Finally cleared for the sex change?
- Cptmjl

That chick is about to fack you up.

Oh leave him alone, you're just upset cause you can't be as good of a sugar daddy as he can
- TurkishPancake

LOL...damn bag wackers!

I really hope any new Islander fans don't come on here and read the posts you guys are writing. It will drive them away from the team in seconds.
- kencan98

We are all hoping you feel the same way.

Ken, maybe I'm wrong, but I think the heat you are getting is a reflection on the timing in which you are making your arguments. There several Islanders fans on this board, who have been here for years, have suffered through some pretty bad times, and don't want to hear how bad the organization is when the team is about ready to make its first playoff appearance in years.
- Pete V

I'm back... Did I miss anything...

could have said the same thing about LV. He didn't want to come, kept blocking the trade, stayed in the KHL, then went home, then finally came over. Now he's resigned.

Don't underestimate Snow's patience, it's clearly a lot longer than any of ours.

Nino could well make the team next year and could be a respectable player, we just won't know until he gets a shot in camp.

Plenty of players the Isles drafted didn't pan out or turned into great players elsewhere because Milbury looked at them with as little patience as you do.
- Isles_since_6

Lubo is a great player who is proven in the NHL. With a guy like that, you do what you have to do to get him here. Even if Snow has to swallow his pride a little and take it on the chin, for a guy like Lubo you do it. Nabby is the same thing.

But to get walked all over and treated like garbage by a prospect sends the wrong message. If he takes it and still deals with the guy, he looks weak and sends the message that every other prospect can treat him the same way. If he gets rid of him (which is likely to happen), it sends the RIGHT message in that he won't be disrespected and walked all over by a draft pick.

LOL...damn bag wackers!
- keaner17

I think its whackbaggers

I really hope any new Islander fans don't come on here and read the posts you guys are writing. It will drive them away from the team in seconds.
- kencan98

as opposed to,
"we haven't done anything right, the rebuild is a failure, Nino is done, this team has no chance and I'll be happy if we can stay within a goal of any of the four games this series will have"?

Yeah, that'll get em' to sign up

Ken, maybe I'm wrong, but I think the heat you are getting is a reflection on the timing in which you are making your arguments. There several Islanders fans on this board, who have been here for years, have suffered through some pretty bad times, and don't want to hear how bad the organization is when the team is about ready to make its first playoff appearance in years.
- Pete V

You're not wrong Pete, well said.

Ken, maybe I'm wrong, but I think the heat you are getting is a reflection on the timing in which you are making your arguments. There several Islanders fans on this board, who have been here for years, have suffered through some pretty bad times, and don't want to hear how bad the organization is when the team is about ready to make its first playoff appearance in years.
- Pete V

This actually started about a month ago when I said it was a mistake to rush Strome into a first line position. My suggestion was to resign Boyes for another year and watch how Strome develops in the AHL. If he shines, you give him a shot with Boyes as plan B. If it works, Boyes is gone for a pick at the deadline. If Strome doesn't work, you have a fall back option in Boyes.

Once I said that, all hell broke loose.

And at the end of the day, my only point is and always has been that if the things in the past haven't worked and they shouldn't repeat the same mistakes again. No one wants to hear that.

I'm back... Did I miss anything...
- jimmc7722

status quo

Ok, think that. That's exactly why PR people are paid the way they are paid. They do their jobs well.

Just remember the circumstances surrounding the situation. When he's gone by the draft this summer, remember, and next time a similar situation happens and you are told the same type of stuff, remember the outcome.
- kencan98

What circumstances??

What Situation??

XxNYIxX

I'm just answering the questions made by others. Since everything I say is based on pure facts and on the history of the team, no one can really deny anything I'm saying. Most of them either run off (cupboard boy) or insult and use faces (the cpt guy).

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm just answering.

Someone who requests a trade, isn't invited to camp and isn't invited to join the team during playoffs is a problem. Add in the NHL production and (if you have eyes) you can see clearly he's an issue.
- kencan98

right your always right. we'll just with that from now on

Lubo is a great player who is proven in the NHL. With a guy like that, you do what you have to do to get him here. Even if Snow has to swallow his pride a little and take it on the chin, for a guy like Lubo you do it. Nabby is the same thing.

But to get walked all over and treated like garbage by a prospect sends the wrong message. If he takes it and still deals with the guy, he looks weak and sends the message that every other prospect can treat him the same way. If he gets rid of him (which is likely to happen), it sends the RIGHT message in that he won't be disrespected and walked all over by a draft pick.
- kencan98

I disagree. If you move him you send the message that if you make a big enough stink you can get out of the organization and go where you want to. The last thing they need right now while having difficulty attracting UFA's is to have difficulty retaining their prospects.

I'm back... Did I miss anything...
- jimmc7722

Why yes you did... Apparently while you were enjoying lunch a few things happened...

More people have sided against Kencan's views. Pete V made a fantastic point and lastly, I have become hungry and I am gonna go to lunch now as well...

Why yes you did... Apparently while you were enjoying lunch a few things happened...

More people have sided against Kencan's views. Pete V made a fantastic point and lastly, I have become hungry and I am gonna go to lunch now as well...
- Bags502

try to have a well balanced meal & wait 30mins before you go swimming!


