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theblueandgold
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Denzel, WA
Joined: 03.05.2009

Apr 23 @ 11:42 PM ET
LOL. All I know is that we win more games with Vanek than with baby giraffe Myers.

All in good fun.

Vanek = PPG player. Not that many of those guys skating around. True Story.

- RynoBull





In 2 of his 8 seasons. 1 every 4 years.

He also goes scoreless, on average 42% of games played in a season.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 23 @ 11:50 PM ET
PPG in a season were he plays less than 40 games. I know I hate on Vanek a lot, but he's frustrating to watch when he goes from all world player to Houdini every year. The guy has top 10 NHL talent but leaves a lot on the table
- sbroads24


And now that we're starting to see these back issues re-occur its just gonna get worse...
He HAS to be traded!
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Apr 23 @ 11:55 PM ET
And now that we're starting to see these back issues re-occur its just gonna get worse...
He HAS to be traded!

- jdfitz77


Can we at least honour the fact that he earned his 250th career goal tonight before we rip him to shreds
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 24 @ 12:04 AM ET
Can we at least honour the fact that he earned his 250th career goal tonight before we rip him to shreds
- Sabresfan-365


Who's ripping him?
He's really good... But it still makes sense to trade him!
1- Miller is gone, Vanek won't wanna stay
2- even if he did wanna be here.... Why would I sign a guy who gets banged up every year w/ back issues to a HUGE $$$ deal till he's 38 years old?
3- we can get a TON back for him

It's just not a good idea to keep him around
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 24 @ 12:05 AM ET


In 2 of his 8 seasons. 1 every 4 years.

He also goes scoreless, on average 42% of games played in a season.

- theblueandgold

2013- 26th
2011-2012- 54th
2010-2011- 17th
2009-2010- 80th
2008-2009- 51st
2007-2008- 52nd

In the last 6 years our highest paid forward has been in the top 50 in the league in scoring only 2x. Never in the top 10. If we are going to be a contender we need someone who can be a real difference maker.
CaptainRivet
Buffalo Sabres
Location: on Bored, NY
Joined: 12.26.2008

Apr 24 @ 12:11 AM ET
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Apr 24 @ 12:18 AM ET
2013- 26th
2011-2012- 54th
2010-2011- 17th
2009-2010- 80th
2008-2009- 51st
2007-2008- 52nd

In the last 6 years our highest paid forward has been in the top 50 in the league in scoring only 2x. Never in the top 10. If we are going to be a contender we need someone who can be a real difference maker.

- sbroads24


http://www.ontariohockeyl...for-connor-mcdavid/119258

I'm okay with them screwing up this years draft and next years so long as it means getting him in 2015.
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Apr 24 @ 1:27 AM ET
Garth, what's the latest on Grigorenko?
rsj2588
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.18.2012

Apr 24 @ 1:56 AM ET
Who's ripping him?
He's really good... But it still makes sense to trade him!
1- Miller is gone, Vanek won't wanna stay
2- even if he did wanna be here.... Why would I sign a guy who gets banged up every year w/ back issues to a HUGE $$$ deal till he's 38 years old?
3- we can get a TON back for him

It's just not a good idea to keep him around

- jdfitz77



Cool just cover one end of the equation. People around here assume that the Sabres as an organization are in full rebuild mode but everything that I have seen since the trade deadline doesn't point in that direction.

I actually would have been down for a tank THIS season but we are obviously beyond that. (Although we still have a lottery pick, we could end up picking better than we finish)

I think the Sabres see this as a re-tool situation. They need a veteran player to mentor the younger people. Its not like we are anywhere close to being pressed against the cap, we can afford to re-sign Vanek. He explicitly said that he would like to stay in Buffalo if we were headed toward a re-tool, but not if we were talking about a long-term rebuild.

In all seriousness people here are too cynical. Sure, propose long term misery in the HOPES that the sabres turn out like the Penguins and NOT the Oilers (yes I know their story isn't over yet.. but its long overdue if they are ever becoming great again). Either direction is a gamble, you have to mitigate risk. We need a mixture of proven talent and up and coming players, what is so idiotic about that?
rsj2588
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.18.2012

Apr 24 @ 1:58 AM ET
P.S. Hope Pominville is all good, wonder what the motivation was for this dirty elbow...


homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 24 @ 6:33 AM ET

- CaptainRivet



poop stirrer
RynoBull
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BFLO
Joined: 02.13.2007

Apr 24 @ 7:01 AM ET
2013- 26th
2011-2012- 54th
2010-2011- 17th
2009-2010- 80th
2008-2009- 51st
2007-2008- 52nd

In the last 6 years our highest paid forward has been in the top 50 in the league in scoring only 2x. Never in the top 10. If we are going to be a contender we need someone who can be a real difference maker.

- sbroads24


I won't disagree with that. We need a top 15-10 scoring guy.

