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sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:00 PM ET
Why not Streit? That guy has the kind of offensive skills on the back end that the Oilers could really use. Plus he's a pro who has worked his way up to the NHL toiling in the Swiss leagues and then flourished on Long Island despite their dearth of talent and crap management. Seems like a perfect fit for an Oiler team trying to improve their break out and PP.
- micah555

Oilers are 7th in the NHL on the PP. Not an issue. Breakout needs work no doubt, but the biggest issue by far on Edmonton's D is lack of physicality and bad own zone play. Streit does nothing to address either and may even make the problem worse.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:02 PM ET
To be honest, that's too much.
- bloatedmosquito

Agreed. I'd love Weber but that's a move that kills us capwise, in net and in the future. Realistically though, thats what it would take. probably more.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:05 PM ET
Agreed. I'd love Weber but that's a move that kills us capwise, in net and in the future. Realistically though, thats what it would take. probably more.
- sanfordnson


Nashville looks stupid (more than they already do) unless they get the equivalent of 4 first round picks, so yeah. But I agree, it would be stupid to pay that for Weber.
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Apr 27 @ 3:23 PM ET
Agreed. I'd love Weber but that's a move that kills us capwise, in net and in the future. Realistically though, thats what it would take. probably more.
- sanfordnson

Not to mention that Weber is not the Same Weber without Suter.

Its Bizarre to say this, But Suter was the one that made that Pairing good. Not Weber.

Suter without Weber = Awesome

Weber Without Suter = Not a mess, Just not the same.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:25 PM ET
Not to mention that Weber is not the Same Weber without Suter.

Its Bizarre to say this, But Suter was the one that made that Pairing good. Not Weber.

Suter without Weber = Awesome

Weber Without Suter = Not a mess, Just not the same.

- vancity787

Frankly, I don't know that either is the same outside of that pairing.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:49 PM ET
To be honest, that's too much.
- bloatedmosquito


I would agree personally. But something like that is what it'll take to get the deal done and EDM are desperate for a #1 D
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:52 PM ET
Frankly, I don't know that either is the same outside of that pairing.
- sanfordnson


Suter is in the Norris discussion having been paired with rookie (Brodin) for most of the season. I know we'd never be able to get an exact comparison, but in terms of who I'd like on my team (all things being equal) Suter is the one I'd pick.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
I would agree personally. But something like that is what it'll take to get the deal done and EDM are desperate for a #1 D
- AlexF

I think Soupy would be a cheaper option tradewise. Cap hit is ugly sure, but only for 3 more years.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
Suter is in the Norris discussion having been paired with rookie (Brodin) for most of the season. I know we'd never be able to get an exact comparison, but in terms of who I'd like on my team (all things being equal) Suter is the one I'd pick.
- AlexF

Agreed.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Apr 27 @ 3:55 PM ET
Frankly, I don't know that either is the same outside of that pairing.
- sanfordnson


Honestly, it's too early to tell that, this isn't exactly a normal year by any stretch of the imagination. After next season when they've had a full year and full training camp to be completely comfortable and no compressed schedule playing only in-conference games will tell the tale.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 27 @ 3:57 PM ET
I think Soupy would be a cheaper option tradewise. Cap hit is ugly sure, but only for 3 more years.
- sanfordnson


Not the same impact though. I was trying to think of how to get you guys closer to cup contender than simply playoff contender. As a #1 D Campbell gets you in the latter category at best.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 4:05 PM ET
Not the same impact though. I was trying to think of how to get you guys closer to cup contender than simply playoff contender. As a #1 D Campbell gets you in the latter category at best.
- AlexF

But doesn't eviscerate the team to get, and would be a good guy to have around for upcoming prospects like klefbom, Gernat and Marincin. I have no illusions. we won't get a premier name dman without giving up so much that it essentially cripples the team.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 27 @ 4:46 PM ET
But doesn't eviscerate the team to get, and would be a good guy to have around for upcoming prospects like klefbom, Gernat and Marincin. I have no illusions. we won't get a premier name dman without giving up so much that it essentially cripples the team.
- sanfordnson


Losing Yaks, Smid, and 2 1sts (a #7 and possibly later one next year) will not cripple this team even remotely from a playing perspective. It'll improve it when it's Weber that's coming back. From a cap perspective however, that's another story.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 4:58 PM ET
Hamhuis, Edler and Garrison all out, as well as D. Sedin and Burrows. Lines are:

Higgins/Roy/Kesler
Raymond/Lapiere/Hansen
Sestito/Ebbett/Kassian
Weise/Sedin/Pinizzotto

Not sure of the pairings but its

Ballard/Bieksa
Alberts/Corrado
Barker/Joslin
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:02 PM ET
Joey Kenward is off his game today.

"The Stanley Cup Finals begin in a couple of days"

"Tonight marks the fourth and final meeting of the season with each team winning twice"
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:11 PM ET
Losing Yaks, Smid, and 2 1sts (a #7 and possibly later one next year) will not cripple this team even remotely from a playing perspective. It'll improve it when it's Weber that's coming back. From a cap perspective however, that's another story.
- AlexF

Part of this is, imo, Yakupov is going to be a killer. Smid yeah whatevs Weber replaces him tenfold. The 1sts? Believe it or not, we actually don't have great depth at forward in the system. Our best forward draftees are already in the NHL. Guys like Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, etc. have not played to expectations. not busts but not exactly promising.

But like I said, I've developed a mancrush on Yakupov this year. I think I may like him more than Eberle.

