Can I ask a serious question, because honestly I remember LOVING Ricky DP when I was younger, like 12-13. But that was 6-7 years ago. So I'm willing to imagine that I wasn't that in tune with acknowledge good goaltending. Did he deserve that contract? His stats don't scream "throw me a boatload", but like I said, he was my favorite goalie for a few years.
- GirouxForTheShow

his potential deserved the amount per year, NO ONE deserves a 15 year term thou


XxNYIxX

Actually it works the other way around. When Boyes makes a bad pass everyone in here writes "See, he sucks". When he scores the game winner, I don't say a thing.

I judge based off what I see over a period of time. Not a play or a game or a series.
- kencan98

Boyes body of work sucks, if you can't see that then IDK what to tell you? I'll say it again for you, Boyes makes one great pass and 15 terrible ones. The guy can't keep up with the play, he is out of position constantly, he does'nt even know what backcheck means, he is clearly holding that line back, makes tape to tape passes on opposing teams sticks, has been responsible for derailing our PP more than any other player on the team. Why is it obvious to EVERYONE except you that Tavares wants no part of him on his line?

I'm basing my assessment on picks made from 2006. You keep changing the "rules" of our discussion though. First it's development as a whole, then it's AHL only, then it's the entire league, then it's just the Islanders, then it's just the Islanders in the Snow era, then it's every pick Snow ever made. As I prove you wrong you change the "rules" to try and make your argument work even though it never will.

Strome is miles ahead of Nino just like Bailey was miles ahead of Okposo. Just like Nino was miles ahead of both of them. All of those players have one thing in common - they were on the roster too early. Stop doing that and you might have a pick or two that actually turn into impact players.
- kencan98

You fabricate more crap.... 2006 Garth wasn't here...it's irrelevant to how this organization now develops their talent....You prove nothing wrong but you're so eager to pin a badge on yourself that you'll revise anything. This is why everyone here thinks you're a tool. You're comparing Strome to Nino with Bailey to Okposo...see...you know NOTHING!
Not one of those players development can be compared to the other. Bailey was yanked into the NHL prior to even completing his NHL career. Okposo was a college player. Strome is considered one of the top prospects in the whole NHL and NHL ready. Everyone sees that but you because you barely even know who he is .

You fabricate more crap.... 2006 Garth wasn't here...it's irrelevant to how this organization now develops their talent....You prove nothing wrong but you're so eager to pin a badge on yourself that you'll revise anything. This is why everyone here thinks you're a tool. You're comparing Strome to Nino with Bailey to Okposo...see...you know NOTHING!
Not one of those players development can be compared to the other. Bailey was yanked into the NHL prior to even completing his NHL career. Okposo was a college player. Strome is considered one of the top prospects in the whole NHL and NHL ready. Everyone sees that but you because you barely even know who he is .
- keaner17

I'm not comparing anyone to anyone. I'm saying that the cycle is the same. You say that Strome is better than any prospect we've picked in recent history. I'm saying that everyone said the same thing about every other pick we've made.

And I'm not revising anything. I'm trying to stick to your "rules" and you keep changing them.

Yes. That player is someone who fills in until the prospect is ready. You take that slight hit in order to turn the potential into talent later on. That's the whole point of picking a guy like Boyes up. If we are ready for Strome after 10 or so AHL games, why not just forget Boyes this season and put Strome in right from the start.

He wasn't ready at the start of the season and 10 or so AHL games isn't enough. If you want him to be an impact player on the team for a long period of time, which he could be, then he needs at least another half year in the AHL.
- kencan98

You must have done your research?

We are talking about the Islanders, then we aren't. We are talking about Snow, then we aren't. Lets pick one and stick with it.

Since 2006, ONE of the Islanders first round picks turned out as expected. Of those players, all of the ones on the current roster and those who have played a significant amount of games on the roster, have NOT turned out as expected besides one.


My point is that in order to turn that around you need to change something. The one thing in common that all of those players have is that they were all prematurely put into the NHL. And that's what needs to be stopped.
- kencan98

Is that because of the picks or the development?
As for your point...we did change something..our GM. Now we can debate whether he's decent at his job or not (though you said recently he's done a good job), but he can't be blamed for the mistakes that happened prior to him being here.

