Listen seriously you dont know who I am. I have ripped this team for years buddy. I hate Snow I hate Wang I even hate Cappy. I feel they have no NHL intellect at all but you know what whether you want to see it or beleive it they got a team that they put together in the playoffs and that has to count for something. If it was a full season would the Isles be in the playoffs?? Like I said numerous times probably not, but it is not a full season and the kids are in the playoffs. Be happy to be here no one is predicitng a cup for us not even a fan here thinks that. So who cares about the holes on the team. Every team has holes even the Pens. Ask there fans. There defense is not the greatest they know that and how do I know that cause as people here know I am a Penguins fan at heart and I have seen basically all there games this year!!
- kasperrko

You obviously don't know who I am either and haven't been reading any of my posts. I have no problem with the coaching or management at all IF THEY LEARNED FROM THEIR MISTAKES.

My problem is with the fans who encourage the same mistakes to be made. If the management learns and changes, that's fine. If they continue to make the same mistakes and most fans are saying they should, that's a problem.

The only issue I have with management is some of the picks they've made but most of the picks Snow has made (the ones not on the roster) are still in development and hopefully they stay there until they are really ready.

these boards are going to be unbearable....
- NYI78

if you read just these threads, youd think the islanders finished bottom 5 this year... some people are just incapable of being happy.

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- keaner17

And that's why you don't rush prospects. And that's why you keep a guy like Boyes and let Strome develop for another year in the AHL. And that's why Nino is done here.

Thanks for proving my point (again).
- kencan98

WRONG again. I'd say that if Nino had played that season on the second line (or the first line as he was slated in camp prior to the groin injury) folks would be looking at him in a completely different light. Bailey was a different situation all together because they didn't even let him finish his junior career.

In the case of Strome, he's miles ahead of BOTH those guys coming into his rookie season. Most people who've actually watched him play know that. You on the otherhand will base your assessment on picks made 15 years ago...

I'm not sure who you are arguing with or what the subject is to be honest.

You just spew out these rants, like everybody is out to get you?!?!

What exactly is your point?

It almost seems you are upset the Isles are in, because it goes against all your theories about how bad the Isles are.

Everybody know they have alot of issues... starting on top with Wang!!!

But even you have to admit it has been a pretty successful year.

The Brooklyn move alone is a win...win!!!

Enjoy it!!!
- jimmc7722

this!!!!

can you explain how, and more importantly who is responsible for the islanders getting into the playoffs?
- LetsGoIsles

Tavares and Nabby. Without those two we are a lottery team. And mainly it's Nabby. Without JT it would be tough but I think we could have still hung in for a little while. With DP and Poulin in net we would have had the worst record in the league.

wow. Can you not read what you are typing? He was used 4 minutes a night and thrown on a fourth line BECAUSE HE WAS RUSHED INTO THE LEAGUE!

My point is that they need to stop doing that.
Your point is they need to continue to do it because "top 5 picks don't need development" even though almost all of them do (as I pointed out over and over again in the other blog).
- kencan98

I'm pretty sure they have...

That's not a smart question and it's impossible to answer because the Islanders only had 1 top 5 pick that they actually used since 2006. Top 10 picks, all of them besides JT. They were all rushed and none of them lived up to their potential. My argument is that with the prospects we have now we should not make that same mistake.
- kencan98

Please see my post. You said that top-5 players shouldn't be rushed. Go back to my post, I edited it and listed the top 5 picks that were rushed (and the ones that weren't). Please tell me how you think the vast majority of the "rushed" players did. Otherwise, you're just making ubsubstaintiated points and your arguments therefore have little weight (like saying no top-5 pick for the Isles in the last decade has panned out, other than the one that did).

Yep...it's Garth's fault Milbury drafted Robert Nilson. It's also Garth's fault Neil Smith drafted Okposo (who looks pretty good right now). Garth shouldn't have traded Luongo, Bertuzzi, Connnolly, McCabe. What was he thinking?

