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coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:10 PM ET
I just asked on the board about a week or so ago if Read, Ghost, 2013 1st would be a good trade and Flyers fans said no thats not a good deal for the Flyers, and St. Louis fans thought they won that deal
- FLYERSROCK!

For who? JBO? Too much IMHO. See post above.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:10 PM ET
my new custom made brian's gear is being shipped today. so excited. helping me get over missing the playoffs.
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:11 PM ET
For who? JBO? Too much IMHO. See post above.
- coffee junkie

Shattenkirk
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:11 PM ET
my new custom made brian's gear is being shipped today. so excited. helping me get over missing the playoffs.
- hammarby31



FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:11 PM ET
my new custom made brian's gear is being shipped today. so excited. helping me get over missing the playoffs.
- hammarby31

From a fellow goalie getting brand new custom goalie equipment is like Christmas day
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:14 PM ET
Shattenkirk
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I agree too much. I value Read too highly honestly. And if we have a real shot at Poluck I am excited as heck to see him play in the O and B with that boomer of a shot.

What was the consensus on a fair deal?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:14 PM ET
From a fellow goalie getting brand new custom goalie equipment is like Christmas day
- FLYERSROCK!


it is a great thing.. any of you guys tried the new CCM 500 goal sticks yet? I may get one when they come out.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 30 @ 2:20 PM ET
Is Erik Johnson available after the Aves draft Seth Jones?
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:21 PM ET
I agree too much. I value Read too highly honestly. And if we have a real shot at Poluck I am excited as heck to see him play in the O and B with that boomer of a shot.

What was the consensus on a fair deal?

- coffee junkie

Didnt really ask
Some fans said Read+2013 1at was too much for Shats

Yet MJL said Read can't be the centerpiece in a deal for a Shattenkirk type of dman
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:21 PM ET
Is Erik Johnson available after the Aves draft Seth Jones?
- SuperSchennBros

Don't want him
I wouldn't trade Read for him straight up...
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
From a fellow goalie getting brand new custom goalie equipment is like Christmas day
- FLYERSROCK!


or hanukkah.

i've had gear made for me before...but just stock with my own color pattern. this is modified all over the place exactly how i want it. brian's is amazing that way.
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
it is a great thing.. any of you guys tried the new CCM 500 goal sticks yet? I may get one when they come out.
- Hextall271

I'm a Sherwood stick guy. Used one since I started Midget.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Apr 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
I just think they want a different mix. Coburn in particular could be odd man out
- Just5


I think you're dreaming. Grossmann and Mezaros are the ones with serious injury concerns.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:23 PM ET
There really aren't that many holes on this roster.
First it is a logical assumption that B Schenn and Couturier are only going to get better as they gain experience, so at center they are pretty well set:
Giroux-1st
Schenn-2nd
Couturier-3rd
Laughton-4th
Holmstrom-depth

As far as the top six wings go, they are also in pretty good shape with Hartnell, Voracek, Read, Simmonds, and Talbot. They just need to add one more be it Gagne, Morrow, Clowe, Horton etc.. For 4th wings, they have Rinaldo and Rosehill and if they have the cap space and can add 2 wings to the top 9, they could slot Talbot here. For depth they still have McGinn, Akeson and perhaps Noebels.

The big question of course is D, as they need to find someone to pair with Schenn on the shutdown pairing. I would offer St. Louis this years, 2nd, next years 1st, Cousins and Mez for JayBo. This would leave
JayBo-Schenn
Timonen-Coburn
Grossmann-Gus
And for depth you have Gervais on the roster and Lauridsen with the Phantoms

Finally in goal, to make this work, you may have to buyout Bryz, it depends on who you target on the wing. Either way Mason is going to be one of the goalies and he will compete with either Bryz or a new goalie to be the starter. Even if Bryz is kept, I don't think there is any guarantee that he will be the #1 guy, he will have to earn it. The contract will not be a factor, since if Mason beats him out, he will certainly be amnestied next off season.