Listen Jim...if we wanted your opinion, kencan will give it to you.
- TurkishPancake

Boyes body of work sucks, if you can't see that then IDK what to tell you? I'll say it again for you, Boyes makes one great pass and 15 terrible ones. The guy can't keep up with the play, he is out of position constantly, he does'nt even know what backcheck means, he is clearly holding that line back, makes tape to tape passes on opposing teams sticks, has been responsible for derailing our PP more than any other player on the team. Why is it obvious to EVERYONE except you that Tavares wants no part of him on his line?
- Cptmjl

I thought we were talking about me coming in here talking about how I know everything when the Pens sweep? My point is that I don't do that and never have. It's the others around here who come in here and come at me when Boyes makes a mistake. And I'm the one who says nothing when he scores a game winner. That was my point.

And again, you turn that point into a "Boyes Sucks" argument which is a totally different discussion.

Yes. That player is someone who fills in until the prospect is ready. You take that slight hit in order to turn the potential into talent later on. That's the whole point of picking a guy like Boyes up. If we are ready for Strome after 10 or so AHL games, why not just forget Boyes this season and put Strome in right from the start.

He wasn't ready at the start of the season and 10 or so AHL games isn't enough. If you want him to be an impact player on the team for a long period of time, which he could be, then he needs at least another half year in the AHL.
- kencan98

"slight hit" You're kidding right? I'm beginning to think you're (frank)ing with us all and you are going to come on here one day and say just kidding guys!

I thought we were talking about me coming in here talking about how I know everything when the Pens sweep? My point is that I don't do that and never have. It's the others around here who come in here and come at me when Boyes makes a mistake. And I'm the one who says nothing when he scores a game winner. That was my point.

And again, you turn that point into a "Boyes Sucks" argument which is a totally different discussion.
- kencan98

Which is a multitude of times each game but Wang only pays him a million a year so no biggie, right?

I'm not comparing anyone to anyone. I'm saying that the cycle is the same. You say that Strome is better than any prospect we've picked in recent history. I'm saying that everyone said the same thing about every other pick we've made.

And I'm not revising anything. I'm trying to stick to your "rules" and you keep changing them.
- kencan98

Who's 'everyone' ? Anyone here? You love to talk about what 'everyone' as if you're trying to condemn people on hockeybuzz based on what you think "EVERYONE' believes. Pretty weak.
Yes, I'd say that talent-wise, Strome is arguably the best prospect we've had in a generation not named Tavares. He also works out with Tavares and both are dedicated workaholics. This is how I know you know noting about the kid, because anyone who has seen him can tell he's far better than Okposo, Bailey, Nilsen, O'Marra or whoever you want to dig up. You keep trying to lump all of our prospects in together but what's good for one guy is not necessarily good for all of them.

I'm not comparing anyone to anyone. I'm saying that the cycle is the same. You say that Strome is better than any prospect we've picked in recent history. I'm saying that everyone said the same thing about every other pick we've made.

And I'm not revising anything. I'm trying to stick to your "rules" and you keep changing them.
- kencan98

Not entirely accurate but that does'nt seem to bother you so please continue.

Is that because of the picks or the development?
As for your point...we did change something..our GM. Now we can debate whether he's decent at his job or not (though you said recently he's done a good job), but he can't be blamed for the mistakes that happened prior to him being here.
- keaner17

He is to blame/credit for the current situation. He is also to blame/credit for the future of the team.

The picks that are on the current roster are not what we thought (or were told) they would be. And again, someone will jump in and try to be the hero and point to JT. He is the only one. Every other pick on the current roster is not what they thought they'd be. Okposo and Bailey are third liners at best on a great team. They are NOT top 10 picks. Snow didn't pick Okposo but he's on the team.

The prospects we have now are Snows picks and responsibility. My hope is that he learned from the Bailey/Nino mistakes and he doesn't make the same mistake again. Your hope is that he does.

On a different topic wonderful weather we are having

Which is a multitude of times each game but Wang only pays him a million a year so no biggie, right?
- Cptmjl

Now we are talking salary? We went from me boasting about the Pens sweeping to Boyes sucks to Salary cap in 3 posts. Lets pick a topic.

Thanks. While you're at it, ask him how the Ricky D contract is working out.
- jmatchett383

Wasnt his contract, But we'll ask for ya!