We can only judge the state of THIS franchise now based on the current GM. So it's too early to talk about ruining anyone. I agree that I never liked the Bailey pick. But after that, it's too early to say anyone has been handled poorly. I doubt you'll come around to admit you're wrong when Strome is lighting the lamp here.

Yet if we get swept by Pittsburgh (a very possible scenario), you'll be hear acting as though no one here considered it a possibility.
- keaner17

book it

WRONG again. I'd say that if Nino had played that season on the second line (or the first line as he was slated in camp prior to the groin injury) folks would be looking at him in a completely different light. Bailey was a different situation all together because they didn't even let him finish his junior career.

In the case of Strome, he's miles ahead of BOTH those guys coming into his rookie season. Most people who've actually watched him play know that. You on the otherhand will base your assessment on picks made 15 years ago...
- keaner17

I'm basing my assessment on picks made from 2006. You keep changing the "rules" of our discussion though. First it's development as a whole, then it's AHL only, then it's the entire league, then it's just the Islanders, then it's just the Islanders in the Snow era, then it's every pick Snow ever made. As I prove you wrong you change the "rules" to try and make your argument work even though it never will.

Strome is miles ahead of Nino just like Bailey was miles ahead of Okposo. Just like Nino was miles ahead of both of them. All of those players have one thing in common - they were on the roster too early. Stop doing that and you might have a pick or two that actually turn into impact players.

Unfortunately you (and most here) never will. And that's why we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league which is sad.
- kencan98

I say I understand... and you tell me that I don't....

How does that work?

I tried!!!

Listen seriously you dont know who I am. I have ripped this team for years buddy. I hate Snow I hate Wang I even hate Cappy. I feel they have no NHL intellect at all but you know what whether you want to see it or beleive it they got a team that they put together in the playoffs and that has to count for something. If it was a full season would the Isles be in the playoffs?? Like I said numerous times probably not, but it is not a full season and the kids are in the playoffs. Be happy to be here no one is predicitng a cup for us not even a fan here thinks that. So who cares about the holes on the team. Every team has holes even the Pens. Ask there fans. There defense is not the greatest they know that and how do I know that cause as people here know I am a Penguins fan at heart and I have seen basically all there games this year!!
- kasperrko

its no use..just ignore him do not respond to him...
- NYI78

Yeah you are right. I mean seriously though we are in the playoffs and for the team itself it is the best thing for them. We are no longer the laughing stock of this league. We are gainign respect

- Cptmjl

Just trying to reason the guy but it is no use

Please see my post. You said that top-5 players shouldn't be rushed. Go back to my post, I edited it and listed the top 5 picks that were rushed (and the ones that weren't). Please tell me how you think the vast majority of the "rushed" players did. Otherwise, you're just making ubsubstaintiated points and your arguments therefore have little weight (like saying no top-5 pick for the Isles in the last decade has panned out, other than the one that did).
- jmatchett383

We are talking about the Islanders, then we aren't. We are talking about Snow, then we aren't. Lets pick one and stick with it.

Since 2006, ONE of the Islanders first round picks turned out as expected. Of those players, all of the ones on the current roster and those who have played a significant amount of games on the roster, have NOT turned out as expected besides one.

My point is that in order to turn that around you need to change something. The one thing in common that all of those players have is that they were all prematurely put into the NHL. And that's what needs to be stopped.

And that's why you don't rush prospects. And that's why you keep a guy like Boyes and let Strome develop for another year in the AHL. And that's why Nino is done here.

Thanks for proving my point (again).
- kencan98

So you keep a shatty hockey player to develop your prospects? How about inserting a better hockey player in said position?

Yeah you are right. I mean seriously though we are in the playoffs and for the team itself it is the best thing for them. We are no longer the laughing stock of this league. We are gainign respect
- kasperrko

i agree..its just sad i come in here to talk hockey with my boys and its impossible....it only take one bad apple to ruin the bunch

can you explain how, and more importantly who is responsible for the islanders getting into the playoffs?
- LetsGoIsles

Dee Karl

book it
- Cptmjl

Actually it works the other way around. When Boyes makes a bad pass everyone in here writes "See, he sucks". When he scores the game winner, I don't say a thing.

