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if the plan was to wait for gags growing pains and development and then immediately deal him in favour of an 18 year old...all i could do is laugh at our pitiful organization.. just terrible.
if we want to draft barkov..id be good with that. (rather trade the pick) but gagner is still our 2 next year.

with nuge injured, could u imagine goin into opening day with
horcoff
barkov
lander
belanger7???
- hugefemale dog77

Another genius decision by management- ?? WHy the (frank) did they wait so long to get Nuge surgery- right after the 5 game slide when playoffs were realistically out- why didnt he go immediately??

Another genius decision by management- ?? WHy the (frank) did they wait so long to get Nuge surgery- right after the 5 game slide when playoffs were realistically out- why didnt he go immediately??
- saskoil21

Cause they were hoping his arm would fall off and they get the insurance.

I'd be curious to see if Lindy Ruff could do a better job.
- Reveen

Well I am not sure about that either as many stated that he was hard on kids in Buffalo for whatever reason- fans claim he inhibited Vanek and his offensive production- I am not sure- may be true... One thing for certain is I know MacT would have flourished during his time as a coach with the speed and tools he has now... In my mind I could see MacT watching over Kreuger very closely and may consider doing both should they faulter mid season.

Damn I missed the fugging thread again.

My question about Barkov: for a team that's concious about making immediate improvements (by getting bigger), do we want to go the route of trading Gagner and replacing him with an 18 year old? With any luck, a guy like Barkov becomes a true powerforward, but he may just end up like a Martin Hanzal type: good, but not worth waiting 6 years for. Why not just trade Gagner for Hanzal if we're both intent on getting better now and swapping Gags for size?
- Morris

Gags, N. Schultz 1st 2013, 3rd 2013, for Hanzal and Yandle.

streets ahead
- Reveen

So it's ok to throw Barkov right into top six minutes, but it was a mistake to do the same with Nuge, Hall and Yak.
- Reveen

Yes, Barkov has a well developed all around game. So does Hall. It was a mistake with Yakupov, Nuge and Eberle.

Another genius decision by management- ?? WHy the (frank) did they wait so long to get Nuge surgery- right after the 5 game slide when playoffs were realistically out- why didnt he go immediately??
- saskoil21

Because Nuge didn't want the surgery.

Yes, Barkov has a well developed all around game. So does Hall. It was a mistake with Yakupov, Nuge and Eberle.
- DoubleDionn

http://www.urbandictionar...ne.php?term=Double%20Dion

Yes, Barkov has a well developed all around game. So does Hall. It was a mistake with Yakupov, Nuge and Eberle.
- DoubleDionn

Nuge was a Calder finalist, Eberle was 16th in scoring last year and Yakupov hasn't missed a shift this season and has more hits than any Edmonton top 6er. What gives?

Because Nuge didn't want the surgery.
- Lahey

Well did he know what he had wrong with him? Did he not talk to Hall or? Or multiple doctors? I am surrprised he did not know what the recovery time is- unless he really believed that they could turn the ship around and make the playoffs- I mean for someone so smart on the ice- he was either not informed, a wussy or not that smart off ice...

Gags, N. Schultz 1st 2013, 3rd 2013, for Hanzal and Yandle.
- BigDre

If that is not enough- let PHX (frank) themselves...

Well did he know what he had wrong with him? Did he not talk to Hall or? Or multiple doctors? I am surrprised he did not know what the recovery time is- unless he really believed that they could turn the ship around and make the playoffs- I mean for someone so smart on the ice- he was either not informed, a wussy or not that smart off ice...
- saskoil21

He's been hurt since Junior he was trying to get a big pay day this summer like Eberle and Hall hence why it put off the surgery.

Just a suggestion

Hall - Nuge - Eberle

Paajarvi - Barkov/Monahan/Gagner - Yakupov

Hartikainen - Lander - Hemsky (if not traded...or still injured...or injured again)

Petrell - Smithson - Brown

Lucky for us, since we have a few high quality LW prospects, if Petrell isn't resigned after this season we could replace him with possibly Khaira or Zharvov maybe?


