No one else does see it. Read the posts above.
- kencan98

No..what people disagree with is marginalizing the contributions of the other players because frankly our first line hasn't been that good over the last few weeks. It's the secondary scoring that's kept this team afloat. Any team is the sum of it's parts and any franchise player is just that. You're not telling anyone anything that surprises.

I'm not here to be liked. I'm here so that next year when (if...hopefully not) Snow brings up Strome and he doesn't live up to his expectations, I can call out the people who then turn around and say "See, I said all along the guy needs to be developed more."

And Ranger fans are exactly the same as Islander fans. The only difference is the date when the "wait till next year" starts. For Ranger fans it's July 1. For Islander fans it's the draft.
- kencan98

start making a list and call me out!!!

just asterisk it and say that i want strome to be the 2nd line center not on JTs wing.

Secondary scoring couldn't be replaced. JT and Nabby couldn't be.

It's not hard to find a guy who will put up 15 to 20 points over a 48 game season playing second line minutes. However it is hard to find a goalie who will keep you in almost every game you play. It's also not every day you come across one of the best players in the league to center your first line.
- kencan98

i feel like im talking to a wall... if you lose your goalie and your star player you will usually struggle...the reason the isles were able to make that next step was because of the balence they were able to finally get.. but what the hell do i know

Hey, I'm answering all your posts. How about the Pens 8 year cupboard thing you said?

Care to back that up at all or did you just throw it out there and hope it stuck?
- kencan98

i was getting up to it you jerk off!!! read above

Those are the only two that can't be replaced.

The same can be said about almost any other team. Take out Hank and the Rangers aren't in the playoffs. Take out Holtby and the Caps are out. Take out Anderson and the Sens are out. It's a team effort but there are parts of a team that cannot be replaced. For us that's JT and Nabby.
- kencan98

Sorr buddy if everyone on the team is doing there job then the team makes the playoffs. As we know there is no "I" in team. Without the role players doing what they do forget it no team will make it.

If Hank was not on the Rangers and everyone else was playing the way they should fulfilling the roles , you can put DP back in net and the team can make the playoffs. It is all bout the TEAM not any individual player it is the TEAM

hey buddy, you just said from 02-06 they drafted top 5, 2 years later they were competing for the cup, next year they won it..

im just commenting off of what YOU said...dont knock me for your comments... but you cant argue that the penguins "rebuild" begin in "02" (in your words)....than it took them 8 years to win the cup...correct? its simple math, im not looking for an argument.

do you agree that from 02-09 was 8 years??
- LetsGoIsles

Hey Buddy. You said "and 8 years of restocking the cupboard" and you are wrong. In 2002 they PICKED (4th or 5th overall) Ryan Whitney. At that point they had no "cupboard". They did NOT trade down 4 spots to fill the "cupboard". They PICKED.

2003, Fleury. No cupboard trades.

2004, Malkin. No cupboard trades.

2005, Sid. No cupboard trades.

2006, Staal. Still no cupboard filling.

2007, lost in round 1.

2008, lost in finals.

2009, won cup.


I think I got that almost right.

Is this guy married?? IF so he should be arguing with her if not he needs a woman ASAP so that he can get a life!

No one else does see it. Read the posts above.
- kencan98

You are so freaking obtuse.

No..what people disagree with is marginalizing the contributions of the other players because frankly our first line hasn't been that good over the last few weeks. It's the secondary scoring that's kept this team afloat. Any team is the sum of it's parts and any franchise player is just that. You're not telling anyone anything that surprises.
- keaner17

The first post was made by "LetsGoIsles" (the cupboard guy) and he asked how we got to the playoffs and who brought us there.

The answer to that question is Nabby and JT. Those are the only two pieces to the puzzle that would have made us an instant lottery team if we were without them. Losing Okposo or Grabner doesn't bring us from 8th to last. Losing Nabby or JT does.

Is this guy married?? IF so he should be arguing with her if not he needs a woman ASAP so that he can get a life!
- kasperrko

Not that it matters but I am actually married. 15 years this September. This is what I do at work when I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

Hey Buddy. You said "and 8 years of restocking the cupboard" and you are wrong. In 2002 they PICKED (4th or 5th overall) Ryan Whitney. At that point they had no "cupboard". They did NOT trade down 4 spots to fill the "cupboard". They PICKED.

2003, Fleury. No cupboard trades.

2004, Malkin. No cupboard trades.

2005, Sid. No cupboard trades.

2006, Staal. Still no cupboard filling.

2007, lost in round 1.

2008, lost in finals.

2009, won cup.


I think I got that almost right.
- kencan98

is the draft only one round these days?? you make it seem like round 2-7 don't mean anything

Not that it matters but I am actually married. 15 years this September. This is what I do at work when I'm bored and have nothing better to do.
- kencan98

you need a job that keeps you more busy

Sorr buddy if everyone on the team is doing there job then the team makes the playoffs. As we know there is no "I" in team. Without the role players doing what they do forget it no team will make it.

