for another two games. He has to go into the battles he needs to get bloodied and he has to score big goals . That is what SC captains do .

You're probably right, those are some guys that seem to be able to elevate their play. When I say I don't think a captain needs to "fight" to be effective as a leader, I also don't think that standing there and getting punched in the face, or running from a scrum is the way to go either. There has to be some middle ground. For instance, Linden wasn't exactly a fighter, although he never shied away from an altercation, and Bure wasn't big, but he would deliver a nasty elbow if you tried to take liberties with him. So yes, I would like to see a little more nasty in the playoffs, but I don't believe that your captain has to hit/crash/bang/fight to be effective. The Canucks captain has to score, or set guys up to score, no matter the opposition.

I feel like I've talked myself in a circle, did I contradict myself?
- 1970vintage

Totally agree. As a man, I'm not sure how you don't retaliate when a little rat is jabbing your face for fun.

Totally agree. As a man, I'm not sure how you don't retaliate when a little rat is jabbing your face for fun.
- AlexF

I understand why Daniel didn't retialiate for the first 3 punches he was waiting to draw the penalty . After the third punch when the ref was doing nothing he should have dropped the gloves and hammerd the snot out of the rat

You're probably right, those are some guys that seem to be able to elevate their play. When I say I don't think a captain needs to "fight" to be effective as a leader, I also don't think that standing there and getting punched in the face, or running from a scrum is the way to go either. There has to be some middle ground. For instance, Linden wasn't exactly a fighter, although he never shied away from an altercation, and Bure wasn't big, but he would deliver a nasty elbow if you tried to take liberties with him. So yes, I would like to see a little more nasty in the playoffs, but I don't believe that your captain has to hit/crash/bang/fight to be effective. The Canucks captain has to score, or set guys up to score, no matter the opposition.

I feel like I've talked myself in a circle, did I contradict myself?
- 1970vintage

I think you're absolutely right. Look at guys like Sakic, Zetterberg, Gretzky, Lemieux etc. None of them were ever considered to be 'tough' or personified as the stereotypical 'warrior'; however, they led their team with consistent effort (ok, perhaps other than Lexmieux some nights), talent, tenacity and a winning mentality.

I understand why Daniel didn't retialiate for the first 3 punches he was waiting to draw the penalty . After the third punch when the ref was doing nothing he should have dropped the gloves and hammerd the snot out of the rat
- VANTEL

I was thinking a helmet head but. It's not like he deserves the respect of dropping the gloves. Of course that would have seen Daniel serving a suspension that would've just ended.

I think you're absolutely right. Look at guys like Sakic, Zetterberg, Gretzky, Lemieux etc. None of them were ever considered to be 'tough' or personified as the stereotypical 'warrior'; however, they led their team with consistent effort (ok, perhaps other than Lexmieux some nights), talent, tenacity and a winning mentality.
- Zogg

Those guys all led on the ice by scoring. Score goals, put up points, and that's all the wind your team needs behind their backs.

I think you're absolutely right. Look at guys like Sakic, Zetterberg, Gretzky, Lemieux etc. None of them were ever considered to be 'tough' or personified as the stereotypical 'warrior'; however, they led their team with consistent effort (ok, perhaps other than Lexmieux some nights), talent, tenacity and a winning mentality.
- Zogg

Yeah but we had a team of guys like that Sedins Edler Ehrhoff Raymond . That is 5 players on your top two lines and D pairing

If I go see Stars on Ice ,then they are the guys I want to see , my playoff team, not so much

Isles up 4-3!

I think you're absolutely right. Look at guys like Sakic, Zetterberg, Gretzky, Lemieux etc. None of them were ever considered to be 'tough' or personified as the stereotypical 'warrior'; however, they led their team with consistent effort (ok, perhaps other than Lexmieux some nights), talent, tenacity and a winning mentality.
- Zogg

Gretzky has Semenko and McSorely ,he never had to be tough

Those guys all led on the ice by scoring. Score goals, put up points, and that's all the wind your team needs behind their backs.
- AlexF

Precisely, I agree that the Sedins have to do what they do well, and that is score goals/get points (which they are not doing obviously). My point was, as Vintage said, you don't have to be a 'warrior' to be a captain but your 'heart'/leadership are defined by the contribution you make or the fact you make your team better.

Gretzky has Semenko and McSorely ,he never had to be tough
- VANTEL

True enough, put your hands up all those that just LOVE the instigator rule *crickets*

Precisely, I agree that the Sedins have to do what they do well, and that is score goals/get points (which they are not doing obviously). My point was, as Vintage said, you don't have to be a 'warrior' to be a captain but your 'heart'/leadership are defined by the contribution you make or the fact you make your team better.
- Zogg

I think Hank has been trying to be the warrior and I give him credit. Can you imagine what a mood changer it would be if he fought Thorton? I think we could plan the parade.

Isles up 4-3!
- AlexF

Islanders win....

Sedins in my playoff pool, no Sharks. Score some fvcking goals tonight!

Is the anthem singer drunk?

I think Hank has been trying to be the warrior and I give him credit. Can you imagine what a mood changer it would be if he fought Thorton? I think we could plan the parade.
- VANTEL

Now THAT would be something! and yes, you can't argue Hank's efforts - he's actually been making a few decent hits

Is the anthem singer drunk?
- Bieksa#3

Maybe. It's Jim Byrnes.

Met him backstage at VI music fest a few years back—left with some pretty sweet trim that was much younger than him.

Meh, where is it written that the guys have to "follow the 'C' into battle"? There are plenty of other leaders on the team, with very different leadership qualities. There is no reason that the guys couldn't follow one of them into battle.

And for the record, I hate using the military as an analogy for sports, the guys on the ice are pansies compared to the men and women who actually put their lives on the line. I'm not pointing a finger at you specifically, just a general comment, the media is terrible for this.


- 1970vintage

Agree to disagree.

... and "following someone into battle" isn't purely a military reference as far as I'm concerned.

Garbage. That's a penalty, yet nothing for Couture for his two cross-checks after the puck was gone to Henrik's head while he's lying on the ice

Maybe. It's Jim Byrnes.

Met him backstage at VI music fest a few years back—left with some pretty sweet trim that was much younger than him.
- Fosco

'sweet trim' such language, Fosco

(pssst, who doesn't like the 'trimmed' look, yes )

Garbage. That's a penalty, yet nothing for Couture for his two cross-checks after the puck was gone to Henrik's head while he's lying on the ice
- Fosco

@#$@# brutal call - god damn zebras

Garbage. That's a penalty, yet nothing for Couture for his two cross-checks after the puck was gone to Henrik's head while he's lying on the ice
- Fosco

Exactly. Still a dumb penalty but a little common sense from or zebra friends would be nice