if the goalies were flipped, would the gap be closer then 8 points between the two teams?
- homiedclown

I dont think so this year.

Lundqvist wasn't his usual self this year.

Nash is better than Vanek, just not by the miles you guys (some of you guys) think he is. That's all I'm saying.
- Homer

No one said by miles. I certainly don't think by miles. When Vanek is hot, I would take him over Nash. Over an 82 game season. I would take Nash 100 out of 100 times.

I dont think so this year.

Lundqvist wasn't his usual self this year.
- Homer

(second best career GAA, second best career save percentage)

Nope, he was slightly off this year.

(second best career GAA, second best career save percentage)

Nope, he was slightly off this year.
- theblueandgold

they play so much better in their own zone than we do.....

I'm trying to defend Miller here ans youre still picking a fight.

Level 1 - Crosby
Level 2 - Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin, Sedin's, Toews
Level 3 - Kane, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Getzlaf, St Louis, Giroux, Kopitar, Nash
Level 4 - Gaborik, Carter, Vanek, Kessel

(although THIS year, I'd bump Kessel up a level)

Sound right?
- theblueandgold

Saw that the other day. Good evaluation.

Level 1 - Crosby
Level 2 - Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin, Sedin's, Toews
Level 3 - Kane, Hossa, Kovalchuk, Getzlaf, St Louis, Giroux, Kopitar, Nash
Level 4 - Gaborik, Carter, Vanek, Kessel

(although THIS year, I'd bump Kessel up a level)

Sound right?
- theblueandgold

Yea. Agreed. Although I would put Perry up there too though

I dont think so this year.

Lundqvist wasn't his usual self this year.
- Homer

Second lowest gga and second highest sv% of his career this year.

they play so much better in their own zone than we do.....

I'm trying to defend Miller here ans youre still picking a fight.
- Homer

Best debates on this site this season

1. Miller
2. Vanek
3. Myers
4. Ott or Roy

Yea. Agreed. Although I would put Perry up there too though
- sbroads24

I didnt include everybody, obviously.

Second lowest gga and second highest sv% of his career this year.
- dadeadhead

what I'm trying to say is I dont think Miller's numbers would have looked much worse (than Lundqvusts) if he was on NYR and Lundqvist much better (than Millers) if he was on Buffalo.

they play so much better in their own zone than we do.....

I'm trying to defend Miller here ans youre still picking a fight.
- Homer

I dont disagree that the team in front of the goalie have a direct impact on the goalies output. Miller had nothing to do with that statement.

Statistically, he had the 2nd best season of his career. I'm not quite sure why you thought he wasnt his "usual self" this year, since he was actually better than his usual self.

what I'm trying to say is I dont think Miller's numbers would have looked much worse (than Lundqvusts) if he was on NYR and Lundqvist much better (than Millers) if he was on Buffalo.
- Homer

Agreed.

Sooooo,...... are you saying Miller is in fact a top 5 goalie in the league, or are you saying Lundqvist isnt as good as he appears?

Second lowest gga and second highest sv% of his career this year.
- dadeadhead

dd, for some reason it really bothers me that you put "gga" can you please start using "gaa"?

what I'm trying to say is I dont think Miller's numbers would have looked much worse (than Lundqvusts) if he was on NYR and Lundqvist much better (than Millers) if he was on Buffalo.
- Homer

You and I agree to disagree on that one in a big way.

dd, for some reason it really bothers me that you put "gga" can you please start using "gaa"?


- theblueandgold

Nope cause it bothers you.

Best debates on this site this season

1. Miller
2. Vanek
3. Myers
4. Ott or Roy
- sbroads24

I'm surprised we've gotten as far into the current debate without any timeouts.

Nope cause it bothers you.
- dadeadhead

Expected that response

I'm surprised we've gotten as far into the current debate without any timeouts.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Some of the newbies have problems .

Some of the newbies have problems .
- cabin

They need to reede more post less.

Nope cause it bothers you.
- dadeadhead

Vanek is a PGG player

Some of the newbies have problems .
- cabin

How long til your not considered a newbie? Until your first ban?

Some of the newbies have problems .
- cabin

They confuse opinions with facts. It's really annoying.

Vanek is a PGG player
- sbroads24

Twice in 8 years.

How long til your not considered a newbie? Until your first ban?
- sbroads24

If you have to ask, you're still a newbie....

Twice in 8 years.
- dadeadhead

Sad thing is, with his size he should be in the same category as Perry or Nash, yet he's more in the Kessel Carter category