If Hank was not on the Rangers and everyone else was playing the way they should fulfilling the roles , you can put DP back in net and the team can make the playoffs. It is all bout the TEAM not any individual player it is the TEAM
- kasperrko

Any honest person who watches the game knows that this is completely untrue. If you put a goalie on the Rangers ice that lets up 4 goals a game they are a lottery team.

We are talking about the Islanders, then we aren't. We are talking about Snow, then we aren't. Lets pick one and stick with it.

Since 2006, ONE of the Islanders first round picks turned out as expected. Of those players, all of the ones on the current roster and those who have played a significant amount of games on the roster, have NOT turned out as expected besides one.

My point is that in order to turn that around you need to change something. The one thing in common that all of those players have is that they were all prematurely put into the NHL. And that's what needs to be stopped.
- kencan98

Okay, let's stick to the Islanders top-5 picks of the last decade+, which was your original point. Since 2001, which of those Islanders top-5 picks were put into the NHL prematurely?

is the draft only one round these days?? you make it seem like round 2-7 don't mean anything
- NYI78

They do mean something. They mean something when you make your first round pick for your NHL team and you "cupboard fill" with your later rounds.

Hey Buddy. You said "and 8 years of restocking the cupboard" and you are wrong. In 2002 they PICKED (4th or 5th overall) Ryan Whitney. At that point they had no "cupboard". They did NOT trade down 4 spots to fill the "cupboard". They PICKED.

2003, Fleury. No cupboard trades.

2004, Malkin. No cupboard trades.

2005, Sid. No cupboard trades.

2006, Staal. Still no cupboard filling.

2007, lost in round 1.

2008, lost in finals.

2009, won cup.


I think I got that almost right.
- kencan98

you didnt answer the question...was 02-09 8 years??????

a simple "yes" or "no" will do

is the draft only one round these days?? you make it seem like round 2-7 don't mean anything
- NYI78

I dont even know what his argument is any more.. it keeps changing.. the pens draft, boyes is god, the 93 Isles, lafontaine in 83, cuban missile crisis, milbury's drafts, snow's drafts, boyes is god, Jt & Nabby are the whole team.... am I missing anything?


XxNYIxX

Any honest person who watches the game knows that this is completely untrue. If you put a goalie on the Rangers ice that lets up 4 goals a game they are a lottery team.
- kencan98

True but if your defense is doing what they need to do and doing well that called goalie will not be giving up 4 goals a game

See my point. you dont understand that is why you are a laughingstock on this board

Hey, I'm answering all your posts. How about the Pens 8 year cupboard thing you said?

Care to back that up at all or did you just throw it out there and hope it stuck?
- kencan98

2002 - Whitney (#5)
2003 - Fluery (#1)
2004 - Malkin (#2)
2005 - Crosby (#1)
2006 - Staal (#2)
2007 - Esposito (#20)
2008 - Traded 29th pick and Esposito + for Hossa and Dupuis -- Lost in Cup Finals
2009 - Won Cup

There is your Pens "cupboard" of draft picks...

Okay, let's stick to the Islanders top-5 picks of the last decade+, which was your original point. Since 2001, which of those Islanders top-5 picks were put into the NHL prematurely?
- jmatchett383

I'm not going through this for a tenth time. We can't talk about 2001. According to some around here it's Snow only. Then that changes to Snow plus other teams. Then it's Islanders from 2007 and forward and other teams in the 70's. Then it's every team in the 70's. Then they finally realize that they are just wrong and call me names.

I dont even know what his argument is any more.. it keeps changing.. the pens draft, boyes is god, the 93 Isles, lafontaine in 83, cuban missile crisis, milbury's drafts, snow's drafts, boyes is god, Jt & Nabby are the whole team.... am I missing anything?


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

i don't even know i want to hurt myself

you need a job that keeps you more busy
- NYI78

Any honest person who watches the game knows that this is completely untrue. If you put a goalie on the Rangers ice that lets up 4 goals a game they are a lottery team.
- kencan98

If you put a 4 goal a game goalie on ANY team... even the Pens.... chances are Lottery


XxNYIxX

The first post was made by "LetsGoIsles" (the cupboard guy) and he asked how we got to the playoffs and who brought us there.

The answer to that question is Nabby and JT. Those are the only two pieces to the puzzle that would have made us an instant lottery team if we were without them. Losing Okposo or Grabner doesn't bring us from 8th to last. Losing Nabby or JT does.
- kencan98

Yet their contributions still helped us get here. Jt's importance to the team doesn't mean that Bailey and Okposo's contributions were expendable. It's amazing you can't quite understand that.

I dont even know what his argument is any more.. it keeps changing.. the pens draft, boyes is god, the 93 Isles, lafontaine in 83, cuban missile crisis, milbury's drafts, snow's drafts, boyes is god, Jt & Nabby are the whole team.... am I missing anything?


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Kencan will let you know