- BiggE


Way too much for Bouwmeester in my opinion. I'm not giving them a 1st and Cousins.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:24 PM ET
it is a great thing.. any of you guys tried the new CCM 500 goal sticks yet? I may get one when they come out.
- Hextall271


i haven't. been using bauer one100 and x60 for the last couple of years. thinking of switching to the new sher-wood sl line.
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:24 PM ET
or hanukkah.

i've had gear made for me before...but just stock with my own color pattern. this is modified all over the place exactly how i want it. brian's is amazing that way.

- hammarby31

Yeah that too

That's awesome man

I wear Reebok pads... Not sure if I'm gonna make the switch to a different pad yet or not
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:24 PM ET
If you resign Gagne, you could move Couturier up to the 2nd line and slot Gagne onto the 3rd (if you resign him), to give you a top 9 of:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Couturier-Schenn-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton-Gagne

Cap hit is another story, and you'd probably have to move one of Coburn or Meszaros to offset the hit that an established defenseman would bring.

That said, for his cap hit, I wouldn't move Read until (maybe) the deadline if he won't sign an extension.

- jmatchett383


To look at it correctly, you have to balance the cost of Gagne versus Read. It's not easy to find a Winger who can play in all situations, and score in the 25 goal range, and brings a two way game. For an 800K Cap hit.
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
i haven't. been using bauer one100 and x60 for the last couple of years. thinking of switching to the new sher-wood sl line.
- hammarby31

That's what I'm using right now and it's a fantastic stick. I love it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
I just asked on the board about a week or so ago if Read, Ghost, 2013 1st would be a good trade and Flyers fans said no thats not a good deal for the Flyers, and St. Louis fans thought they won that deal
- FLYERSROCK!


Read is not the centerpiece of that deal. And really, what St. Louis fans think is irrelevant.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 30 @ 2:26 PM ET
Not sure if you yanking my chain or not. But if not, I don't agree. I think Lauridsen has gone overboard trying to be aggressive after the whistle, to try and make an impression. If that continues, players are going to target him to try and draw penalties, as we've already seen. Coburn plays a nasty game and over the course of a season. I seriously doubt that Lauridsen would be a more physical nasty player to play against then Coburn is.
- MJL

Im not saying Coburn doesnt have any grit... I just think it is so sporadic that it appears as though he is often seen as being soft.

Lauridsen has been playing like he has something to prove, and its obvious what that is. Coburn could take a page out of his book and i am SURE it would do wonders for his game. When Coburn is pissed, and playing with that edge he is one hell of a player... however when he doesnt, he tends to be more of a spectator.

Just my opinion of course.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:26 PM ET
The Flyers had holes going into this season. Even Homer doesn't have all the answers
- SuperSchennBros


Still dodging the issue. And the value that a versatile player like Read brings in a Cap environment that is going down significantly for next Season. And how they replace that with limited Cap space to start with. A long with the other areas of the team that they have to improve.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:29 PM ET
Im not saying Coburn doesnt have any grit... I just think it is so sporadic that it appears as though he is often seen as being soft.

Lauridsen has been playing like he has something to prove, and its obvious what that is. Coburn could take a page out of his book and i am SURE it would do wonders for his game. When Coburn is pissed, and playing with that edge he is one hell of a player... however when he doesnt, he tends to be more of a spectator.

Just my opinion of course.

- jak521


I see it completely differently. Coburn plays with a snarl most of the time. Coburn as a veteran knows when the time is right for extra curricular stuff. Lauridsen hasn't shown that. If anyone it is Lauridsen who should follow Coburn. Or he's going to be targeted by players.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:30 PM ET
Yeah that too

That's awesome man

I wear Reebok pads... Not sure if I'm gonna make the switch to a different pad yet or not

- FLYERSROCK!


i've been in bauer the last couple of years. really excited to go back to brian's. even though i'm an old man now...it's still so much fun to get new gear.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:31 PM ET
That's what I'm using right now and it's a fantastic stick. I love it
- FLYERSROCK!


which one exactly? 700 or 800? the composite sticks are so bloody expensive, but the sher-wood is reasonably priced in it's category, and i love the light weight, so i'm curious to try them. used sher-woods for years...you know, when they were actually made of wood.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 30 @ 2:34 PM ET
i can make a hat, a broche, a pterodactyl.
- hammarby31


do you like gladiator movies?
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