EDIT: and I didn't say that particular deal crippled the team. I said any deal in which we acquire Weber cripples the team, as I am certain Nashville would demand at least two of RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov plus two 1sts in return. If Weber stays static in his play next year, the price would go down. Confluence of years on monster contract+stagnation or decline in play=cheaper acquisition price. As of right now though, the asking price for Weber would be essentially unmeetable for almost any team.
Mattjd123
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 10.01.2009

Apr 27 @ 5:19 PM ET
Part of this is, imo, Yakupov is going to be a killer. Smid yeah whatevs Weber replaces him tenfold. The 1sts? Believe it or not, we actually don't have great depth at forward in the system. Our best forward draftees are already in the NHL. Guys like Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, etc. have not played to expectations. not busts but not exactly promising.

But like I said, I've developed a mancrush on Yakupov this year. I think I may like him more than Eberle.

EDIT: and I didn't say that particular deal crippled the team. I said any deal in which we acquire Weber cripples the team, as I am certain Nashville would demand at least two of RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov plus two 1sts in return. If Weber stays static in his play next year, the price would go down. Confluence of years on monster contract+stagnation or decline in play=cheaper acquisition price. As of right now though, the asking price for Weber would be essentially unmeetable for almost any team.

- sanfordnson


What was the clincher?

Him on his knees against the Kings?


sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:23 PM ET
What was the clincher?

Him on his knees against the Kings?



- Mattjd123

Couple things. Watching him hit more and more as the year went on. Watching him backcheck even during games where the Oilers were being embarrassed. Watching him getting right into the middle of netscrums...and watching him kiss the Oilers crest after scoring a goal. Call it cheesy if you want, but this kid is extremely easy to like. I think (and this is purely my opinion fwiw) that he's just scratched the surface of his talent this year.
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 27 @ 5:23 PM ET
Part of this is, imo, Yakupov is going to be a killer. Smid yeah whatevs Weber replaces him tenfold. The 1sts? Believe it or not, we actually don't have great depth at forward in the system. Our best forward draftees are already in the NHL. Guys like Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, etc. have not played to expectations. not busts but not exactly promising.

But like I said, I've developed a mancrush on Yakupov this year. I think I may like him more than Eberle.

EDIT: and I didn't say that particular deal crippled the team. I said any deal in which we acquire Weber cripples the team, as I am certain Nashville would demand at least two of RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov plus two 1sts in return. If Weber stays static in his play next year, the price would go down. Confluence of years on monster contract+stagnation or decline in play=cheaper acquisition price. As of right now though, the asking price for Weber would be essentially unmeetable for almost any team.

- sanfordnson


Throwing in Eberle instead of Yaks might suffice to keep the deal alive. NSH need offense in a serious way but they would never get 2 #1 picks already in the NHL for Weber. With Weber's monster contract he's simply not worth that much. But I do think it's highly unlikely NSH deal Weber.

Personally I think Weber is a bit overrated anyway as people keep throwing him the "best D on the planet" moniker. I like Kesler but don't think he's topping the league in offensive ability, and he blew the Suter/Weber pairing away in the playoffs 2 years ago.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:26 PM ET
Throwing in Eberle instead of Yaks might suffice to keep the deal alive. NSH need offense in a serious way but they would never get 2 #1 picks already in the NHL for Weber. With Weber's monster contract he's simply not worth that much. But I do think it's highly unlikely NSH deal Weber.

Personally I think Weber is a bit overrated anyway as people keep throwing him the "best D on the planet" moniker. I like Kesler but don't think he's topping the league in offensive ability, and he blew the Suter/Weber pairing away in the playoffs 2 years ago.

- AlexF

Wtf happened to Kesler after that series? He was a (frank)in one man army and then....always confused me.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
Throwing in Eberle instead of Yaks might suffice to keep the deal alive. NSH need offense in a serious way but they would never get 2 #1 picks already in the NHL for Weber. With Weber's monster contract he's simply not worth that much. But I do think it's highly unlikely NSH deal Weber.

Personally I think Weber is a bit overrated anyway as people keep throwing him the "best D on the planet" moniker. I like Kesler but don't think he's topping the league in offensive ability, and he blew the Suter/Weber pairing away in the playoffs 2 years ago.

- AlexF

So just for discussions sake, what do you think it would take to get Byfuglien? and as another thought, how much gas does Gonchar have left in the tank?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 5:54 PM ET
So just for discussions sake, what do you think it would take to get Byfuglien? and as another thought, how much gas does Gonchar have left in the tank?
- sanfordnson


Buff is pretty valuable, I would expect the jets would want a quality NHL player and a quality prospect or high pick in return. Gonchar might have enough on a contender, but for a team coming up you should pass.
Mattjd123
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 10.01.2009

Apr 27 @ 6:10 PM ET
Wtf happened to Kesler after that series? He was a (frank)in one man army and then....always confused me.
- sanfordnson


Tore his hip in game 5 against the sharks.

Sedins took over the WCF two years ago.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Apr 27 @ 6:15 PM ET
Buff is pretty valuable, I would expect the jets would want a quality NHL player and a quality prospect or high pick in return. Gonchar might have enough on a contender, but for a team coming up you should pass.
- 1970vintage

Gagner + 2013 1st for Buff?
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Apr 27 @ 7:06 PM ET
it's gonna be reaally sad when EDM loses 4-0 to the Chicago Wolves tonight
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