Now there's a fan! Once again, because the prior management screwed this up...it guarantee's this one will too! First it's because we didn't allow them to develop, then it's because we chose the wrong guy, then it's the fans fault

Because Robert Nilsen sucked, it guarantee's Strome will suck. Nothing to do with the level of talent, just the fact that they're Islanders guarantee's that....awesome logic! Why would you even watch the games thinking like that?
- keaner17

I never said any of that but you can make up your own stuff and twist my words as much as you want.

If the current management makes the same mistakes and takes the same path as a management team that failed, yes, it's easy to expect the same results.

If the current management changes course and does things differently (which is what I'm suggesting) then it's easy to expect different results.

You are suggesting we take the same path with Strome as we did with Nino. I am suggesting we don't based on how that turned out.

I never said any of that but you can make up your own stuff and twist my words as much as you want.

If the current management makes the same mistakes and takes the same path as a management team that failed, yes, it's easy to expect the same results.

If the current management changes course and does things differently (which is what I'm suggesting) then it's easy to expect different results.

You are suggesting we take the same path with Strome as we did with Nino. I am suggesting we don't based on how that turned out.
- kencan98

Oh good God

Exactly why I don't spend more then a couple of minutes a day on here I use to really enjoy coming on here but its gotten to the point where its like romper room
- Vukota

We haven't pulled the magic mirror out yet...

I never said any of that but you can make up your own stuff and twist my words as much as you want.

If the current management makes the same mistakes and takes the same path as a management team that failed, yes, it's easy to expect the same results.

If the current management changes course and does things differently (which is what I'm suggesting) then it's easy to expect different results.

You are suggesting we take the same path with Strome as we did with Nino. I am suggesting we don't based on how that turned out.
- kencan98

We already did'nt, guess you missed that? Holy (frank)ing shat, you are something else.

you're just all over the place man.

you said it would be dumb to trade for a goalie 4-5 years in advance....why the hell would you say that unless you think you have a goalie in place for the next 4-5 years? if you agree that nabakov only has 1 more good year then you should be agreeing with me that your GM needs to figure out your goalie situation ASAP.
- rangerdanger94

And the fact that Nabby is the main reason we are in a playoff spot along with JT makes this a pretty scary issue for the Isles.

We already did'nt, guess you missed that? Holy (frank)ing shat, you are something else.
- Cptmjl

So now no one here is suggesting that Strome be in the NHL next year after 10 or so games in the AHL?

I never said any of that but you can make up your own stuff and twist my words as much as you want.

If the current management makes the same mistakes and takes the same path as a management team that failed, yes, it's easy to expect the same results.

If the current management changes course and does things differently (which is what I'm suggesting) then it's easy to expect different results.

You are suggesting we take the same path with Strome as we did with Nino. I am suggesting we don't based on how that turned out.
- kencan98

Strome>Nino
better skillset, better head on his shoulders. Good friends with JT....elite talent. Completed his junior career with huge results. He's ready.

And the fact that Nabby is the main reason we are in a playoff spot along with JT makes this a pretty scary issue for the Isles.
- kencan98

well to be fair, guys like josh bailey and other prospects like hamonic are starting to become NHL players. you've had JT and nabby in previous seasons and missed the playoffs. you guys are just now getting deeper and having those guys develop.

it's all about patience.

with that said, i don't think your depth is good enough to get you in without a nabakov in net at least for a few more seasons.

I can't blame them for picking the guy they wanted. But we can all blame them when the guy they wanted ALWAYS turns out to be not as good as they think.

At least if they pick at 5 and take someone who is close to that selection, they made the pick that a lot of other teams would have made. And I'd rather them follow what some other, more successful teams have been doing because what they've done in the past hasn't worked.
- kencan98

But Schenn at #5 is a bust... he is a solid d-man but nothing special... 3-5 defensman because he is slow. There was no difference maker at#5 that year so the Isles moved back. I dont get why you are beating a dead horse? Every team makes mistakes and every team gets lucky. Pens happened to suck at the right time and got the 2 best players in the league in back to back drafts sandwhiched with Fluery and Staal... Thats pretty damn good and lucky is you ask me.