XxNYIxX

as opposed to,
"we haven't done anything right, the rebuild is a failure, Nino is done, this team has no chance and I'll be happy if we can stay within a goal of any of the four games this series will have"?

Yeah, that'll get em' to sign up
- keaner17

I never said we haven't done anything right and I certainly never said the rebuild is a failure. Nino wasn't invited to camp, requested a trade and wasn't invited to join the team in the playoffs when every other serious prospect was. If you think that's the recipe for a future core player, fine. I don't.

With the series coming up, yes, I'd be happy if they hang in. I'm not realistically thinking they can win and I don't think anyone can say that when they really look at the matchup. Anything can happen, yes, but is it realistically likely to happen, no.

I'm not comparing the 93 Isles to the 13 Isles because I think there is no comparison. I also think after a run like they went on, with the entire team (basically) never having played in the post season, to lose 4 straight (which is a really good possibility) would do more harm then good. If they happen to win though, it's the biggest boost the team has had in decades, but that's highly unlikely.

where's mick i need him to talk me off the ledge. i don't think i can respond now without getting banned

What circumstances??

What Situation??

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

I mentioned it about 10 times already.

I disagree. If you move him you send the message that if you make a big enough stink you can get out of the organization and go where you want to. The last thing they need right now while having difficulty attracting UFA's is to have difficulty retaining their prospects.
- Isles_since_6

It's kind of a dammed if you do dammed if you don't thing. Snow seems to have the "we'll make them love us" mentality which seems to be working? Honestly, if it was me instead of Snow Nabby and Lubo would'nt be here and we probably would'nt be in the playoffs

This actually started about a month ago when I said it was a mistake to rush Strome into a first line position. My suggestion was to resign Boyes for another year and watch how Strome develops in the AHL. If he shines, you give him a shot with Boyes as plan B. If it works, Boyes is gone for a pick at the deadline. If Strome doesn't work, you have a fall back option in Boyes.

Once I said that, all hell broke loose.

And at the end of the day, my only point is and always has been that if the things in the past haven't worked and they shouldn't repeat the same mistakes again. No one wants to hear that.
- kencan98

Your tone was a good bit stronger than that. You came on here telling everyone that we were 'typical islander fans' and that most islander fans are 'idiots' etc. Then acted as though people were astonished that Strome played 'center' despite the fact that most centers actually can switch to wing without a problem. You insisted that Boyes has been a raging success on the first line and should be resigned or else he'll be signed on the first day of free agency. Need I go on?
This board is pretty damn accepting for newcomers but if you spit in their eye, they'll eat you for lunch. Especially when you demonstrate only a basic understanding of the details while advising everyone else that the fanbase is clueless. That's how you set yourself up for ridicule.

try to have a well balanced meal & wait 30mins before you go swimming!


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

I usually do my swimming before my well balanced meal

This actually started about a month ago when I said it was a mistake to rush Strome into a first line position. My suggestion was to resign Boyes for another year and watch how Strome develops in the AHL. If he shines, you give him a shot with Boyes as plan B. If it works, Boyes is gone for a pick at the deadline. If Strome doesn't work, you have a fall back option in Boyes.

Once I said that, all hell broke loose.

And at the end of the day, my only point is and always has been that if the things in the past haven't worked and they shouldn't repeat the same mistakes again. No one wants to hear that.
- kencan98

For the last time, it may well be a mistake to put Strome into a first line situation without knowing how he'll produce. They'll have to judge that for themselves in camp. If they decide NOT to rush Strome or that he's NOT ready, then they can look within the organization for an upgrade to the first line right wing position, or sign a UFA, or make a trade for a better option.

The issue you have is that the vast majority of us can see that Boyes is dragging down the play of that line with numerous unforced turnovers and terrible defensive play and that resigning him is not a good option. This is where the disagreement is and you refuse to accept that they could find a better option either internally or externally and insist signing Boyes is their best bet.

You feel that way, and the rest of us don't, which is why this shat has continued for several weeks. If you look at the results of your opinion posts, you'll notice that you are overwhelmingly in the minority on this issue and perhaps should just leave it alone. I know we won't convince you that Boyes is dead weight and you're not going to convince us, so drop it already.

I disagree. If you move him you send the message that if you make a big enough stink you can get out of the organization and go where you want to. The last thing they need right now while having difficulty attracting UFA's is to have difficulty retaining their prospects.
- Isles_since_6

Prospects are different than NHL talent. People have said this over and over again in this thread. Prospects are potential, not talent. In order for that potential to be realized, they have to want to do it. You can force Lubo on the ice and let him experience the team, city, etc. You can do the same with Nabby. If they like it, they'll stay. If they don't, they won't. You can't do that with a prospect.

I'd question Bailey a little bit. He's a third liner on good teams and a second liner on bad teams. Nothing more and barely that.

I agree 100% with you on Nabby though. Without him we're done.

And your other post, comparing JT to Sid and Strome to Malkin is a LOT more than just a stretch.
- kencan98

once again, putting words where they dont belong...i said the TEAMS are comparable, not the players...