I judge based off what I see over a period of time. Not a play or a game or a series.

I never said the Islanders are bad. I actually have nothing against the team at all. I do think they overachieved this season which is not a bad thing but the month of April is NOT the complete story of the team.

I don't really have a problem with Wang as much as some around here might think. He kept the team in NY and yes, he may not spend like some want him to but at least we have a team to root for still.

My problem with the Islanders, some of their fans, and their management is that they ALWAYS make the wrong move. All I want them to do is to do what every other team in the league would do and I only ask for it one time. For once in the past decade +, just use the 5 pick to pick a #5 player. For once just let a prospect develop so that we actually turn potential into talent.

Take the 2010 draft for example. If they take the 5 pick and grab Fowler, I would have been happy. Back then we don't know if he turns out to be a bust or not but at least we look at the draft and say they were in the fifth spot and made the pick. But they didn't do that and they never do. They make some off the wall pick that turns into garbage. And it happens over and over again.

2008, just make the pick. Maybe Schenn turns out horrible, maybe he's a star. No one knows but at least you made the pick. If you go back and look through the drafts, if the Islanders would have just picked the ranked player that matched their draft position they'd be a much better team then they are today.

Some here (and in the Isles fan base as a whole) are still sold the Isles bill of goods. Every prospect is "the guy we wanted" even though no one on earth ever heard of them before. Every prospect is "NHL ready" the day after the draft. And every prospect is a first line player or the next Lidstrom.

That's my problem and it always has been.

Then when I point out that every other team does it differently than we do, give examples and back up my arguments with facts, people turn to insults because their points are proven wrong.

THIS is what makes us the laughing stock of the league.
- kencan98

a few guys project schenn and fowler to be drafted high and therefore thats 100% what should be done?? why even draft? just give out players based off of what the scouts say...right?

by the way, according to you, nino is done because he is -30 in the nhl while you would have been happy with cam fowler who is a career -57, ill say it again a CAREER MINUS 57!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree..its just sad i come in here to talk hockey with my boys and its impossible....it only take one bad apple to ruin the bunch
- NYI78

Yeah I know we have had our winners come through these boards and they usually disappear fast so who knows. I am happy we are in and that we made the playoffs. Great experience for them. Hopefully they keep it up for years to come

So you keep a shatty hockey player to develop your prospects? How about inserting a better hockey player in said position?
- Cptmjl

Yes. That player is someone who fills in until the prospect is ready. You take that slight hit in order to turn the potential into talent later on. That's the whole point of picking a guy like Boyes up. If we are ready for Strome after 10 or so AHL games, why not just forget Boyes this season and put Strome in right from the start.

He wasn't ready at the start of the season and 10 or so AHL games isn't enough. If you want him to be an impact player on the team for a long period of time, which he could be, then he needs at least another half year in the AHL.

Dee Karl
- Cptmjl

Maybe he is Dee Karl

I say I understand... and you tell me that I don't....

How does that work?

I tried!!!
- jimmc7722

Listen Jim...if we wanted your opinion, kencan will give it to you.

a few guys project schenn and fowler to be drafted high and therefore thats 100% what should be done?? why even draft? just give out players based off of what the scouts say...right?

by the way, according to you, nino is done because he is -30 in the nhl while you would have been happy with cam fowler who is a career -57, ill say it again a CAREER MINUS 57!!!!!!!!!!!!
- LetsGoIsles

Yes because over time those "few guys" have a much better record at predicting talent than the Islanders do.

And it's convenient of you to leave out the point production of both players because that really makes your point totally invalid. Fowler has what, 90 points in 200 games as a D Man? Nino has 5 in 66 as a foward.