J. Schultz - Klefbom

Petry - Smid

Gernat/Musil?? - veteran acquired elsewhere somehow?

I don't really know about the last defensive line though. What do you guys think?

Nuge was a Calder finalist, Eberle was 16th in scoring last year and Yakupov hasn't missed a shift this season and has more hits than any Edmonton top 6er. What gives?
- Morris

I thought I was clear. They either can't play physically (Nuge) or can't play defense. You win in this league with 200 foot players, not 90 foot players. You guys have one 200 foot star in Hall. I like Horcoff, Jones and MPS as complementary pieces. The rest of the roster has holes. You don't win with guys like Eberle and Yakupov. Look at the top teams, they have elite/good players that play 200 feet. The Hawks, Kings, Bruins and Pens are all great examples of this. The Pens are cup favorites because they have the talent AND play 200 feet now. The Kings won doing this with way less offensive talent than most other contenders. The Oilers brass and fans haven't learned this yet. I think MacT will make the necessary changes finally. A selke type guy should know how important a 200 foot game is to success.

I thought I was clear. They either can't play physically (Nuge) or can't play defense. You win in this league with 200 foot players, not 90 foot players. You guys have one 200 foot star in Hall. I like Horcoff, Jones and MPS as complementary pieces. The rest of the roster has holes. You don't win with guys like Eberle and Yakupov. Look at the top teams, they have elite/good players that play 200 feet. The Hawks, Kings, Bruins and Pens are all great examples of this. The Pens are cup favorites because they have the talent AND play 200 feet now. The Kings won doing this with way less offensive talent than most other contenders. The Oilers brass and fans haven't learned this yet. I think MacT will make the necessary changes finally. A selke type guy should know how important a 200 foot game is to success.
- DoubleDionn

Stamkos can't play 200 ft, does Tavares? Sisters in Vancouver?

I thought I was clear. They either can't play physically (Nuge) or can't play defense. You win in this league with 200 foot players, not 90 foot players. You guys have one 200 foot star in Hall. I like Horcoff, Jones and MPS as complementary pieces. The rest of the roster has holes. You don't win with guys like Eberle and Yakupov. Look at the top teams, they have elite/good players that play 200 feet. The Hawks, Kings, Bruins and Pens are all great examples of this. The Pens are cup favorites because they have the talent AND play 200 feet now. The Kings won doing this with way less offensive talent than most other contenders. The Oilers brass and fans haven't learned this yet. I think MacT will make the necessary changes finally. A selke type guy should know how important a 200 foot game is to success.
- DoubleDionn

You just went on a tangent.

The conversation was about Nuge, Ebs and Yakupov being ready, not what it takes to win. Our spot in the standings should indicate we've got a long way to go. I wonder if it has anything to do with Nuge, Ebs and Yaks being 20, 22 and 20 respectively. Nuge looks like he can become a Datsyuk-lite (emphasis on the "lite"). In fact, he's looked better and better defensively. What they are not yet is not an argument for having rushed them, is it?

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if the plan was to wait for gags growing pains and development and then immediately deal him in favour of an 18 year old...all i could do is laugh at our pitiful organization.. just terrible.
if we want to draft barkov..id be good with that. (rather trade the pick) but gagner is still our 2 next year.

with nuge injured, could u imagine goin into opening day with
horcoff
barkov
lander
belanger7???
- hugefemale dog77

Barkov is also injured. Out with a shoulder injury. Not sure he'd be ready for the start of the season either?

Gags, N. Schultz 1st 2013, 3rd 2013, for Hanzal and Yandle.
- BigDre

Love it.I think Coyotes would want a bit more sweetener though, like Gernat/Musil and maybe a so-so prospect like Pitlick.
I would do that, try to trade Hemsky for either a banging Right winger with experience or draft picks.Another energy guy on the cheap on the cheap for the 4th line (cColby Armstrong?). That would change the dynamic enough for me.
I think another 3rd line winger would help, let Horcoff be that guy to fill in any spot as a utility forward for a few years until Lander is ready.
Hall-Nuge-Ebs
MPS-Hanzal-Yak
Harti -New 3rd line C- New banging Winger
Armstrong-Lander-Brown.