XxNYIxX

Who's 'everyone' ? Anyone here? You love to talk about what 'everyone' as if you're trying to condemn people on hockeybuzz based on what you think "EVERYONE' believes. Pretty weak.
Yes, I'd say that talent-wise, Strome is arguably the best prospect we've had in a generation not named Tavares. He also works out with Tavares and both are dedicated workaholics. This is how I know you know noting about the kid, because anyone who has seen him can tell he's far better than Okposo, Bailey, Nilsen, O'Marra or whoever you want to dig up. You keep trying to lump all of our prospects in together but what's good for one guy is not necessarily good for all of them.
- keaner17

That seems to be the question of the day?

Unfortunately you (and most here) never will. And that's why we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league which is sad.
- kencan98

NO ONE is laughing at the islanders anymore...they are preparing at this point.

Who's 'everyone' ? Anyone here? You love to talk about what 'everyone' as if you're trying to condemn people on hockeybuzz based on what you think "EVERYONE' believes. Pretty weak.
Yes, I'd say that talent-wise, Strome is arguably the best prospect we've had in a generation not named Tavares. He also works out with Tavares and both are dedicated workaholics. This is how I know you know noting about the kid, because anyone who has seen him can tell he's far better than Okposo, Bailey, Nilsen, O'Marra or whoever you want to dig up. You keep trying to lump all of our prospects in together but what's good for one guy is not necessarily good for all of them.
- keaner17

No, not every single person on planet earth but a large majority, yes. I forgot I was on an Islander blog for a second and I needed to spell everything out word for word in order for it to be understood.

Are we talking about players not under Snow because you brought them up and seem to be changing your "rules" again. I just want to know so I can stay on topic.

And you are right. All prospects are different. But the way we as fans are sold them is exactly the same. The only one that actually turned out the way management said was JT and that wasn't much of a surprise. Every other one was not nearly as good as expected.

I thought we were talking about me coming in here talking about how I know everything when the Pens sweep? My point is that I don't do that and never have. It's the others around here who come in here and come at me when Boyes makes a mistake. And I'm the one who says nothing when he scores a game winner. That was my point.

And again, you turn that point into a "Boyes Sucks" argument which is a totally different discussion.
- kencan98

Considering he's only done that ONCE this year, looks like you missed your chance

He is to blame/credit for the current situation. He is also to blame/credit for the future of the team.

The picks that are on the current roster are not what we thought (or were told) they would be. And again, someone will jump in and try to be the hero and point to JT. He is the only one. Every other pick on the current roster is not what they thought they'd be. Okposo and Bailey are third liners at best on a great team. They are NOT top 10 picks. Snow didn't pick Okposo but he's on the team.

The prospects we have now are Snows picks and responsibility. My hope is that he learned from the Bailey/Nino mistakes and he doesn't make the same mistake again. Your hope is that he does.
- kencan98

Not for nothing. If a 5-10 develops into a good third liner it's not a failure in any way. BTW I think you're wrong about Bailey, he will be(even better) and is presently a good second liner.

And we barely made the playoffs. That's really all that needs to be said.

Our opponent (the Penguins) had 5 top 5 picks from 02 to 06. They lost the cup 2 years later and won it the next season.
- kencan98

thats EIGHT years worth of restocking the cupboard...you get that right??

The ONE person in the past decade + that any person on earth would have picked with the first pick is your only example?

Perfect.
- kencan98

There were MANY GMs that were torn in that Draft Tavares, Duchane & Hedman ... so NO not any person on earth would have picked JT over them at the time.


XxNYIxX

Now we are talking salary? We went from me boasting about the Pens sweeping to Boyes sucks to Salary cap in 3 posts. Lets pick a topic.
- kencan98

Figured I'd bring it up before you did. You ALWAYS point to Boyes salary as being a positive. My answer to that is as it always has been WHO GIVES A (frank)?

NO ONE is laughing at the islanders anymore...they are preparing at this point.
- LetsGoIsles

And hopefully this continues. Based on what happened in the past though, and YES, under Snow, this isn't going to happen.

Based on the past (SNOW), we will not resign Boyes, we will either fill in with another "Boyes/PAP" or we will bring up a prospect. Either the prospect will bust (like Bailey and Nino did) or the UFA will work or not.

It's hard to say what will happen in net because Snow really hasn't made any moves back there yet. The only real goalie he had was Nabby and he's still here. If he resigns him, the team may be in decent shape. If he doesn't, it's lottery time all over again.