We brought in New York reinforcements

WB pens?? Warner Brothers Penguins?? Hmmmmmmm maybe Daffy Duck but to sure
- kasperrko

Do you not even know who the Pens AHL affiliate is?

even better, shows me that the islanders are at the same point where the penguins were at IE the playoffs, during their rebuild without even getting the 2 best players in the league during their rebuild.
- LetsGoIsles

So now you are comparing the 07 Pens to the 13 Isles?

really?

You guys should be basking in the glory of playoff hockey coming back to the old barn, not infighting. IF its not a troll.
- B2B76

I am pumped we are in the playoffs and happy that we finally get a chance to play for Lord Stanleys Cup. Unfortunately there are some who are not happy about that (kencan)

We brought in New York reinforcements
- kasperrko

we're just here for the show

had someone tell us there was some good entertainment going on here.

No the rebuilds are not even close to being similar. The Penguins used their picks. The Islanders didn't.

The Islanders were focused on the "cupboard". Even though you tried to prove otherwise, the Pens were not. They used later picks to fill the prospect pool without sacrificing the high first rounders. They used those to build the NHL club. We did not do that. We did the exact opposite.

The Pens are not "standard".

And yes, 2002 to 2009 is 8 years and no, the Pens had no cupboard at all when they made the Whitney pick in 2002. And no, they did not trade down to fill the cupboard (since it was bare...another great Islander saying). They made the pick.
- kencan98

i did not try to prove otherwise, i meant it from a "rebuilding" standing point.

my only point regarding this, and let me be clear so you dont deviate, is that it took the penguins 8 years to be significant and win the cup...islanders started to rebuild in 2008, since the penguins are your go-to team on how to rebuild a team, give them the same 8 years before you cut them down using a different time frame.

(was that quick enough?)

Do you not even know who the Pens AHL affiliate is?
- kencan98

Wilkes Barre yeah I know I was making a joke doofus. figured you can use some humor in your life

Why was the 5 pick not made?

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T JUST MAKE THE PICK AND DEVELOP THE PROSPECT.

Which was my original point that you were asking about.
- kencan98

Have you even considered that they met with all the players and interviewed each and studied each and simple didnt like what they saw from those players until they saw Bailey... So instead of reaching for Bailey at 5 they traded down, acquired 2 more picks and then took Bailey?

Schenn, Filatov, Wilson and Boedeker arent anything special to really complain about...

Oh man. I thought I drank too much this weekend and was hallucinating. But I woke up this morning and it's true, we're playing the Islanders.

keaner got his wish.

How has it been troll wise this weekend? I haven't backread any blogs...

Do you not even know who the Pens AHL affiliate is?
- kencan98

Wilkes Barre yeah I know I was making a joke doofus. figured you can use some humor in your life

i did not try to prove otherwise, i meant it from a "rebuilding" standing point.

my only point regarding this, and let me be clear so you dont deviate, is that it took the penguins 8 years to be significant and win the cup...islanders started to rebuild in 2008, since the penguins are your go-to team on how to rebuild a team, give them the same 8 years before you cut them down using a different time frame.

(was that quick enough?)
- LetsGoIsles

No it wasn't. Go back to your original post. My point was that the Pens used their picks, developed prospects and look where they are and how fast they did it.

You replied with "Yeah and 8 years of restocking the cupboard".

And I said NO, the cupboard was bare (Isles term) when they started in 2002. If you want to compare the 2002 Isles and the 2008 Isles, that's fair. The paths each team took were very different.

Have you even considered that they met with all the players and interviewed each and studied each and simple didnt like what they saw from those players until they saw Bailey... So instead of reaching for Bailey at 5 they traded down, acquired 2 more picks and then took Bailey?

Schenn, Filatov, Wilson and Boedeker arent anything special to really complain about...
- Bags502

the draft is a total crapshoot.

some get lucky (datsyuk, lundqvist, etc.) and some don't (al montoya, hugh jessiman, rick dipietro).

well when you look at it that way i guess.

the way i see it is that the 2 best players in the league helped speed up their rebuild dramatically. they went from a mediocre playoff team to the stanley cup champs in 2-3 seasons after ending their drought...while you guys are probably gonna stay as a playoff bubble team for the next 4-6 seasons.
- rangerdanger94

i guess time will tell...but i believe isles will be competing for a cup within 3 years. DEFINITELY not a bubble team for 4-6 years, thats a bit extreme and inaccurate but again, time will tell.

the draft is a total crapshoot.

some get lucky (datsyuk, lundqvist, etc.) and some don't (al montoya, hugh jessiman, rick dipietro).
- rangerdanger94

Absolutely...

Detroit gets lucky alot...

Have you even considered that they met with all the players and interviewed each and studied each and simple didnt like what they saw from those players until they saw Bailey... So instead of reaching for Bailey at 5 they traded down, acquired 2 more picks and then took Bailey?

Schenn, Filatov, Wilson and Boedeker arent anything special to really complain about...
- Bags502

I agree that those players aren't very special although, even now, I'd take Schenn on the blue line over Bailey on the second line all day long.

Even still, you can't blame them if they just sit at 5 and make the pick of a player who is actually somewhat close to being ranked #5. They didn't do that.

we're just here for the show

had someone tell us there was some good entertainment going on here.
- rangerdanger94

Someone else told me,

i guess time will tell...but i believe isles will be competing for a cup within 3 years. DEFINITELY not a bubble team for 4-6 years, thats a bit extreme and inaccurate but again, time will tell.
- LetsGoIsles

Who is our goalie that takes over after Nabby leaves?