Yandle -Smid
Pertry -j.Schultz
N.Schultz-Klefbom

Dubnyk
Random Finnish backup

That would do it for me. I like Nick Schults in a mentorship role if we have to play Klefbom.Armstrong is a bandaid, but Smyth will play the 30 odd games he's hurt.Horc can cover every other injury and play Landers 4th line role when everyone is healthy.

Might be enough to improve this team to an 8th place finish.

Stamkos can't play 200 ft, does Tavares? Sisters in Vancouver?
- Lahey

Patrick Kane, Evgeni Malkin, Marchand and Seguin are all pretty unremarkable in the D zone (they, like our guys are of course still developping)

Just a suggestion

Hall - Nuge - Eberle

Paajarvi - Barkov/Monahan/Gagner - Yakupov

Hartikainen - Lander - Hemsky (if not traded...or still injured...or injured again)

Petrell - Smithson - Brown


J. Schultz - Klefbom

Petry - Smid

Gernat/Musil?? - veteran acquired elsewhere somehow?

I don't really know about the last defensive line though. What do you guys think?
- mbxiphos1527

Miss the playoffs again... not an upgrade to what we have now.

Stamkos can't play 200 ft, does Tavares? Sisters in Vancouver?
- Lahey

How have the Lightning done in the Stamkos era? Tavares HAS committed to defensive play this year for the first time in his career and he is getting mention, albeit not as the favorite, for the Heart trophy. The Sedins are average defensively, but Kesler, Burrows, Hansen and Higgins all play in their top 6 and are above average defensively with Kesler being an elite defensive player.

Barkov is also injured. Out with a shoulder injury. Not sure he'd be ready for the start of the season either?
- Iggysbff

Sounds like he'd fit right in. The 'Edmonton Torn Labrums Stemming From Year Two of Junior'

Patrick Kane, Evgeni Malkin, Marchand and Seguin are all pretty unremarkable in the D zone (they, like our guys are of course still developping)
- Morris

Marchand does bring that female genitalia eliminate though, agree on the rest.

Well Kane's mullet probably scares people too

Love it.I think Coyotes would want a bit more sweetener though, like Gernat/Musil and maybe a so-so prospect like Pitlick.
I would do that, try to trade Hemsky for either a banging Right winger with experience or draft picks.Another energy guy on the cheap on the cheap for the 4th line (cColby Armstrong?). That would change the dynamic enough for me.
I think another 3rd line winger would help, let Horcoff be that guy to fill in any spot as a utility forward for a few years until Lander is ready.
Hall-Nuge-Ebs
MPS-Hanzal-Yak
Harti -New 3rd line C- New banging Winger
Armstrong-Lander-Brown.

Yandle -Smid
Pertry -j.Schultz
N.Schultz-Klefbom

Dubnyk
Random Finnish backup

That would do it for me. I like Nick Schults in a mentorship role if we have to play Klefbom.Armstrong is a bandaid, but Smyth will play the 30 odd games he's hurt.Horc can cover every other injury and play Landers 4th line role when everyone is healthy.

Might be enough to improve this team to an 8th place finish.
- Jeropotato

I like it. Hanzal, Zajac, Tlusty and maybe Cullen are solid 2nd centers I would be okay to target

Just a suggestion

Hall - Nuge - Eberle

Paajarvi - Barkov/Monahan/Gagner - Yakupov

Hartikainen - Lander - Hemsky (if not traded...or still injured...or injured again)

Petrell - Smithson - Brown

Lucky for us, since we have a few high quality LW prospects, if Petrell isn't resigned after this season we could replace him with possibly Khaira or Zharvov maybe?


J. Schultz - Klefbom

Petry - Smid

Gernat/Musil?? - veteran acquired elsewhere somehow?

I don't really know about the last defensive line though. What do you guys think?
- mbxiphos1527

Doesn't fix the real problem. Which is secondary scoring, and toughness.