I just assume its Myers Fault

EDIT: Vanek is top 10 in goals scored this year.
RynoBull
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BFLO
Joined: 02.13.2007

Apr 24 @ 7:06 AM ET
Cool just cover one end of the equation. People around here assume that the Sabres as an organization are in full rebuild mode but everything that I have seen since the trade deadline doesn't point in that direction.

I actually would have been down for a tank THIS season but we are obviously beyond that. (Although we still have a lottery pick, we could end up picking better than we finish)

I think the Sabres see this as a re-tool situation. They need a veteran player to mentor the younger people. Its not like we are anywhere close to being pressed against the cap, we can afford to re-sign Vanek. He explicitly said that he would like to stay in Buffalo if we were headed toward a re-tool, but not if we were talking about a long-term rebuild.

In all seriousness people here are too cynical. Sure, propose long term misery in the HOPES that the sabres turn out like the Penguins and NOT the Oilers (yes I know their story isn't over yet.. but its long overdue if they are ever becoming great again). Either direction is a gamble, you have to mitigate risk. We need a mixture of proven talent and up and coming players, what is so idiotic about that?

- rsj2588


Vanek stays. Stafford Stays. Miller goes. Myers Falls.
BaltimoreSabresFan
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.23.2007

Apr 24 @ 7:22 AM ET
Dear Mr. Pegula,

Keep Miller -- top goalie
Keep Vanek -- top scorer
Add Rick Dudley and Patrick Roy, GM and coach
Fire Darcy Regier ASAP

ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Apr 24 @ 7:29 AM ET
Dear Mr. Pegula,

Keep Miller -- top goalie
Keep Vanek -- top scorer
Add Rick Dudley and Patrick Roy, GM and coach
Fire Darcy Regier ASAP


- BaltimoreSabresFan


So we are going to be the same team next year and have to live this crap all over again?
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 24 @ 7:33 AM ET
Trade Miller, not because he sucks, no because he is good and the Sabres need more help than just retaining him. Let the 3 Kids fight to become the No. 1 in net. Resign Vanek for mentoring and for some scoring ability, he outperforms everyone else on the team by a long mile. Cut Stafford as it would be Addition by Subtraction. Can't stand watching him go wide on boards to cut late to the net then shoot into goaltender who deflects in into corner for his D-man to pick up, meanwhile Stafford circles behind the net for a quick exit to the bench...go play your guitar loser-boy. Trade your 2 No 1s this year for 1-3 and go get Mckinon (sp?) Or Drouin!
toddkac
Joined: 11.21.2009

Apr 24 @ 7:46 AM ET
Dear Mr. Pegula,

Keep Miller -- top goalie
Keep Vanek -- top scorer
Add Rick Dudley and Patrick Roy, GM and coach
Fire Darcy Regier ASAP


- BaltimoreSabresFan

New Assets > Miller
RynoBull
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BFLO
Joined: 02.13.2007

Apr 24 @ 7:49 AM ET


In 2 of his 8 seasons. 1 every 4 years.

He also goes scoreless, on average 42% of games played in a season.

- theblueandgold



I will check 'fact' this for you

EDIT: For your reading pleaseure:

http://www.diebytheblade....-how-good-is-thomas-vanek
buffalo 1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 8:35 AM ET


In 2 of his 8 seasons. 1 every 4 years.

He also goes scoreless, on average 42% of games played in a season.

- theblueandgold

buffalo 1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 8:36 AM ET
New Assets > Miller
- toddkac

buffalo 1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 8:36 AM ET
Vanek stays. Stafford Stays. Miller goes. Myers Falls.
- RynoBull

Tsyolin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: @TsyolinSounds, Rochester, NY
Joined: 02.19.2013

Apr 24 @ 8:39 AM ET
Dear Mr. Pegula,

Keep Miller -- top goalie
Keep Vanek -- top scorer
Add Rick Dudley and Patrick Roy, GM and coach
Fire Darcy Regier ASAP


- BaltimoreSabresFan


I don't have any issues with keeping Vanek if we can get a good price that's worth paying, otherwise I'd ship him out. Miller just can't stay, I like him a lot but he just can't stay here anymore.
buffalo 1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 8:42 AM ET
Worst case senerio for the fans.Nothing major gets done with the Big 2 contracts over the summer and this drags into a final season for them.
buffalo 1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 24 @ 8:45 AM ET
I don't have any issues with keeping Vanek if we can get a good price that's worth paying, otherwise I'd ship him out. Miller just can't stay, I like him a lot but he just can't stay here anymore.
- Tsyolin

Vaneks the only real hint of a superstar that we have on this team.Dont much like him but if we lose him theres no one to replace him on this roster.Agree on Miller and im all for taking a chance on some new blood in goal.We couldnt win enough with Miller why keep him.
JoeSabre
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 24 @ 8:54 AM ET
And now that we're starting to see these back issues re-occur its just gonna get worse...
He HAS to be traded!

- jdfitz77

Your an idiot... the man scores 35 - 40 goals every year..plays hurt and yet you think he slacks off.... get a grip.
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