Strome>Nino
better skillset, better head on his shoulders. Good friends with JT....elite talent. Completed his junior career with huge results. He's ready.
- keaner17

And even though you hate history, the same exact things were said about Bailey and Okposo. Just switch the names.

So now no one here is suggesting that Strome be in the NHL next year after 10 or so games in the AHL?
- kencan98

Different paths for different players. Are you saying that JT and Nino should have the same "path" towards starting in the NHL? All picks are the same?

i'll admit i don't know anything about your goalie prospects.

a GM isn't stupid to trade for a goalie 4-5 years in advance if the goalies are young and show potential. first off, saying nabakov has 4-5 years left is a stretch. i'll be surprised if he plays at this level again after next season. secondly, look at Yzerman stocking up goalie prospects like Ben Bishop and Anders Lindback in advance. Tampa went from having a huge goalie problem to be stocked with legitimate potential options. if you guys could've traded for a Bishop or a Lindback, you guys would be in perfect position but those guys are very hard to come by.

maybe you guys could get bernier but no one knows if he's a legit starting goalie and the asking price is probably too much of what you guys wanna pay for. if you trade for a goalie you WILL overpay because there just isn't many options.
- rangerdanger94

so how could you make an argument without knowing 1 of the most basic things necessary to argue about goalie depth?

thats just childish cannon
- LetsGoIsles

i'm talking about the pens team that won the cup....you keep comparing the current isles to the 07 pens and comparing the isles in 2 years to the stanley cup champion pens.
- rangerdanger94

gotcha...thats fine...but it was 2009

FYI, the islanders equivalent to the penguins 2009 is in 2015.

ill make the proper comparisons then

But Schenn at #5 is a bust... he is a solid d-man but nothing special... 3-5 defensman because he is slow. There was no difference maker at#5 that year so the Isles moved back. I dont get why you are beating a dead horse? Every team makes mistakes and every team gets lucky. Pens happened to suck at the right time and got the 2 best players in the league in back to back drafts sandwhiched with Fluery and Staal... Thats pretty damn good and lucky is you ask me.
- Bags502

Schenn is not a bust on the Islanders. He's a second pairing here.

And none of this was known on draft day. What they did was an extremely risky move and in my opinion not worth the risk they took.

The Isles knew they were a lottery team regardless of who they picked in 2008. That meant that they had a decent shot at getting at least JT with a fallback option of Duchene. With a quality D Man at 5, why take the risk on trading down for a forward that isn't even ranked in the top 10?

The Islanders did it to fill their system. They said it themselves and some around here will repeat it over and over again. In my opinion, that is not the time to focus on the AHL club.

Put it this way, if you go back 10 years (starting at the 2003 draft), if the Islanders picked the player ranked in the spot they were picking, they'd be a much better team today then they are.

You can do that from 2008 forward as well and the same will be true but you really only have 2 years because 2010 forward is a little early.

And I wouldn't really be trading for picks right now with the Isles unless it's a Streit/Deadline situation and I've said over and over again that the team has to be right. I don't know if I'd let go Streit for the Flyers second round pick.
- kencan98

Okay, final draft rankings per TSN (SI for 2003):
2003 (15) - Eric Fehr
2004 (16) - Lauri Korpikoski
2005 (15) - Alex Bourret
2006 (7) - Peter Mueller
2007 (15) - Mikael Backlund
2008 (5) - Nikita Filatov
2009 (1) - John Tavares
2010 (5) - Cam Fowler
2011 (5) - Sean Couturier
2012 (4) - Griffin Reinhart

I'll give you the 2010 and 2011 picks, as they're superior to the Islanders' actual picks. 2009 and 2012 were dead-on. Otherwise, with MAYBE the exception of 2006 (they took Okposo), the picks they had weren't really any worse than the projected picks.

Any way, it's been a treat seeing you demand over and over that you're right when 95% of the board putting evidence to the contrary to your face, but I have to get to work.

