Again, yellow faces because you are afraid to admit you are wrong.

When did they make a pick and develop a prospect?

Never.

Done.
- kencan98

Strome, Palfy(since you're going back), Reinhardt, Hamonic, Who cares? That's what you don't GET! Very few people are even disagreeing with SOME of what you're saying!

Actually it's just on these blogs. Not everywhere else.
- kencan98

What about those other blogs you are'nt allowed to post on anymore?

I'm just answering the questions made by others. Since everything I say is based on pure facts and on the history of the team, no one can really deny anything I'm saying. Most of them either run off (cupboard boy) or insult and use faces (the cpt guy).

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm just answering.

Someone who requests a trade, isn't invited to camp and isn't invited to join the team during playoffs is a problem. Add in the NHL production and (if you have eyes) you can see clearly he's an issue.
- kencan98

The problem is nobody is asking?

I judge by what I read. You may be out of luck.
- kencan98

doesn't work well when you lack comprehensive skills and a basic knowledge of hockey.

Actually "decade+" was your term, I just repeated it. If you want to count him, whatever. It's soon-to-be 13 drafts ago but, whatever floats your boat. That said, in 2008, the Islanders had the #9 overall pick and used it on Josh Bailey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NHL_Entry_Draft
- jmatchett383

And what else did I say that you repeated.

Wasn't it something like "Just use the 5 pick, make the pick and develop the prospect"?

Bailey and Nino were exactly what I was talking about. In 2008 they traded the pick. In 2010 they picked a guy who was NOT a top 5 pick and rushed him.

Just use the pick and develop the prospect.

If you go back a decade or more it's even clearer. They never make the right pick and haven't in a very long time. Again, look at 2003 for an example.

doesn't work well when you lack comprehensive skills and a basic knowledge of hockey.
- keaner17

He knows everything about the Islanders but he does not have them listed as his favorite team or anything. I am thinking we have a Ranger troll or possibly a Leaf fan

doesn't work well when you lack comprehensive skills and a basic knowledge of hockey.
- keaner17

When you can't argue the facts, insult.

MSNBC is hiring. You should apply.

I'm just answering the questions made by others. Since everything I say is based on pure facts and on the history of the team, no one can really deny anything I'm saying. Most of them either run off (cupboard boy) or insult and use faces (the cpt guy).

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm just answering.

Someone who requests a trade, isn't invited to camp and isn't invited to join the team during playoffs is a problem. Add in the NHL production and (if you have eyes) you can see clearly he's an issue.
- kencan98

im still waiting for a response!!!


oh and by the way....

He knows everything about the Islanders but he does not have them listed as his favorite team or anything. I am thinking we have a Ranger troll or possibly a Leaf fan
- kasperrko

Not everything but quite a bit.

The Ranger fans are exactly the same as Islander fans. The "wait till next year" is on July 1 for Ranger fans. It's at the draft for Islander fans.

He knows everything about the Islanders but he does not have them listed as his favorite team or anything. I am thinking we have a Ranger troll or possibly a Leaf fan
- kasperrko

I'm just answering the questions made by others. Since everything I say is based on pure facts and on the history of the team, no one can really deny anything I'm saying. Most of them either run off (cupboard boy) or insult and use faces (the cpt guy).

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm just answering.

Someone who requests a trade, isn't invited to camp and isn't invited to join the team during playoffs is a problem. Add in the NHL production and (if you have eyes) you can see clearly he's an issue.
- kencan98

If you approach that issle looking for a problem then certainly you can use the ends to justify the means. Nino himself has never publically commented about the trade request which was made by his agent. He even scoffed at the notion a bit when approached. He wasn't invited to camp, which I think was an insult, but because they had committed to him playing in the A for the entire year. The NHL point production MEANS NOTHING given the circumstances. As for not being invited up now, he requested to play at the Worlds and the team granted that request knowing it's better for his continued development then watching games from a press box with no hope of getting actual experience.

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- LetsGoIsles

No facts, insult. That's the ticket.

When you tell me who was on the WB pens in 2002 that won the cup with the Pens I'll answer whatever other questions you have.

Keep googling until you find NOTHING.

No facts, insult. That's the ticket.

When you tell me who was on the WB pens in 2002 that won the cup with the Pens I'll answer whatever other questions you have.

Keep googling until you find NOTHING.
- kencan98

FROM PAGE 12 AT 12:01PM....

"hahahaha....youre ignoring whats hitting you in the face....

the penguins rebuild began in 2002, in 06/07 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, in 2009 (8 years later (the correct answer was "yes")) they won the cup.

since they seem to be the standard...

islanders rebuild began in 2008, in 2012/13 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years....you seem how these rebuilds are actually kinda similar. the islanders are EXACTLY where the penguins were 6 years into their rebuild.

i cant judge a team based off another team when the results are final."

- B2B76

Not you I bet you guys could even knock some sense into this guy

When you can't argue the facts, insult.

MSNBC is hiring. You should apply.
- kencan98

You can't stay on point long enough to provide solid facts! Talking to you is like playing the shell game. Your self adoration is sort of sad. You think Robert Nilsen = Strome or Josh Bailey....that's about all it takes to realize your a bit of a novice.

If you approach that issle looking for a problem then certainly you can use the ends to justify the means. Nino himself has never publically commented about the trade request which was made by his agent. He even scoffed at the notion a bit when approached. He wasn't invited to camp, which I think was an insult, but because they had committed to him playing in the A for the entire year. The NHL point production MEANS NOTHING given the circumstances. As for not being invited up now, he requested to play at the Worlds and the team granted that request knowing it's better for his continued development then watching games from a press box with no hope of getting actual experience.
- keaner17

What are they supposed to say?

