In sad NHL news Brian Rolston has retired

Your tone was a good bit stronger than that. You came on here telling everyone that we were 'typical islander fans' and that most islander fans are 'idiots' etc. Then acted as though people were astonished that Strome played 'center' despite the fact that most centers actually can switch to wing without a problem. You insisted that Boyes has been a raging success on the first line and should be resigned or else he'll be signed on the first day of free agency. Need I go on?
This board is pretty damn accepting for newcomers but if you spit in their eye, they'll eat you for lunch. Especially when you demonstrate only a basic understanding of the details while advising everyone else that the fanbase is clueless. That's how you set yourself up for ridicule.
- keaner17

I'm wondering if perhaps I have another personality and log in as both myself and Keaner. Our posts end up looking so similar so often it's a bit creepy!

You feel that way, and the rest of us don't, which is why this shat has continued for several weeks. If you look at the results of your opinion posts, you'll notice that you are overwhelmingly in the minority on this issue and perhaps should just leave it alone. I know we won't convince you that Boyes is dead weight and you're not going to convince us, so drop it already.
- Isles_since_6

So because people disagree with me I shouldn't say what I believe?

I'm already convinced Boyes is not the best option. I figured that would be true before the season even started.

What no one can convince me of is why keeping Boyes as a plan B is a bad idea. Right now, TODAY, he is the only option. If they go out and trade for Ryan or sign Iginla, awesome, get rid of Boyes. But to say "He's dead weight and we'll find a way" is going into things without a plan and that's a problem.

In sad NHL news Brian Rolston has retired
- kasperrko

So because people disagree with me I shouldn't say what I believe?

I'm already convinced Boyes is not the best option. I figured that would be true before the season even started.

What no one can convince me of is why keeping Boyes as a plan B is a bad idea. Right now, TODAY, he is the only option. If they go out and trade for Ryan or sign Iginla, awesome, get rid of Boyes. But to say "He's dead weight and we'll find a way" is going into things without a plan and that's a problem.
- kencan98

Holy (frank)

once again, putting words where they dont belong...i said the TEAMS are comparable, not the players...
- LetsGoIsles

And they aren't. They are less comparable than the 93 Isles and the 13 Isles.

I mentioned it about 10 times already.
- kencan98

you mentioned what you assumed

XxNYIxX

My determination is based on my love for the team and the skills of the people who work for me. I'll never lose my love for the team and I'll always call for them to go in a different direction when things aren't working. If the people at work need me, I'll have to leave though.
- kencan98

playoffs start tonight, islanders are in the playoffs.

So because people disagree with me I shouldn't say what I believe?

I'm already convinced Boyes is not the best option. I figured that would be true before the season even started.

What no one can convince me of is why keeping Boyes as a plan B is a bad idea. Right now, TODAY, he is the only option. If they go out and trade for Ryan or sign Iginla, awesome, get rid of Boyes. But to say "He's dead weight and we'll find a way" is going into things without a plan and that's a problem.
- kencan98

because on any other line we have Boyes doesn't fit. The only real opening we have is on JT's wing and he's not capable of playing to that level. How many more times would you like us to repeat that?

Is Boyes capable of playing a defensive checking role? No. Okay, that takes him off the bottom six of the roster. Is he capable of playing on the second line? Maybe, but we have Bailey, Okposo and even Grabner who could play there, along with a chance that Nino could play in the top six if he impresses at camp. So nix that. Where else do you play a guy who can't make a pass, can't hit the net and doesn't backcheck or hit?

Done. Boyes is gone.

I usually do my swimming before my well balanced meal
- Bags502

thinking outside the box... I like that!

XxNYIxX

I never said we haven't done anything right and I certainly never said the rebuild is a failure. Nino wasn't invited to camp, requested a trade and wasn't invited to join the team in the playoffs when every other serious prospect was. If you think that's the recipe for a future core player, fine. I don't.

With the series coming up, yes, I'd be happy if they hang in. I'm not realistically thinking they can win and I don't think anyone can say that when they really look at the matchup. Anything can happen, yes, but is it realistically likely to happen, no.

I'm not comparing the 93 Isles to the 13 Isles because I think there is no comparison. I also think after a run like they went on, with the entire team (basically) never having played in the post season, to lose 4 straight (which is a really good possibility) would do more harm then good. If they happen to win though, it's the biggest boost the team has had in decades, but that's highly unlikely.
- kencan98

actually you did. It became one of the core arguments you and I first had when you came here. You said the team has had no improvement over the last four years and the rebuild as failed.

No one here EXPECTS us to win. I think you'll find varying degrees of what they believe our actual chances are. Personally, I think it goes maybe 5 games, but I've seen several times over the last 35 years where the team with the most talent, fails to play an effective playoff series against a far less talented team that stuck to the program. New Jersey was the role model for undertalented teams overwhelming elite talented teams. It happens.

as for:
to lose 4 straight (which is a really good possibility) would do more harm then good.
We'll have to agree to disagree. The stretch run to get into the playoffs alone was a quantum leap for the experience of this team and management. The team learned that they could pull together and play organized hockey and beat anyone. They learned what it took to get there. Now they'll find out just how they measure up against arguably the best team in the league. Huge experience. In the meantime, their appearance in the playoffs will signal to UFA vets that the team is a viable option for an up and coming team ready to challenge for bigger and better things.