Hope you guys give the Pens a good fight.

so how could you make an argument without knowing 1 of the most basic things necessary to argue about goalie depth?
- LetsGoIsles

well it's an assumption because i've never heard of any of them being mentioned in the same sentence as other goalie prospects like malcom subban, jake campbell, jake allen, ben bishop, etc.

everyone knows those prospects because they're basically sure-thing NHL starters. your top goalie prospect doesn't even crack your top 10 overall prospects.

Different paths for different players. Are you saying that JT and Nino should have the same "path" towards starting in the NHL? All picks are the same?
- Cptmjl

You're right. I'm wrong. That's all you are getting from now on. Others here are actually having a conversation. I'll focus on them.

you're just all over the place man.

you said it would be dumb to trade for a goalie 4-5 years in advance....why the hell would you say that unless you think you have a goalie in place for the next 4-5 years? if you agree that nabakov only has 1 more good year then you should be agreeing with me that your GM needs to figure out your goalie situation ASAP.
- rangerdanger94

ok, even if nabby is done after next season, garth wouldnt make a trade for a significant goalie and have him sit on the bench for 1 or 2 years. right???

well to be fair, guys like josh bailey and other prospects like hamonic are starting to become NHL players. you've had JT and nabby in previous seasons and missed the playoffs. you guys are just now getting deeper and having those guys develop.

it's all about patience.

with that said, i don't think your depth is good enough to get you in without a nabakov in net at least for a few more seasons.
- rangerdanger94

YOU ADMITTEDLY HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!

"i'll admit i don't know anything about your goalie prospects."
-rangerdanger94

gotcha...thats fine...but it was 2009

FYI, the islanders equivalent to the penguins 2009 is in 2015.

ill make the proper comparisons then
- LetsGoIsles

basically what i'm trying to say is that the 09 pens had Crosby - Malkin - Staal down the middle with Fleury in net. that's the best player in the world, the 2nd best player in the world, a number 1 center on half the teams in the NHL, and a top 5 goalie in the world.

to think that the 2015 isles roster will have players comparable to that is a stretch. JT is the only player that can be compared to Crosby or Malkin...and Malkin > JT. that means the pens 2nd line center is better than your best player on the team!!!

that's why the pens won the cup in 09 and sped their rebuild up dramatically. to expect JT to overtake crosby as the best player in the world and have strome become the next Malkin within 2 years is a stretch.

i dont want anyone to jump on me when i dont respond for the next hour or so...im going to lunch, ill probably get 2 slices of pizza, throw on some hot peppers, a side order of fries and some coke...followed up with a nice little walk around midtown to digest

ok, even if nabby is done after next season, garth wouldnt make a trade for a significant goalie and have him sit on the bench for 1 or 2 years. right???
- LetsGoIsles

you make a trade for a goalie like Hackett like the Sabres and have him develop in the AHL for a couple years to prepare for Miller's departure.

And even though you hate history, the same exact things were said about Bailey and Okposo. Just switch the names.
- kencan98

By who? You're full of it. No one was over the moon for either player, especially Bailey. Most of us wanted Filatov and were thinking 'Josh who?'. Scouting reports were mixed at best on him. Okposo was big questionmark from Neil Smith. People started saying Iginla based only on race but no one thought he was going to be an elite player. A possible second line power forward was said.
Strome is seen as an elite talent who can be the 1B to Tavares' 1A. He's got tons more talent than either Bailey or Okposo. You're a total revisionist.

YOU ADMITTEDLY HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY!!!

"i'll admit i don't know anything about your goalie prospects."
-rangerdanger94
- LetsGoIsles

lol just cuz i don't know your 3 goalie prospect's life stories doesn't mean i have zero credibility.

cmon man i'm giving your team credit here when talking about your young guys like bailey finally developing and turning into legit players. it's just that nabakov is a great goalie and having him in the cage is the reason you guys finished 8th...the last playoff spot possible. if you guys didn't have him, you would be 10-12.