The agent represents him. If you have an attorney that goes into court and defends you, you can't then turn around and say "But I never personally said it so it means nothing".

The NHL point production means a lot.

The camp invite and the playoffs mean a lot as well. If they came out and said "The kids a problem in the locker room and we don't want him around", the PR person should be fired that day. The same thing with Nino and the trade. If he's approached and says "Hell yea, this place blows. I want out" no team in the league will even look his way.

No facts, insult. That's the ticket.

When you tell me who was on the WB pens in 2002 that won the cup with the Pens I'll answer whatever other questions you have.

Keep googling until you find NOTHING.
- kencan98

WB pens?? Warner Brothers Penguins?? Hmmmmmmm maybe Daffy Duck but to sure

Look although this is entertaining and killed my entire morning here at work... This is a argument us, sane Islanders fans arent going to win because he just simply will keep going...

Each player drafted by any team, requires different treatment and different development... There is no such thing as just throw that player in the mold and poof 2-3 years later here is your bonafide NHL Star/Player.

Look at Moulson... Grabner.... You can even throw Bailey in this argument. Each were dealt with entirely different by not just the Islanders but each team that drafted the player... Some need more time. Some need different surroundings and different systems to suit them... JT, Crosby, Malkin, these players were ready at 17-18 yrs old and are the exception.

Bailey's development MAYBE should of been handled differently but at the time he was a better player then some of the current Islanders on the roster... so he played in the NHL... It probably delayed his development but by no means is he a bad player. (2nd half of the yr he has been the best player along with Okposo and Nabby)

You guys should stop bickering over this history of bad drafting (in some people's opinion) or poor development (in other people's opinions) and talk about whats going on now... Cuz i'm pretty sure the playoffs start tonight and the Isles have a pretty important game/series starting tomorrow.

And what else did I say that you repeated.

Wasn't it something like "Just use the 5 pick, make the pick and develop the prospect"?

Bailey and Nino were exactly what I was talking about. In 2008 they traded the pick. In 2010 they picked a guy who was NOT a top 5 pick and rushed him.

Just use the pick and develop the prospect.

If you go back a decade or more it's even clearer. They never make the right pick and haven't in a very long time. Again, look at 2003 for an example.
- kencan98

Get it through your head: Bailey was not a top-5 pick, he was #9.

Also, Nino was not "rushed." He played 2 full seasons of WHL hockey before being an Islanders player (minus his 9-game tryout in 2010).

As for 2003, look at some of the picks the other teams made ahead of you: Zherdev (4) and Jessiman (11). Nilsson was a bad pick, but again, he wasn't rushed (spent 2 more years in SEL). But yes, they could have picked better in 2003, you're right there.

But look at a team like Edmonton. They make great picks with top-end talent (Eberle was a 22nd overall, I think) and they've had a longer playoff drought than the Islanders have. So why aren't they a more dominant team?

Not you I bet you guys could even knock some sense into this guy
- kasperrko

You guys should be basking in the glory of playoff hockey coming back to the old barn, not infighting. IF its not a troll.

FROM PAGE 12 AT 12:01PM....

"hahahaha....youre ignoring whats hitting you in the face....

the penguins rebuild began in 2002, in 06/07 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, in 2009 (8 years later (the correct answer was "yes")) they won the cup.

since they seem to be the standard...

islanders rebuild began in 2008, in 2012/13 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years....you seem how these rebuilds are actually kinda similar. the islanders are EXACTLY where the penguins were 6 years into their rebuild.

i cant judge a team based off another team when the results are final."
- LetsGoIsles

well not exactly where they're at. the penguins did happen to draft the 2 best players in the league during their rebuild along with a franchise goalie.

12:01PM....

hahahaha....youre ignoring whats hitting you in the face....

the penguins rebuild began in 2002, in 06/07 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, in 2009 (8 years later (the correct answer was "yes")) they won the cup.

since they seem to be the standard...

islanders rebuild began in 2008, in 2012/13 they made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years....you seem how these rebuilds are actually kinda similar. the islanders are EXACTLY where the penguins were 6 years into their rebuild.

i cant judge a team based off another team when the results are final.
- LetsGoIsles

No the rebuilds are not even close to being similar. The Penguins used their picks. The Islanders didn't.

The Islanders were focused on the "cupboard". Even though you tried to prove otherwise, the Pens were not. They used later picks to fill the prospect pool without sacrificing the high first rounders. They used those to build the NHL club. We did not do that. We did the exact opposite.

The Pens are not "standard".

And yes, 2002 to 2009 is 8 years and no, the Pens had no cupboard at all when they made the Whitney pick in 2002. And no, they did not trade down to fill the cupboard (since it was bare...another great Islander saying). They made the pick.

well not exactly where they're at. the penguins did happen to draft the 2 best players in the league during their rebuild along with a franchise goalie.
- rangerdanger94

even better, shows me that the islanders are at the same point where the penguins were at IE the playoffs, during their rebuild without even getting the 2 best players in the league during their rebuild.

Get it through your head: Bailey was not a top-5 pick, he was #9.

- jmatchett383

Why was the 5 pick not made?

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T JUST MAKE THE PICK AND DEVELOP THE PROSPECT.

Which was my original point that you were asking about.

even better, shows me that the islanders are at the same point where the penguins were at IE the playoffs, during their rebuild without even getting the 2 best players in the league during their rebuild.
- LetsGoIsles

well when you look at it that way i guess.

the way i see it is that the 2 best players in the league helped speed up their rebuild dramatically. they went from a mediocre playoff team to the stanley cup champs in 2-3 seasons after ending their drought...while you guys are probably gonna stay as a playoff bubble team for the next 4-6 seasons.