Unfortunately we are a bubble team, if that, if we don't get a long term solution in net pretty quickly. From what I've seen, we don't have one in our system. That may turn but as of right now, I don't see it.

i guess time will tell...but i believe isles will be competing for a cup within 3 years. DEFINITELY not a bubble team for 4-6 years, thats a bit extreme and inaccurate but again, time will tell.
- LetsGoIsles

time will tell for sure but you guys are in the playoffs right now because nabakov has been great for you this year, on top of your scoring obviously. but i feel that nabakov has really given your team some confidence to make plays and has won you guys some games.

will he still be at that level in 3 years for you guys to compete? what if he just falls off the map next season...do you guys even make the playoffs then?

No it wasn't. Go back to your original post. My point was that the Pens used their picks, developed prospects and look where they are and how fast they did it.

You replied with "Yeah and 8 years of restocking the cupboard".

And I said NO, the cupboard was bare (Isles term) when they started in 2002. If you want to compare the 2002 Isles and the 2008 Isles, that's fair. The paths each team took were very different.
- kencan98

both teams were "bare" when their respective rebuilds began...pens in 02...isles in 08.

isles used their picks as well, not exactly the same way the pens did, but there is no handbook.

to your point of "look where they are and how fast they did it", THATS my point...let the islanders GET TO THAT POINT before you knock them for not on the penguins level...its only been 5 years....they have 3 more years to be where the penguins are/were in 2009. wait for it!

I am pumped we are in the playoffs and happy that we finally get a chance to play for Lord Stanleys Cup. Unfortunately there are some who are not happy about that (kencan)
- kasperrko

I'm very happy about it. I'm also very realistic about it and I'm hoping the team has learned from it's mistakes and don't repeat them.

I don't think that's too much to ask. Of course, I'm insulted by others for thinking that way but it is what it is.

both teams were "bare" when their respective rebuilds began...pens in 02...isles in 08.

isles used their picks as well, not exactly the same way the pens did, but there is no handbook.

to your point of "look where they are and how fast they did it", THATS my point...let the islanders GET TO THAT POINT before you knock them for not on the penguins level...its only been 5 years....they have 3 more years to be where the penguins are/were in 2009. wait for it!
- LetsGoIsles

you really can't compare Pitt to NYI rebuilds. Pitt can only be compared to Edm's rebuild.

if you guys drafted 2 or 3 more 1st overalls to go with JT, only then could your rebuild be compared with theirs.

I agree that those players aren't very special although, even now, I'd take Schenn on the blue line over Bailey on the second line all day long.

Even still, you can't blame them if they just sit at 5 and make the pick of a player who is actually somewhat close to being ranked #5. They didn't do that.
- kencan98

But they didnt like anyone at 5 so they did the right thing.... Acquired more picks, moved down and drafted the guy they liked and wanted... You cannot blame them for that. Now if they took Bailey at 5 then that would support your argument more but they didnt.

time will tell for sure but you guys are in the playoffs right now because nabakov has been great for you this year, on top of your scoring obviously. but i feel that nabakov has really given your team some confidence to make plays and has won you guys some games.

will he still be at that level in 3 years for you guys to compete? what if he just falls off the map next season...do you guys even make the playoffs then?
- rangerdanger94

No. Not even close. But I think to most that's pretty obvious.

What are they supposed to say?

The agent represents him. If you have an attorney that goes into court and defends you, you can't then turn around and say "But I never personally said it so it means nothing".The NHL point production means a lot.

The camp invite and the playoffs mean a lot as well. If they came out and said "The kids a problem in the locker room and we don't want him around", the PR person should be fired that day. The same thing with Nino and the trade. If he's approached and says "Hell yea, this place blows. I want out" no team in the league will even look his way.
- kencan98

Terrible comparison. Agents request trades all the time, especially if they're empty gestures trying to get a result.. The bigger problem was that it got out into the public, which seems to have been strategically leaked as well. Both Nino and Snow said they discussed things and everything was fine. End of story.

Point production doesn't mean anything given the role he was asked to fill. Reasoner has one goal over nearly a season and a half. ONE GOAL. Pandawful was just plain awful and stunk just as bad. Neither of them should be anywhere near NHL ice at this point, yet we stuck projected first line player on their wing for 4 minutes a night and you consider him a failure bacause he didn't put up top five pick numbers.

The bottom line was this was a communication issue and once Snow and Nino talked, everything was fine...take this from Newsday:
Islanders general manager Garth Snow received an email from Andre Rufener, the Switzerland-based agent for Nino Niederreiter, asking that Snow try and trade the Isles’ top pick in the 2010 NHL draft…

Rufener sent Snow the email last week, during the Islanders’ six-day training camp prior to the start of the current, 48-game season, voicing his displeasure with the team’s handling of his client. The next day, Snow, along with his coaches from the Islanders and in Bridgeport, sat down with Niederreiter after the scrimmage between the Islanders and the Sound Tigers and discussed why Niederreiter did not get an invite to the NHL camp.

So essentially, Nino felt that the team didn't want him around and was upset, expressed it to his agent, who tried to get results. Whether the agent went rogue or not is pointless at this stage since Nino was fine once the plan was discussed with him.

both teams were "bare" when their respective rebuilds began...pens in 02...isles in 08.

isles used their picks as well, not exactly the same way the pens did, but there is no handbook.

to your point of "look where they are and how fast they did it", THATS my point...let the islanders GET TO THAT POINT before you knock them for not on the penguins level...its only been 5 years....they have 3 more years to be where the penguins are/were in 2009. wait for it!
- LetsGoIsles

I remember back in 2001 or 02 Pittsburgh regularly sent out Billy (convict) Tibbets for regular shifts, he was far from they're worst player too.

Cubbard was bare there, they have gotten lucky twicw with franchise trophy picks(gifts)