Holy (frank)
- Cptmjl

Yeah, I know. When you actually read what I write it's a little surprising. Instead of insulting people and talking about their families, you should actually read what I'm typing.

I never once said that Boyes was the best option for the team. What I said, and still say, is that he is the ONLY option we have.

I also said that we have 3 options.

1. Keep Boyes
2. Sign another "Boyes" (Let PAP go, Sign Boyes, Let Boyes go, Sign Another one like him)
3. Throw in a prospect and hope.

Option 2 is a roll of the dice.

Option 3 is a prayer.

Option 1 while trying option 3 is the only smart move.

playoffs start tonight, islanders are in the playoffs.
- LetsGoIsles

but not tonight!!!

In kens world... if things were working we would be playing the first night!!

XxNYIxX

And they aren't. They are less comparable than the 93 Isles and the 13 Isles.
- kencan98

in terms of rebuild they are in the same category...disagree for the sake of argument but considering where the isles are 5 years in their rebuild, the penguins a in the same boat after year 5 of their rebuild...again, feel free to disagree i have another 2.5 hours at work, but everyone knows im right.

because on any other line we have Boyes doesn't fit. The only real opening we have is on JT's wing and he's not capable of playing to that level. How many more times would you like us to repeat that?
Is Boyes capable of playing a defensive checking role? No. Okay, that takes him off the bottom six of the roster. Is he capable of playing on the second line? Maybe, but we have Bailey, Okposo and even Grabner who could play there, along with a chance that Nino could play in the top six if he impresses at camp. So nix that. Where else do you play a guy who can't make a pass, can't hit the net and doesn't backcheck or hit?
Done. Boyes is gone.
- Isles_since_6

Good question, one that I've asked many times. As for the second bold I've been saying that same exact thing all year.

We are all hoping you feel the same way.
- Cptmjl

Not as of right now. The only one he made the mistake on was Nino. I'm hoping he doesn't do the same with Strome.
- kencan98

you must have been FURIOUS when the islanders immediately slotted JT into the lineup with no development after they drafted him...

actually you did. It became one of the core arguments you and I first had when you came here. You said the team has had no improvement over the last four years and the rebuild as failed.


- keaner17

Find where I said that the rebuild was a failure and quote it here.

I never said that at all.

What I said (and continue to say) is that if they make the same mistakes they made in the past it will BECOME a failure. Yes, that's true. If they understand the mistakes and don't repeat them, it's likely that they'll succeed.

Yeah, I know. When you actually read what I write it's a little surprising. Instead of insulting people and talking about their families, you should actually read what I'm typing.

I never once said that Boyes was the best option for the team. What I said, and still say, is that he is the ONLY option we have.

I also said that we have 3 options.

1. Keep Boyes
2. Sign another "Boyes" (Let PAP go, Sign Boyes, Let Boyes go, Sign Another one like him)
3. Throw in a prospect and hope.

Option 2 is a roll of the dice.

Option 3 is a prayer.

Option 1 while trying option 3 is the only smart move.
- kencan98

Your family sucks

Kencan could dampen a cure for cancer announcement

Suppose they beat Pitt, anything positive afterwards posted by kencan would seem awfully hollow

where's mick i need him to talk me off the ledge. i don't think i can respond now without getting banned
- NYI78

Just ignore him. I don't even read his post anymore. Its good for the blood pressure. Nobody is bringing me down for the start of the playoffs baby!!!

Yeah, I know. When you actually read what I write it's a little surprising. Instead of insulting people and talking about their families, you should actually read what I'm typing.

I never once said that Boyes was the best option for the team. What I said, and still say, is that he is the ONLY option we have.

I also said that we have 3 options.

1. Keep Boyes
2. Sign another "Boyes" (Let PAP go, Sign Boyes, Let Boyes go, Sign Another one like him)
3. Throw in a prospect and hope.

Option 2 is a roll of the dice.

Option 3 is a prayer.

Option 1 while trying option 3 is the only smart move.
- kencan98

Never happened, never made fun of your "family" as you put it. Would never do that, stop trying to light a fire. Not going to happen, the mod on here is too smart for that. I was just asking for clarification on that one thing, I guess I can go back and look for myself. You did post it, remember? Amazing what you can find out

in terms of rebuild they are in the same category...disagree for the sake of argument but considering where the isles are 5 years in their rebuild, the penguins a in the same boat after year 5 of their rebuild...again, feel free to disagree i have another 2.5 hours at work, but everyone knows im right.
- LetsGoIsles

Do we really have to do this?

Do We really have to put the teams side by side on the forum?

REALLY?

The two are not even in the same category.

Kencan could dampen a cure for cancer announcement

Suppose they beat Pitt, anything positive afterwards posted by kencan would seem awfully hollow
- Slimtj100

Then they would have to face the Caps!

XxNYIxX

Your tone was a good bit stronger than that. You came on here telling everyone that we were 'typical islander fans' and that most islander fans are 'idiots' etc. Then acted as though people were astonished that Strome played 'center' despite the fact that most centers actually can switch to wing without a problem. You insisted that Boyes has been a raging success on the first line and should be resigned or else he'll be signed on the first day of free agency. Need I go on?
This board is pretty damn accepting for newcomers but if you spit in their eye, they'll eat you for lunch. Especially when you demonstrate only a basic understanding of the details while advising everyone else that the fanbase is clueless. That's how you set yourself up for ridicule.
- keaner17

Bingo